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RE: Hypothetical Future Expansion: The Case for Colorado State over Boise State
(02-15-2022 05:54 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 06:54 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 02:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(02-11-2022 06:32 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Somebody must (erroneously) believe that Colorado State is somehow an attractive add. Based on what? They would be a horrible add. Middling (or worse) football and basketball for decades and no big fan following. Let’s wait till OU and Texas depart and then re-evaluate. USF and Memphis are arguably reasonable candidates, but Boise and Colorado State. Hell no.

1. Memphis
2. South Florida
3. SMU
4. Temple
5. East Carolina

MWC schools shouldn’t even be considered.
I'm struggling to see what value anyone sees in South Florida? Maybe 10-15 years ago. But that athletic department offers nothing currently and appears to be headed backwards in all sports that matter. And not just no, but hell no to Temple and East Carolina.

There are only about five or six programs that should even be considered at this point IMO.

My order would be:

1. Memphis
2. Boise State
3. San Diego State
4. The best of what remains in a pool of mediocrity.
Boise St had a nice run, and it may continue, but just don't see them fitting the profile long term of what the B12 is trying to build. Memphis hands down is #1 on this list. I think USF will also get in once they get their issues in order and start getting back to some level of success and building a fan base organically. Beyond that it's a crab shoot. Do they want to go way west to SDSU? Too far? Breaking into California recruiting and TV market probably isn't a bad thing but it means adding more late night games unfortunately. Will already get plenty of those with BYU.

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Boise State fits what the Big 12 is trying to build far better that South Florida does. The Big 12's brand going forward will be built around competition, and USF is a net negative in all sports that matter. I think it's interesting that so many view them as a target. That program adds nothing to this league.

And westward expansion makes sense for the same reason it made sense to add a couple more eastern teams in this most recent round. We have BYU in this league and they need some geographic partners to help regionalize the league for them. They're basically the new West Virginia, and that's a tough spot to be in.
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RE: Hypothetical Future Expansion: The Case for Colorado State over Boise State
(02-15-2022 11:52 AM)bear2be2 Wrote:  
(02-15-2022 05:54 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 06:54 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 02:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(02-11-2022 06:32 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Somebody must (erroneously) believe that Colorado State is somehow an attractive add. Based on what? They would be a horrible add. Middling (or worse) football and basketball for decades and no big fan following. Let’s wait till OU and Texas depart and then re-evaluate. USF and Memphis are arguably reasonable candidates, but Boise and Colorado State. Hell no.

1. Memphis
2. South Florida
3. SMU
4. Temple
5. East Carolina

MWC schools shouldn’t even be considered.
I'm struggling to see what value anyone sees in South Florida? Maybe 10-15 years ago. But that athletic department offers nothing currently and appears to be headed backwards in all sports that matter. And not just no, but hell no to Temple and East Carolina.

There are only about five or six programs that should even be considered at this point IMO.

My order would be:

1. Memphis
2. Boise State
3. San Diego State
4. The best of what remains in a pool of mediocrity.
Boise St had a nice run, and it may continue, but just don't see them fitting the profile long term of what the B12 is trying to build. Memphis hands down is #1 on this list. I think USF will also get in once they get their issues in order and start getting back to some level of success and building a fan base organically. Beyond that it's a crab shoot. Do they want to go way west to SDSU? Too far? Breaking into California recruiting and TV market probably isn't a bad thing but it means adding more late night games unfortunately. Will already get plenty of those with BYU.

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Boise State fits what the Big 12 is trying to build far better that South Florida does. The Big 12's brand going forward will be built around competition, and USF is a net negative in all sports that matter. I think it's interesting that so many view them as a target. That program adds nothing to this league.

And westward expansion makes sense for the same reason it made sense to add a couple more eastern teams in this most recent round. We Have BYU in this league and they need some geographic partners to help regionalize the league for them. They're basically the new West Virginia, and that's a tough spot to be in.
BYU will be fine without any regional partners. They have been an independent brand for the last decade plus and are already accustomed to the travel. UCF on the other hand could use some closer rivals.

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RE: Hypothetical Future Expansion: The Case for Colorado State over Boise State
(02-15-2022 08:52 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(02-15-2022 11:52 AM)bear2be2 Wrote:  
(02-15-2022 05:54 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 06:54 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 02:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  1. Memphis
2. South Florida
3. SMU
4. Temple
5. East Carolina

MWC schools shouldn’t even be considered.
I'm struggling to see what value anyone sees in South Florida? Maybe 10-15 years ago. But that athletic department offers nothing currently and appears to be headed backwards in all sports that matter. And not just no, but hell no to Temple and East Carolina.

There are only about five or six programs that should even be considered at this point IMO.

My order would be:

1. Memphis
2. Boise State
3. San Diego State
4. The best of what remains in a pool of mediocrity.
Boise St had a nice run, and it may continue, but just don't see them fitting the profile long term of what the B12 is trying to build. Memphis hands down is #1 on this list. I think USF will also get in once they get their issues in order and start getting back to some level of success and building a fan base organically. Beyond that it's a crab shoot. Do they want to go way west to SDSU? Too far? Breaking into California recruiting and TV market probably isn't a bad thing but it means adding more late night games unfortunately. Will already get plenty of those with BYU.

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Boise State fits what the Big 12 is trying to build far better that South Florida does. The Big 12's brand going forward will be built around competition, and USF is a net negative in all sports that matter. I think it's interesting that so many view them as a target. That program adds nothing to this league.

And westward expansion makes sense for the same reason it made sense to add a couple more eastern teams in this most recent round. We Have BYU in this league and they need some geographic partners to help regionalize the league for them. They're basically the new West Virginia, and that's a tough spot to be in.
BYU will be fine without any regional partners. They have been an independent brand for the last decade plus and are already accustomed to the travel. UCF on the other hand could use some closer rivals.

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We don’t need usf, and the next closest expansion candidate would be Memphis.
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RE: Hypothetical Future Expansion: The Case for Colorado State over Boise State
(02-15-2022 08:59 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(02-15-2022 08:52 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(02-15-2022 11:52 AM)bear2be2 Wrote:  
(02-15-2022 05:54 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 06:54 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  I'm struggling to see what value anyone sees in South Florida? Maybe 10-15 years ago. But that athletic department offers nothing currently and appears to be headed backwards in all sports that matter. And not just no, but hell no to Temple and East Carolina.

There are only about five or six programs that should even be considered at this point IMO.

My order would be:

1. Memphis
2. Boise State
3. San Diego State
4. The best of what remains in a pool of mediocrity.
Boise St had a nice run, and it may continue, but just don't see them fitting the profile long term of what the B12 is trying to build. Memphis hands down is #1 on this list. I think USF will also get in once they get their issues in order and start getting back to some level of success and building a fan base organically. Beyond that it's a crab shoot. Do they want to go way west to SDSU? Too far? Breaking into California recruiting and TV market probably isn't a bad thing but it means adding more late night games unfortunately. Will already get plenty of those with BYU.

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BYU will be fine without any regional partners. They have been an independent brand for the last decade plus and are already accustomed to the travel. UCF on the other hand could use some closer rivals.

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We don’t need usf, and the next closest expansion candidate would be Memphis.

I agree, outside of USF, UCF will have to fly wherever it goes. I am neither for nor against USF. Memphis is likely the only school that helps even a little bit. I don't see anyone else in the east, that would be on the short list. I kind of like the new B12 as it is, but Memphis and any western school would be ok with me.
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RE: Hypothetical Future Expansion: The Case for Colorado State over Boise State
(02-15-2022 11:52 AM)bear2be2 Wrote:  
(02-15-2022 05:54 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 06:54 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  
(02-12-2022 02:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(02-11-2022 06:32 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Somebody must (erroneously) believe that Colorado State is somehow an attractive add. Based on what? They would be a horrible add. Middling (or worse) football and basketball for decades and no big fan following. Let’s wait till OU and Texas depart and then re-evaluate. USF and Memphis are arguably reasonable candidates, but Boise and Colorado State. Hell no.

1. Memphis
2. South Florida
3. SMU
4. Temple
5. East Carolina

MWC schools shouldn’t even be considered.
I'm struggling to see what value anyone sees in South Florida? Maybe 10-15 years ago. But that athletic department offers nothing currently and appears to be headed backwards in all sports that matter. And not just no, but hell no to Temple and East Carolina.

There are only about five or six programs that should even be considered at this point IMO.

My order would be:

1. Memphis
2. Boise State
3. San Diego State
4. The best of what remains in a pool of mediocrity.
Boise St had a nice run, and it may continue, but just don't see them fitting the profile long term of what the B12 is trying to build. Memphis hands down is #1 on this list. I think USF will also get in once they get their issues in order and start getting back to some level of success and building a fan base organically. Beyond that it's a crab shoot. Do they want to go way west to SDSU? Too far? Breaking into California recruiting and TV market probably isn't a bad thing but it means adding more late night games unfortunately. Will already get plenty of those with BYU.

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Boise State fits what the Big 12 is trying to build far better that South Florida does. The Big 12's brand going forward will be built around competition, and USF is a net negative in all sports that matter. I think it's interesting that so many view them as a target. That program adds nothing to this league.

And westward expansion makes sense for the same reason it made sense to add a couple more eastern teams in this most recent round. We have BYU in this league and they need some geographic partners to help regionalize the league for them. They're basically the new West Virginia, and that's a tough spot to be in.

100% agree. Boise football is a brand that our other expansion options cannot match

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