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Personally I really like coach Oliver. As a first year HC he's going thru a lot of learning himself. As for last night I wondered why we didn't press more. Perhaps he didn't want UNCG to figure it out earlier. Perhaps it was foul trouble that was the issue. We got killed in the paint and very few 2nd chances. Thanks for the details on the man to man. I love watching the weave especially when it works. Uncg seemed to have a game plan to contain Sloan. He has been a pleasure to watch.
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Just got done listening to coach Oliver on the morning monster. If Bobby Rader puts the link to that interview up on Twitter I would recommend everyone listen to it. Frankly, I’ve never heard an ETSU coach talk in the way he did about the social media criticism of him (e.g., directly referencing a recent tweet from the Mutiny Twitter account). He spent about 15 minutes defending himself and the team, saying that he had a lot to learn as a first year head coach, etc.

For what it’s worth, I think everything he said was accurate and I’ve appreciated how honest he has been with the media since his arrival.
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(01-28-2022 09:40 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Just got done listening to coach Oliver on the morning monster. If Bobby Rader puts the link to that interview up on Twitter I would recommend everyone listen to it. Frankly, I’ve never heard an ETSU coach talk in the way he did about the social media criticism of him (e.g., directly referencing a recent tweet from the Mutiny Twitter account). He spent about 15 minutes defending himself and the team, saying that he had a lot to learn as a first year head coach, etc.

For what it’s worth, I think everything he said was accurate and I’ve appreciated how honest he has been with the media since his arrival.

If someone can link that interview, that would be great. I agree with these last few posts: the comment by Mike Tyson couldn't be more accurate "It's what you do after getting punched in the mouth." I think Coach O and his staff will win here, but to say it was a difficult situation coming in is an understatement. I think where I personally got a little out of whack with expectations was when we beat Murray State, Mizzou State, Kent State, and Morehead. I watched a little of Morehead State last night vs. SEMO, and they're a solid bunch. Those were all impressive wins, and I didn't think Adekhe contributed all that much. I've said this earlier - I was wrong about that, and I think a lot of us were wrong about his contributions to the team.

All the same, next year doesn't shape up poorly. We will have King, Tipler, and Strothers, and Hall at the guard position. Yaser at a wing, but we'll see if Shaw and/or Gregory can contribute. Weber & Seymour & Charles at the 4. Ilic, Nunez, and I'm sure another recruit will be at the 5 spot. No one has really even mentioned Brandon Hall, who may contribute too. No idea where his talent level is, but he sure had some good stats coming in. If he was going to transfer, I would think he would have left at the break. Of course we may lose one or more of these guys, so it will be interesting to see what he gets.

I do think people need to calm down. We aren't UT. UT fans were calling in to the sports monster after Butch Jones' first game (a loss to Oregon) calling for his head. Never forget that. I said this many times, but we just have to be patient... and likely take our lumps along with it.
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Bobby just posted the interview link on his Twitter account
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(01-28-2022 10:36 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 09:40 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Just got done listening to coach Oliver on the morning monster. If Bobby Rader puts the link to that interview up on Twitter I would recommend everyone listen to it. Frankly, I’ve never heard an ETSU coach talk in the way he did about the social media criticism of him (e.g., directly referencing a recent tweet from the Mutiny Twitter account). He spent about 15 minutes defending himself and the team, saying that he had a lot to learn as a first year head coach, etc.

For what it’s worth, I think everything he said was accurate and I’ve appreciated how honest he has been with the media since his arrival.

If someone can link that interview, that would be great. I agree with these last few posts: the comment by Mike Tyson couldn't be more accurate "It's what you do after getting punched in the mouth." I think Coach O and his staff will win here, but to say it was a difficult situation coming in is an understatement. I think where I personally got a little out of whack with expectations was when we beat Murray State, Mizzou State, Kent State, and Morehead. I watched a little of Morehead State last night vs. SEMO, and they're a solid bunch. Those were all impressive wins, and I didn't think Adekhe contributed all that much. I've said this earlier - I was wrong about that, and I think a lot of us were wrong about his contributions to the team.

All the same, next year doesn't shape up poorly. We will have King, Tipler, and Strothers, and Hall at the guard position. Yaser at a wing, but we'll see if Shaw and/or Gregory can contribute. Weber & Seymour & Charles at the 4. Ilic, Nunez, and I'm sure another recruit will be at the 5 spot. No one has really even mentioned Brandon Hall, who may contribute too. No idea where his talent level is, but he sure had some good stats coming in. If he was going to transfer, I would think he would have left at the break. Of course we may lose one or more of these guys, so it will be interesting to see what he gets.

I do think people need to calm down. We aren't UT. UT fans were calling in to the sports monster after Butch Jones' first game (a loss to Oregon) calling for his head. Never forget that. I said this many times, but we just have to be patient... and likely take our lumps along with it.

After the first 22 games of his first season — Forbes was 13-9 while Oliver is 12-10. Forbes finished 24-12 and second in the SoCon that first season. You all know his records the next four seasons as he finished 130-43 at ETSU. Of course he is the benchmark.
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(01-28-2022 12:02 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 10:36 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 09:40 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Just got done listening to coach Oliver on the morning monster. If Bobby Rader puts the link to that interview up on Twitter I would recommend everyone listen to it. Frankly, I’ve never heard an ETSU coach talk in the way he did about the social media criticism of him (e.g., directly referencing a recent tweet from the Mutiny Twitter account). He spent about 15 minutes defending himself and the team, saying that he had a lot to learn as a first year head coach, etc.

For what it’s worth, I think everything he said was accurate and I’ve appreciated how honest he has been with the media since his arrival.

If someone can link that interview, that would be great. I agree with these last few posts: the comment by Mike Tyson couldn't be more accurate "It's what you do after getting punched in the mouth." I think Coach O and his staff will win here, but to say it was a difficult situation coming in is an understatement. I think where I personally got a little out of whack with expectations was when we beat Murray State, Mizzou State, Kent State, and Morehead. I watched a little of Morehead State last night vs. SEMO, and they're a solid bunch. Those were all impressive wins, and I didn't think Adekhe contributed all that much. I've said this earlier - I was wrong about that, and I think a lot of us were wrong about his contributions to the team.

All the same, next year doesn't shape up poorly. We will have King, Tipler, and Strothers, and Hall at the guard position. Yaser at a wing, but we'll see if Shaw and/or Gregory can contribute. Weber & Seymour & Charles at the 4. Ilic, Nunez, and I'm sure another recruit will be at the 5 spot. No one has really even mentioned Brandon Hall, who may contribute too. No idea where his talent level is, but he sure had some good stats coming in. If he was going to transfer, I would think he would have left at the break. Of course we may lose one or more of these guys, so it will be interesting to see what he gets.

I do think people need to calm down. We aren't UT. UT fans were calling in to the sports monster after Butch Jones' first game (a loss to Oregon) calling for his head. Never forget that. I said this many times, but we just have to be patient... and likely take our lumps along with it.

After the first 22 games of his first season — Forbes was 13-9 while Oliver is 12-10. Forbes finished 24-12 and second in the SoCon. You all know the records of Forbes the next four seasons as he finished 130-43 at ETSU. Of course he is the benchmark.

Forbes was finding ways to win conference games by that point, though. I just want to see the Bucs win at home and look competitive on the road. Very ugly were the last 2 losses at home to bottom half teams this year. The pre-conference tournament win showed the Bucs can win. It’s the waning focus that is frustrating.
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(01-28-2022 09:40 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Just got done listening to coach Oliver on the morning monster. If Bobby Rader puts the link to that interview up on Twitter I would recommend everyone listen to it. Frankly, I’ve never heard an ETSU coach talk in the way he did about the social media criticism of him (e.g., directly referencing a recent tweet from the Mutiny Twitter account). He spent about 15 minutes defending himself and the team, saying that he had a lot to learn as a first year head coach, etc.

For what it’s worth, I think everything he said was accurate and I’ve appreciated how honest he has been with the media since his arrival.

I don't mind Munity making that tweet but tagging Oliver was a d ick move. You are a fan account, slow your roll you ain't that important.
That was my problem, you want to complain on here, complain on Twitter go for it. But Oliver has more important things to worry about than some over engaged fan.
Making demands.

Call the coaches show ask your question (Respectfully) That's what it is for.
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(01-28-2022 12:02 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  After the first 22 games of his first season — Forbes was 13-9 while Oliver is 12-10. Forbes finished 24-12 and second in the SoCon that first season. You all know his records the next four seasons as he finished 130-43 at ETSU. Of course he is the benchmark.

But what we got now ain't that. At that point in time, we had bodies; we had the pieces. It was mostly a matter of putting them together effectively. We're missing multiple important pieces in the here and now. We're not gonna finish 24-12, or even close to it. Would love to be wrong..............but I'm not.

At that point in time.............Bucs were trending up - and it was easy to see it. The team was jelling and the team chemistry was taking shape. Quite the contrary at the moment.
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(01-28-2022 03:04 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 12:02 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  After the first 22 games of his first season — Forbes was 13-9 while Oliver is 12-10. Forbes finished 24-12 and second in the SoCon that first season. You all know his records the next four seasons as he finished 130-43 at ETSU. Of course he is the benchmark.

But what we got now ain't that. At that point in time, we had bodies; we had the pieces. It was mostly a matter of putting them together effectively. We're missing multiple important pieces in the here and now. We're not gonna finish 24-12, or even close to it. Would love to be wrong..............but I'm not.

At that point in time.............Bucs were trending up - and it was easy to see it. The team was jelling and the team chemistry was taking shape. Quite the contrary at the moment.

Yea, at the 22 game mark, he did turn it on and finished 11-3, winning 7 in a row and, of course, making it to the SoCon final before dropping that one to UTC. He’s the ETSU benchmark and at the pace he’s on at WF, it could end up that they won’t be able to afford him.
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If Forbes keeps it up at Wake I wouldnt be surprised to see him jump again for a bigger job.
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(01-28-2022 07:25 PM)Bucster Wrote:  If Forbes keeps it up at Wake I wouldnt be surprised to see him jump again for a bigger job.
Forbes apparently a candidate for Louisville job. Vegas has him as the #4 odds candidate behind Payne, Davenport and Willard. Coming in right behind Forbes in odds, WES MILLER.

Story including Vegas Odds
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It’s honestly embarrassing that our head coach made a 20 minute rant coming up with excuse after excuse on why this team is playing so poorly all because a little Twitter account critiqued his coaching. Between the rant towards fans, and the way he blames a lot of the teams short comings on the refs and players for not buying in. Seems like he has difficulty looking in the mirror and realizing he’s the problem. I don’t know if he knows this or not but it’s the coaches job to make your guys believe in your game plan and execute it. If the players aren’t buying in obviously your leadership skills are lacking. A big part of being a head coach is having a big personality getting the community and students involved. And also being able to have recruits fall in love with you and the program. He’s alienating fans by crying when they call him out and what young man wants to play for a d*** that’s going to throw you under the bus when you aren’t winning.
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(01-28-2022 09:09 PM)Chicago_Buc Wrote:  It’s honestly embarrassing that our head coach made a 20 minute rant coming up with excuse after excuse on why this team is playing so poorly all because a little Twitter account critiqued his coaching. Between the rant towards fans, and the way he blames a lot of the teams short comings on the refs and players for not buying in. Seems like he has difficulty looking in the mirror and realizing he’s the problem. I don’t know if he knows this or not but it’s the coaches job to make your guys believe in your game plan and execute it. If the players aren’t buying in obviously your leadership skills are lacking. A big part of being a head coach is having a big personality getting the community and students involved. And also being able to have recruits fall in love with you and the program. He’s alienating fans by crying when they call him out and what young man wants to play for a d*** that’s going to throw you under the bus when you aren’t winning.

I must have clicked on the wrong link because that wasn't my take away. He did make some excuses but not that bad. But you don't like him so I guess that will influence how you heard it.
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(01-28-2022 09:15 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 09:09 PM)Chicago_Buc Wrote:  It’s honestly embarrassing that our head coach made a 20 minute rant coming up with excuse after excuse on why this team is playing so poorly all because a little Twitter account critiqued his coaching. Between the rant towards fans, and the way he blames a lot of the teams short comings on the refs and players for not buying in. Seems like he has difficulty looking in the mirror and realizing he’s the problem. I don’t know if he knows this or not but it’s the coaches job to make your guys believe in your game plan and execute it. If the players aren’t buying in obviously your leadership skills are lacking. A big part of being a head coach is having a big personality getting the community and students involved. And also being able to have recruits fall in love with you and the program. He’s alienating fans by crying when they call him out and what young man wants to play for a d*** that’s going to throw you under the bus when you aren’t winning.

I must have clicked on the wrong link because that wasn't my take away. He did make some excuses but not that bad. But you don't like him so I guess that will influence how you heard it.
Also welcome to the board, Mutiny. I guess.


Only time he took any accountability was when he blamed his lack of head coaching experience. Which credit to him he did mention 100 times. You’d think with 27 years as an assistant at multiple programs you might learn a thing or two.
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(01-28-2022 09:22 PM)Chicago_Buc Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 09:15 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 09:09 PM)Chicago_Buc Wrote:  It’s honestly embarrassing that our head coach made a 20 minute rant coming up with excuse after excuse on why this team is playing so poorly all because a little Twitter account critiqued his coaching. Between the rant towards fans, and the way he blames a lot of the teams short comings on the refs and players for not buying in. Seems like he has difficulty looking in the mirror and realizing he’s the problem. I don’t know if he knows this or not but it’s the coaches job to make your guys believe in your game plan and execute it. If the players aren’t buying in obviously your leadership skills are lacking. A big part of being a head coach is having a big personality getting the community and students involved. And also being able to have recruits fall in love with you and the program. He’s alienating fans by crying when they call him out and what young man wants to play for a d*** that’s going to throw you under the bus when you aren’t winning.

I must have clicked on the wrong link because that wasn't my take away. He did make some excuses but not that bad. But you don't like him so I guess that will influence how you heard it.
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Only time he took any accountability was when he blamed his lack of head coaching experience. Which credit to him he did mention 100 times. You’d think with 27 years as an assistant at multiple programs you might learn a thing or two.

Well, at least you have been patient with him. Three coaches in 3 years - why not go for 4 coaches in 4 years?!? Guaranteed success!! Lol.
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(01-28-2022 03:04 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 12:02 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  After the first 22 games of his first season — Forbes was 13-9 while Oliver is 12-10. Forbes finished 24-12 and second in the SoCon that first season. You all know his records the next four seasons as he finished 130-43 at ETSU. Of course he is the benchmark.

But what we got now ain't that. At that point in time, we had bodies; we had the pieces. It was mostly a matter of putting them together effectively. We're missing multiple important pieces in the here and now. We're not gonna finish 24-12, or even close to it. Would love to be wrong..............but I'm not.

At that point in time.............Bucs were trending up - and it was easy to see it. The team was jelling and the team chemistry was taking shape. Quite the contrary at the moment.

This is comparing apples and oranges. Different years, different teams, different personnel, different situation. Picture Forbes’ first team without say, Isaac Banks and a key sub off the bench. Forbes had brought in some key pieces too that Dez didn’t have the opportunity to bring in. So this isn’t really a fair comparison, but please tell me I’m wrong and refer me to a post from October where you correctly predicted everything, including the weather today.
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(01-28-2022 09:40 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Just got done listening to coach Oliver on the morning monster. If Bobby Rader puts the link to that interview up on Twitter I would recommend everyone listen to it. Frankly, I’ve never heard an ETSU coach talk in the way he did about the social media criticism of him (e.g., directly referencing a recent tweet from the Mutiny Twitter account). He spent about 15 minutes defending himself and the team, saying that he had a lot to learn as a first year head coach, etc.

For what it’s worth, I think everything he said was accurate and I’ve appreciated how honest he has been with the media since his arrival.
Just listened to it.
The jumping off point for the conversation was the Twitter stuff. Not sure that it's a good idea to respond to Twitter, but it did give him a way to respond to criticism. I hope his M.O. is not to address Twitter trolls/contributors frequently, but it is his choice.
There was a mix of valid explanations and "poor me/poor us" excuses. Who am I to criticize "poor me"? Tom Izzo and Jim Boeheim use the technique frequently and they've had OK careers.
He made a good point about thinking he had an offensive-challenged team before the season started which flipped to a defensive-challenged team in December.
He said several times that although this is his first go-round, he's got to get better about coaching certain situations. To me, a reasonable statement.
I don't know how psychology-savvy he is, but I do wonder if he's using the Twitter criticism as a motivational tool to get his team to prove the Twitter troll wrong. Just a thought.
I do like he was willing to spend a significant chunk of time on the radio show. I think he will learn to be a little more closed off as he gets experience, but I like he's willing to talk.
Overall, I'd give Coach a B or B- on this interview. Not great, but hardly the whine-fest I was expecting.

And this isn't about Coach, but I hope folks around here realize how much of a treasure Bobby Rader is - he lets people talk. Did he say ANYTHING other than the intro during the interview?
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(01-29-2022 09:21 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Well, at least you have been patient with him. Three coaches in 3 years - why not go for 4 coaches in 4 years?!? Guaranteed success!! Lol.

Nah, give them a whole year? Nobody got time for that.
Hire them on short term contracts, Have a committee of super fans, They evulate the new coach at the Christmas break, if they aren't up to the fans expectations, they are out. Might burn through 10-12 coaches in a few years but we will get there. Just have to keep searching. Who has time to build a program?
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Okay, I have to perfect guy, he has actually coached here before, has ties (at least Kevin Bacon degrees of 1) to Forbes, and knows how to win. No, Not Savage..

Greg Heiar,, Yep you heard right, give me a minute. He is 22-2 at Northwest Florida (Forbes school prior to ETSU) Just like Forbes he coached under a very successful coach (SEC) who knows how to win at any cost (wink).. Pearl and Wade.. He loves JUCO's and transfers.
He can bring back Donely (remember him?) and boom WIN!04-rock04-rock04-rock02-13-banana02-13-banana02-13-banana02-13-banana02-13-banana

05-stirthepot05-stirthepot04-cheers


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(01-29-2022 12:12 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  05-stirthepot05-stirthepot05-stirthepot05-stirthepot05-stirthepot05-stirthepot05-stirthepot05-stirthepot


Okay, I have to perfect guy, he has actually coached here before, has ties (at least Kevin Bacon degrees of 1) to Forbes, and knows how to win. No, Not Savage..

Greg Heiar,, Yep you heard right, give me a minute. He is 22-2 at Northwest Florida (Forbes school prior to ETSU) Just like Forbes he coached under a very successful coach (SEC) who knows how to win at any cost (wink).. Pearl and Wade.. He loves JUCO's and transfers.
He can bring back Donely (remember him?) and boom WIN!04-rock04-rock04-rock02-13-banana02-13-banana02-13-banana02-13-banana02-13-banana

05-stirthepot05-stirthepot04-cheers


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Honestly would have liked that hire much better than Oliver. If only he wasn’t apart of the team last year.
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