(01-26-2022 01:11 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:51 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:47 AM)otown Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 08:34 AM)otown Wrote:  Interesting that overall rankings have UCF the top team in the new Big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma leave.

At #31 that doesn’t bode well for the new Big12

Not really, overall, conference is on par with PAC (6 sub 200 teams) and ACC (8 sub 200 teams) when you look at the entire conferences. Just means that UCF is in a prime position to drastically supercharge their recruiting if they are doing this still in the AAC. Current Big 12 has only 2 sub 200 teams.

How many PAC and ACC teams are higher than #31?
Remember what I keep saying the conferences are seen by their power teams.

So what’s 5he highest ranked team in each conference?

Lets not cloud the picture and tie recruiting rankings directly into which conferences are more powerful. In the end of the day, the Big 12 had many top 25 teams not named Texas and Oklahoma.

I was going to post the final poll as response since really the end goal is to be number 1 on that, but on another thread, others including Cuban were tired of Big 12 talk.

(01-26-2022 02:00 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:11 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:51 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:47 AM)otown Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  At #31 that doesn’t bode well for the new Big12

Not really, overall, conference is on par with PAC (6 sub 200 teams) and ACC (8 sub 200 teams) when you look at the entire conferences. Just means that UCF is in a prime position to drastically supercharge their recruiting if they are doing this still in the AAC. Current Big 12 has only 2 sub 200 teams.

How many PAC and ACC teams are higher than #31?
Remember what I keep saying the conferences are seen by their power teams.

So what’s 5he highest ranked team in each conference?

Lets not cloud the picture and tie recruiting rankings directly into which conferences are more powerful. In the end of the day, the Big 12 had many top 25 teams not named Texas and Oklahoma.

I was going to post the final poll as response since really the end goal is to be number 1 on that, but on another thread, others including Cuban were tired of Big 12 talk.

Hmm I was responding to another poster who brought up the Big12 first. See post#4. But I guess in your book anything praising the B12 on this board gets a pass, but anything that draws the opposite is attack time.

I responded to the poster and showed the data as some of you love to show data on others and didn’t make any comments, just left it at that.

Now relax and enjoy your last year in AAC and later on you don’t have to worry about this board any longer.

(01-26-2022 03:03 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:00 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:11 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:51 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:47 AM)otown Wrote:  Not really, overall, conference is on par with PAC (6 sub 200 teams) and ACC (8 sub 200 teams) when you look at the entire conferences. Just means that UCF is in a prime position to drastically supercharge their recruiting if they are doing this still in the AAC. Current Big 12 has only 2 sub 200 teams.

How many PAC and ACC teams are higher than #31?
Remember what I keep saying the conferences are seen by their power teams.

So what’s 5he highest ranked team in each conference?

Lets not cloud the picture and tie recruiting rankings directly into which conferences are more powerful. In the end of the day, the Big 12 had many top 25 teams not named Texas and Oklahoma.

I was going to post the final poll as response since really the end goal is to be number 1 on that, but on another thread, others including Cuban were tired of Big 12 talk.

Hmm I was responding to another poster who brought up the Big12 first. See post#4. But I guess in your book anything praising the B12 on this board gets a pass, but anything that draws the opposite is attack time.

I responded to the poster and showed the data as some of you love to show data on others and didn’t make any comments, just left it at that.

Now relax and enjoy your last year in AAC and later on you don’t have to worry about this board any longer.

Oh I can't wait. One last year of using TP before I rub my a$$ with money.

(01-26-2022 03:10 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 03:03 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:00 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:11 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:51 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  How many PAC and ACC teams are higher than #31?
Remember what I keep saying the conferences are seen by their power teams.

So what’s 5he highest ranked team in each conference?

Lets not cloud the picture and tie recruiting rankings directly into which conferences are more powerful. In the end of the day, the Big 12 had many top 25 teams not named Texas and Oklahoma.

I was going to post the final poll as response since really the end goal is to be number 1 on that, but on another thread, others including Cuban were tired of Big 12 talk.

Hmm I was responding to another poster who brought up the Big12 first. See post#4. But I guess in your book anything praising the B12 on this board gets a pass, but anything that draws the opposite is attack time.

I responded to the poster and showed the data as some of you love to show data on others and didn’t make any comments, just left it at that.

Now relax and enjoy your last year in AAC and later on you don’t have to worry about this board any longer.

Oh I can't wait. One last year of using TP before I rub my a$$ with money.

Be careful you don’t know where that money has been.

(01-26-2022 03:12 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 03:10 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 03:03 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:00 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:11 PM)otown Wrote:  Lets not cloud the picture and tie recruiting rankings directly into which conferences are more powerful. In the end of the day, the Big 12 had many top 25 teams not named Texas and Oklahoma.

I was going to post the final poll as response since really the end goal is to be number 1 on that, but on another thread, others including Cuban were tired of Big 12 talk.

Hmm I was responding to another poster who brought up the Big12 first. See post#4. But I guess in your book anything praising the B12 on this board gets a pass, but anything that draws the opposite is attack time.

I responded to the poster and showed the data as some of you love to show data on others and didn’t make any comments, just left it at that.

Now relax and enjoy your last year in AAC and later on you don’t have to worry about this board any longer.

Oh I can't wait. One last year of using TP before I rub my a$$ with money.

Be careful you don’t know where that money has been.

(01-26-2022 08:34 AM)otown Wrote:  Interesting that overall rankings have UCF the top team in the new Big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma leave.

Obviously, other teams in the Big 12 have been good (like Baylor, Okie State and others) but I think some of the recruiting attention that OU (rightfully gets most years) and UT (almost always overrated) zap a lot of recruiting service attention from the other schools.

While recruiting rankings can give a glimpse of potential...zero guarantee it works...as UT, UF, FSU, Miami and others have shown.

Outcome of actual games are still the most important part of success.

(01-26-2022 12:26 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  So here are the numbers for Power Conferences. Using overall recruiting rankings
Highest ranked School
SEC- Texas AM #1
BigTen- Ohio State #4
ACC- North Carolina #11
PAC- USC #12
Big12-UCF#31

Number of Schools in a Conference that finished higher than Big12 top school
SEC- 15- only Vanderbilt failed
BigTen- 6
ACC-4
PAC-4

Number of Five stars
SEC-20
BigTen 5
ACC-4
PAC-1
Big12-0

Number of Four stars
SEC- 174
BigTen-78
ACC-48
PAC-45
Big12-26

I can admit that you cant argue with those numbers. This is a recruiting thread, so good points.

(01-26-2022 12:26 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  So here are the numbers for Power Conferences. Using overall recruiting rankings
Highest ranked School
SEC- Texas AM #1
BigTen- Ohio State #4
ACC- North Carolina #11
PAC- USC #12
Big12-UCF#31

Number of Schools in a Conference that finished higher than Big12 top school
SEC- 15- only Vanderbilt failed
BigTen- 6
ACC-4
PAC-4

Number of Five stars
SEC-20
BigTen 5
ACC-4
PAC-1
Big12-0

Number of Four stars
SEC- 174
BigTen-78
ACC-48
PAC-45
Big12-26

No doubt recruiting is important but if you just look at last year's final rankings, the New Big 12 had THREE team in the Top 7:
#4 Cinci
#5 Baylor
#7 Oklahoma State

Also, BYU finished at #19.

It will be interesting to see what the new Big 12 does both on and off the field once the new 4 teams come in and OU and UT are out.

(01-27-2022 05:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No doubt recruiting is important but if you just look at last year's final rankings, the New Big 12 had THREE team in the Top 7:
#4 Cinci
#5 Baylor
#7 Oklahoma State

Also, BYU finished at #19.

It will be interesting to see what the new Big 12 does both on and off the field once the new 4 teams come in and OU and UT are out.

No they didn't. There would have been further losses had UC been in the B12 this past year. Either UC would have loss(es) to Baylor and/or Oklahoma St. or the other two would have add loss(es) to UC. Plus BYU may have upset one of the top 3. None of that didn't happen so it's a moot point.

(01-27-2022 05:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:26 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  So here are the numbers for Power Conferences. Using overall recruiting rankings
Highest ranked School
SEC- Texas AM #1
BigTen- Ohio State #4
ACC- North Carolina #11
PAC- USC #12
Big12-UCF#31

Number of Schools in a Conference that finished higher than Big12 top school
SEC- 15- only Vanderbilt failed
BigTen- 6
ACC-4
PAC-4

Number of Five stars
SEC-20
BigTen 5
ACC-4
PAC-1
Big12-0

Number of Four stars
SEC- 174
BigTen-78
ACC-48
PAC-45
Big12-26

No doubt recruiting is important but if you just look at last year's final rankings, the New Big 12 had THREE team in the Top 7:
#4 Cinci
#5 Baylor
#7 Oklahoma State

Also, BYU finished at #19.

It will be interesting to see what the new Big 12 does both on and off the field once the new 4 teams come in and OU and UT are out.

We will find out soon enough, but reality is that had UC and UH being in Big12 last year there would had wins or losses vs OKState and Baylor which would had dropped down the loser. Also not having OU and UT in the league would had meant that they couldn’t benefit from beating those teams.
As I said we will find out as soon as UT and OU leave the league. I think the recruiting rankings show once again what I stated in the other thread that the new Big12 lacks the big football name that others have.

It's not over until the fat lady sings.

On the other side it’s amazing to see how close the recruiting rankings are for MWC,AAC and SBC

Top three recruiting rankings in each conference

AAC- Memphis #60,USF # 67, UTSA #73
MWC- Boise #61, USU #74,SDSU #75
SBC- Marshall#68, USM #69, Ark St #70

Number of four stars and three stars recruits
AAC 0-159
MWC 2-145
SBC 0-156

Will be important for remaining AAC team and newcomers to improve in 2022 heading into 2023

(01-27-2022 09:19 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 05:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No doubt recruiting is important but if you just look at last year's final rankings, the New Big 12 had THREE team in the Top 7:
#4 Cinci
#5 Baylor
#7 Oklahoma State

Also, BYU finished at #19.

It will be interesting to see what the new Big 12 does both on and off the field once the new 4 teams come in and OU and UT are out.

No they didn't. There would have been further losses had UC been in the B12 this past year. Either UC would have loss(es) to Baylor and/or Oklahoma St. or the other two would have add loss(es) to UC. Plus BYU may have upset one of the top 3. None of that didn't happen so it's a moot point.

And maybe more wins by others....as top conf get multiple teams in the Top 20...as OU finished #10 too which put 3 current Big 12 Teams in the Top 10.

Point is...top teams always emerge...and in a solid new conf (especially if most do well in non-conf play), there will be even more games involving TOp 25 ranked teams...so more value for wins...and even some credit for "good losses".

(01-27-2022 11:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 09:19 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 05:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No doubt recruiting is important but if you just look at last year's final rankings, the New Big 12 had THREE team in the Top 7:
#4 Cinci
#5 Baylor
#7 Oklahoma State

Also, BYU finished at #19.

It will be interesting to see what the new Big 12 does both on and off the field once the new 4 teams come in and OU and UT are out.

No they didn't. There would have been further losses had UC been in the B12 this past year. Either UC would have loss(es) to Baylor and/or Oklahoma St. or the other two would have add loss(es) to UC. Plus BYU may have upset one of the top 3. None of that didn't happen so it's a moot point.

And maybe more wins by others....as top conf get multiple teams in the Top 20...as OU finished #10 too.

Point is...top teams always emerge...and in a solid new conf (especially if most do well in non-conf play), there will be even more games involving TOp 25 ranked teams...so more value for wins...and even some credit for "good losses".

Time will tell, the biggest problem the newBig12 faces is that just as the BigEast it doesn’t have a Big power football name to anchor the league and these recruiting rankings highlights that.

(01-27-2022 11:08 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 09:19 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 05:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No doubt recruiting is important but if you just look at last year's final rankings, the New Big 12 had THREE team in the Top 7:
#4 Cinci
#5 Baylor
#7 Oklahoma State

Also, BYU finished at #19.

It will be interesting to see what the new Big 12 does both on and off the field once the new 4 teams come in and OU and UT are out.

No they didn't. There would have been further losses had UC been in the B12 this past year. Either UC would have loss(es) to Baylor and/or Oklahoma St. or the other two would have add loss(es) to UC. Plus BYU may have upset one of the top 3. None of that didn't happen so it's a moot point.

And maybe more wins by others....as top conf get multiple teams in the Top 20...as OU finished #10 too.

Point is...top teams always emerge...and in a solid new conf (especially if most do well in non-conf play), there will be even more games involving TOp 25 ranked teams...so more value for wins...and even some credit for "good losses".

Time will tell, the biggest problem the newBig12 faces is that just as the BigEast it doesn’t have a Big power football name to anchor the league and these recruiting rankings highlights that.

Big East's biggest football program was much of it was located in the Northeast, plus, it was almost always invisible as it was the smallest BCS conf with just 8 teams.

Heck, on some Saturdays, there would be just one Big East Conf game (some teams would have byes, others played on Thur and Fri nights) so that provided not much value to ESPN.

Big 12 has football hungry institutions in football crazed states...so while they may not have an immediate "anchor"...there have plenty of teams that have finished in the Top 10-20 in recent years.

Also...Big 12 will remain the #1 Hoop Conf too...so thats another nice straw in their hat.

(01-27-2022 11:16 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:08 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 09:19 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 05:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No doubt recruiting is important but if you just look at last year's final rankings, the New Big 12 had THREE team in the Top 7:
#4 Cinci
#5 Baylor
#7 Oklahoma State

Also, BYU finished at #19.

It will be interesting to see what the new Big 12 does both on and off the field once the new 4 teams come in and OU and UT are out.

No they didn't. There would have been further losses had UC been in the B12 this past year. Either UC would have loss(es) to Baylor and/or Oklahoma St. or the other two would have add loss(es) to UC. Plus BYU may have upset one of the top 3. None of that didn't happen so it's a moot point.

And maybe more wins by others....as top conf get multiple teams in the Top 20...as OU finished #10 too.

Point is...top teams always emerge...and in a solid new conf (especially if most do well in non-conf play), there will be even more games involving TOp 25 ranked teams...so more value for wins...and even some credit for "good losses".

Time will tell, the biggest problem the newBig12 faces is that just as the BigEast it doesn’t have a Big power football name to anchor the league and these recruiting rankings highlights that.

Big East's biggest football program was much of it was located in the Northeast, plus, it was almost always invisible as it was the smallest BCS conf with just 8 teams.

Heck, on some Saturdays, there would be just one Big East Conf game (some teams would have byes, others played on Thur and Fri nights) so that provided not much value to ESPN.

Big 12 has football hungry institutions in football crazed states...so while they may not have an immediate "anchor"...there have plenty of teams that have finished in the Top 10-20 in recent years.

Also...Big 12 will remain the #1 Hoop Conf too...so thats another nice straw in their hat.

How did Big East basketball help Big East?

These moves are football lead, basketball pays peanuts compared. Now go look at the Big12 footprint and you will see that just like BigEast few outside of it will care.
Look the Big12 is not out of the woods just and is not in strong footing, no matter how much those going there want to paint things.

But as I said you’ll get your answers in next three years, tv contract, bowl tie ins are all coming for renewal in those 3-4 years. You will get your answers then.

(01-27-2022 11:19 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Now go look at the Big12 footprint and you will see that just like BigEast few outside of it will care.

Thats weird...as millions and millions and millions of viewers are watching their games.

Heck...3 of the new Big 12 teams (Cinci, Baylor and Oklahoma St) played in the Top 6 rated Bowl Games this year.

The Baylor/Oklahoma St Conf Championship Game drew more than 8 Million viewers! (3 times the viewership as the Pac-12 Champ Game and FIVE times higher than the ACC Championship Game).

Cinci drew 2 Million viewers for their ACC Champ Game vs Houston...some 500,000 more viewers than the ACC Champ Game.

Big 12 will be fine...but thanks for your wish.

(01-27-2022 07:10 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:19 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Now go look at the Big12 footprint and you will see that just like BigEast few outside of it will care.

Thats weird...as millions and millions and millions of viewers are watching their games.

Heck...3 of the new Big 12 teams (Cinci, Baylor and Oklahoma St) played in the Top 6 rated Bowl Games this year.

The Baylor/Oklahoma St Conf Championship Game drew more than 8 Million viewers! (3 times the viewership as the Pac-12 Champ Game and FIVE times higher than the ACC Championship Game).

Cinci drew 2 Million viewers for their ACC Champ Game vs Houston...some 500,000 more viewers than the ACC Champ Game.

Big 12 will be fine...but thanks for your wish.

Is not a wish. I know that of USF moves up it would be to Big12 and I still wouldn’t change my opinion on it.

(01-27-2022 11:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 09:19 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  No they didn't. There would have been further losses had UC been in the B12 this past year. Either UC would have loss(es) to Baylor and/or Oklahoma St. or the other two would have add loss(es) to UC. Plus BYU may have upset one of the top 3. None of that didn't happen so it's a moot point.

And maybe more wins by others....as top conf get multiple teams in the Top 20...as OU finished #10 too which put 3 current Big 12 Teams in the Top 10.

Point is...top teams always emerge...and in a solid new conf (especially if most do well in non-conf play), there will be even more games involving TOp 25 ranked teams...so more value for wins...and even some credit for "good losses".

Baylor has never shown a consistency of winning seasons, losing 7 in the shortened 2020 season and 6 in 2018. Oklahoma State has fared a little better but not that much. One good season from these teams doesn't all of a sudden make them powerhouses. Cincy had a great year but hasn't shown a long period of success either. It is a team that lost 4 straight to Temple after all.

Lets not confuse the new teams, and leftover teams, as equal to the multiple decades of success with Oklahoma.

(01-27-2022 08:05 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 09:19 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  No they didn't. There would have been further losses had UC been in the B12 this past year. Either UC would have loss(es) to Baylor and/or Oklahoma St. or the other two would have add loss(es) to UC. Plus BYU may have upset one of the top 3. None of that didn't happen so it's a moot point.

And maybe more wins by others....as top conf get multiple teams in the Top 20...as OU finished #10 too which put 3 current Big 12 Teams in the Top 10.

Point is...top teams always emerge...and in a solid new conf (especially if most do well in non-conf play), there will be even more games involving TOp 25 ranked teams...so more value for wins...and even some credit for "good losses".

Baylor has never shown a consistency of winning seasons, losing 7 in the shortened 2020 season and 6 in 2018. Oklahoma State has fared a little better but not that much. One good season from these teams doesn't all of a sudden make them powerhouses. Cincy had a great year but hasn't shown a long period of success either. It is a team that lost 4 straight to Temple after all.

Lets not confuse the new teams, and leftover teams, as equal to the multiple decades of success with Oklahoma.

Doesn’t matter how much those teams win they will not be looked as equal to Oklahoma nor Texas. That has been my point since the start, those pointing wins and rankings are missing the entire point on the value of some schools. A losing Texas is more valuable to a conference than any of the newB12 with a winning record.