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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
Interesting Chris Mack related fact:

None of the former members of the Big East who chased greener pastures are currently in the KenPom Top 50.

51. West Virginia
56. Notre Dame
73. Cincinnati
94. Syracuse
95. Rutgers
113. Louisville
183. Pitt
209. USF
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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
Uh... Cincinnati "left" the Big East???

When?
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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
(01-25-2022 10:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting Chris Mack related fact:

None of the former members of the Big East who chased greener pastures are currently in the KenPom Top 50.

51. West Virginia
56. Notre Dame
73. Cincinnati
94. Syracuse
95. Rutgers
113. Louisville
183. Pitt
209. USF

The only one on that list that should've stayed is Notre Dame.
They don't want to be in a football conference. Their other sports are a good match for the Big East.
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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
(01-25-2022 10:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting Chris Mack related fact:

None of the former members of the Big East who chased greener pastures are currently in the KenPom Top 50.

51. West Virginia
56. Notre Dame
73. Cincinnati
94. Syracuse
95. Rutgers
113. Louisville
183. Pitt
209. USF

Miami left the Big East
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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
(01-25-2022 10:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting Chris Mack related fact:

None of the former members of the Big East who chased greener pastures are currently in the KenPom Top 50.

51. West Virginia
56. Notre Dame
73. Cincinnati
94. Syracuse
95. Rutgers
113. Louisville
183. Pitt
209. USF

(01-25-2022 10:58 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Uh... Cincinnati "left" the Big East???

When?

Cincinnati and USF never left the Big East.

THAT Big East is now the American Athletic Conference.

Perhaps the poster was talking about teams that moved on to the P5, which Cincinnati is about to do (but then he still included USF).
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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
(01-25-2022 10:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting Chris Mack related fact:

None of the former members of the Big East who chased greener pastures are currently in the KenPom Top 50.

51. West Virginia
56. Notre Dame
73. Cincinnati
94. Syracuse
95. Rutgers
113. Louisville
183. Pitt
209. USF

WVU has been pretty good at hoops since their departure. Rutgers is a much better program than what it was. All the off court issues caught up to Louisville (and in FB too). Pitt and Syracuse’s issues comes down to not moving on from a guy (Syracuse) and on the other hand forcing a guy out (Pitt).
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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
(01-26-2022 12:59 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(01-25-2022 10:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting Chris Mack related fact:

None of the former members of the Big East who chased greener pastures are currently in the KenPom Top 50.

51. West Virginia
56. Notre Dame
73. Cincinnati
94. Syracuse
95. Rutgers
113. Louisville
183. Pitt
209. USF

(01-25-2022 10:58 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Uh... Cincinnati "left" the Big East???

When?

Cincinnati and USF never left the Big East.

THAT Big East is now the American Athletic Conference.

Perhaps the poster was talking about teams that moved on to the P5, which Cincinnati is about to do (but then he still included USF).

OK, Cincinnati never "left" the Big East.

They will 05-stirthepot
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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
(01-25-2022 10:51 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  
(01-25-2022 07:38 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Unfortunate to see, but Mack simply failed to meet Louisville expectations. Mack could have stayed at Xavier for the rest of his career, but elite coaches are obsessed with success and always getting better. Mack felt that he reached a ceiling at Xavier, and took a top-10 job at Louisville (which happens to be near Cincinnati, his hometown).

Will be interesting too see where Louisville goes from here. Cronin should be one of their first calls IMO.

I am curious to see if this firing will be for cause. That Gaudio situation was peculiar.

The candidate who checks all the Louisville boxes is obvious. I think the main question is whether they’re going to call him Derby City Pearl or Bourbon Trail Bruce.

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Bruce isn't leaving Auburn.
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(01-25-2022 07:42 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(01-25-2022 07:38 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Unfortunate to see, but Mack simply failed to meet Louisville expectations. Mack could have stayed at Xavier for the rest of his career, but elite coaches are obsessed with success and always getting better. Mack felt that he reached a ceiling at Xavier, and took a top-10 job at Louisville (which happens to be near Cincinnati, his hometown).

Will be interesting too see where Louisville goes from here. Cronin should be one of their first calls IMO.

I am curious to see if this firing will be for cause. That Gaudio situation was peculiar.

Louisville Top Ten? Maybe every 10 years.

Well they do have top-5 attendance, are #1 in basketball revenue, and have arguably the best arena in college basketball.

They also are top-10 by nearly any measure of success you can think of: number of Final Fours, number of national titles, number of wins, number of weeks ranked in polls...
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RE: Chris Mack gone from Louisville?
If Mack (or Miller, for that matter) want to pull a "leave the A10 for greener pastures, get forced out, and then come back" we'd be glad to take him.
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(01-26-2022 10:48 AM)e-parade Wrote:  If Mack (or Miller, for that matter) want to pull a "leave the A10 for greener pastures, get forced out, and then come back" we'd be glad to take him.

Anyone who wants to hire Sean Miller ought to do it soon, in case he gets hit with a show-cause order. 07-coffee3
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(01-26-2022 11:17 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-26-2022 10:48 AM)e-parade Wrote:  If Mack (or Miller, for that matter) want to pull a "leave the A10 for greener pastures, get forced out, and then come back" we'd be glad to take him.

Anyone who wants to hire Sean Miller ought to do it soon, in case he gets hit with a show-cause order. 07-coffee3

Your post reminded me of Golden Warrior's post earlier in this thread: where did Mack and Miller come from before they went to Arizona and Louisville. Does anyone believe they ran clean operations at said school?
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(01-25-2022 09:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(01-25-2022 07:38 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Unfortunate to see, but Mack simply failed to meet Louisville expectations. Mack could have stayed at Xavier for the rest of his career, but elite coaches are obsessed with success and always getting better. Mack felt that he reached a ceiling at Xavier, and took a top-10 job at Louisville (which happens to be near Cincinnati, his hometown).

Will be interesting too see where Louisville goes from here. Cronin should be one of their first calls IMO.

I am curious to see if this firing will be for cause. That Gaudio situation was peculiar.

Wait, wha????

Cronin is now established at UCLA.
U.
C.
L.
A.

Think about that for a minute. UCLA. THE UCLA. You know...the one out at Westwood, CA. John Wooden. That UCLA.

He took them to the Final Four last season.

Luh'ville can "call" him all they want. I don't see him answering that call.

UCLA is a big deal to UCLA alums and people over 60, but not to anyone else.


Their arena is decidedly average (I saw a game there a few years after the 2012 renovation, and I was very disappointed after all the hype).

For years, they've coasted on their success under Wooden and have failed to invest in their facilities. I read one article a few years back claiming that they don't even have top-10 facilities among college basketball programs in California.

Since John Wooden left in 1975 (when Cronin was 4 years old), UCLA has won one national title.

Since 2000, they've finished the season ranked only 7 times. They've had more seasons with losing records (4) than conference tournament championships (3). That makes them similar to Tennessee or Marquette or Florida State (solid programs, but clearly behind schools like Wisconsin or Florida and not even close to Duke/UNC/UK/KU)

Even as the PAC-12 has slid dangerously far behind the other power conferences in the past decade, UCLA is no longer even the top program in the PAC-12 (that title clearly belongs to Arizona).


I'm not saying they're a bad program (they're not!). Just that they're more like top 20 or 25ish rather than top-5 like they think they are (and for the record, top-20ish makes them a step up from my team, Cincinnati).
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Forecasting a little bit ahead, the following jobs could very well open up due to poor performance (which could cause any number of additional jobs to be created through the carousel):

Arizona State
Georgetown
Georgia Tech
Kansas State
Maryland (Already Open)
Missouri
Tulsa
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(01-26-2022 11:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-25-2022 09:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(01-25-2022 07:38 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Unfortunate to see, but Mack simply failed to meet Louisville expectations. Mack could have stayed at Xavier for the rest of his career, but elite coaches are obsessed with success and always getting better. Mack felt that he reached a ceiling at Xavier, and took a top-10 job at Louisville (which happens to be near Cincinnati, his hometown).

Will be interesting too see where Louisville goes from here. Cronin should be one of their first calls IMO.

I am curious to see if this firing will be for cause. That Gaudio situation was peculiar.

Wait, wha????

Cronin is now established at UCLA.
U.
C.
L.
A.

Think about that for a minute. UCLA. THE UCLA. You know...the one out at Westwood, CA. John Wooden. That UCLA.

He took them to the Final Four last season.

Luh'ville can "call" him all they want. I don't see him answering that call.

UCLA is a big deal to UCLA alums and people over 60, but not to anyone else.


Their arena is decidedly average (I saw a game there a few years after the 2012 renovation, and I was very disappointed after all the hype).

For years, they've coasted on their success under Wooden and have failed to invest in their facilities. I read one article a few years back claiming that they don't even have top-10 facilities among college basketball programs in California.

Since John Wooden left in 1975 (when Cronin was 4 years old), UCLA has won one national title.

Since 2000, they've finished the season ranked only 7 times. They've had more seasons with losing records (4) than conference tournament championships (3). That makes them similar to Tennessee or Marquette or Florida State (solid programs, but clearly behind schools like Wisconsin or Florida and not even close to Duke/UNC/UK/KU)

Even as the PAC-12 has slid dangerously far behind the other power conferences in the past decade, UCLA is no longer even the top program in the PAC-12 (that title clearly belongs to Arizona).


I'm not saying they're a bad program (they're not!). Just that they're more like top 20 or 25ish rather than top-5 like they think they are (and for the record, top-20ish makes them a step up from my team, Cincinnati).

Cronin is a former assistant at Louisville, and is from the Cincinnati-area. UCLA is a prestigious job, but so is Louisville. The resources, facilities and fan support there are as good as anyone in the country. There is also something to be said about being on the West coast, in terms of exposure.

If I were the UL AD, I would definitely contact Cronin (not sure he would be interested or not, but there would be a lot to sell him on).
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(01-26-2022 11:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-26-2022 11:17 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-26-2022 10:48 AM)e-parade Wrote:  If Mack (or Miller, for that matter) want to pull a "leave the A10 for greener pastures, get forced out, and then come back" we'd be glad to take him.

Anyone who wants to hire Sean Miller ought to do it soon, in case he gets hit with a show-cause order. 07-coffee3

Your post reminded me of Golden Warrior's post earlier in this thread: where did Mack and Miller come from before they went to Arizona and Louisville. Does anyone believe they ran clean operations at said school?

Has Xavier ever been hit with any penalties of wrong-doing?
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(01-26-2022 11:17 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-26-2022 10:48 AM)e-parade Wrote:  If Mack (or Miller, for that matter) want to pull a "leave the A10 for greener pastures, get forced out, and then come back" we'd be glad to take him.

Anyone who wants to hire Sean Miller ought to do it soon, in case he gets hit with a show-cause order. 07-coffee3

Archie Miller, not Sean.
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(01-26-2022 11:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-26-2022 11:17 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-26-2022 10:48 AM)e-parade Wrote:  If Mack (or Miller, for that matter) want to pull a "leave the A10 for greener pastures, get forced out, and then come back" we'd be glad to take him.

Anyone who wants to hire Sean Miller ought to do it soon, in case he gets hit with a show-cause order. 07-coffee3

Your post reminded me of Golden Warrior's post earlier in this thread: where did Mack and Miller come from before they went to Arizona and Louisville. Does anyone believe they ran clean operations at said school?

Coming from someone that watches a lot of Arizona basketball (husband is a fan, my major corporate banking contact is a U of A alum that has access to plenty of corporate tickets) is that Miller is not a coach who thrives at a high-level one and done school. His system relies on unselfish play, and from players who need multiple years to really get it down. Saw a lot of talented players underachieve in Tucson under Miller because they were more concerned about individual stats to make them look good in their planned single year there (or at best, two years).
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(01-26-2022 11:37 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Georgia Tech


Pastner was given a 2 year extension after winning the ACC. You don't win the ACC then get fired the next year. Especially at GT. However, at the conclusion of next season, Pastner becomes imminently affordable to fire again.
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(01-26-2022 12:59 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Cincinnati and USF never left the Big East. THAT Big East is now the American Athletic Conference.

Yes and no.

Cincinnati never left the conference which was an LP headquartered in Providence (now Ft. Worth) which formerly housed the Big East (now the AAC), but since that group sold its branding and historical assets to what is now Big East Conference Inc, a New York corporation, it essentially departed from its former entity.
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