(01-26-2022 02:28 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:43 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 06:05 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 03:02 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 02:49 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Texas still recruits top 10-15 classes every season. Their issue isn't talent. It's a culture of entitlement that causes them to point fingers and fold at the first sign of adversity.

Both their football and men's basketball teams are filled with Charmin soft frontrunners, and you see that almost every time they find themselves in a four-quarter battle with one of the many Big 12 programs doing more with less.

There was a time a decade and a half ago when the Longhorns truly were the Joneses. Taking advantage of the many natural advantages they had over their conference peers, they were the bullies on the block under Mack Brown. But everyone else slowly caught up with them, particularly in terms of commitment level and facilities, and they never adjusted to a new reality in which there's nothing particularly special about them.

They still spout and buy into their "We're Texas" nonsense without doing any of the things that set those teams of the past apart. And if you ask their fans about that culture problem, they'll deny it exists and blame the coaches and players at the time -- ignoring the fact that these issues have now spanned numerous coaches and more than a decade of objectively talented players.

Oklahoma will be vastly superior to Texas in the SEC. While their fans have started sounding more and more like UT fans since the decision to bolt was leaked, their programs' priorities are in much better order to compete at a high level on the football field.

This was true right up until a few months ago when the NIL bidding wars began out in the open. Now UT and aTm will buy top 5 recruiting classes every year and honestly their coaching staffs will have to be extremely incompetent not to succeed.

NIL age Elite

Bama
Ohio St
Georgia
aTm
UT



It will be interesting to see how deep the USC pockets go in this new age.

Ole Miss seems to be just below this elite level of player payments currently and I assume we all know the history of Ole Miss paying players under Freeze. Perhaps LSU and Florida belong in this 2nd tier too, not sure.

It will be interesting to see if any of the Big12 schools are able to start $$$ whipping the rest of the Big 12 for recruits. I wonder what BYU's NIL $$$$ will look like once it is up and running at full speed.

I'm prepared to be totally wrong about this, but I don't think NIL will have the seismic impact that many do.

I think those that have traditionally done more with more will continue to do so.
I think those that have traditionally done less with more will continue to do so.
And I think those that have traditionally done more with less will continue to do so.

As long as scholarship limits remain in place, I see the same teams that have always outrecruited everyone else maintaining that edge. So for those of us who have been winning with leftovers -- of which there are ample quality options in Texas -- I don't see all that much changing.

We'll see, though. It's definitely a new world. I think it will take a while for all the dust to settle and to figure out exactly what it is we're looking at.

You don't think this year has been a bit different in regards to recruiting, the new transfer portal and new NIL rules? I've never seen anything like it and aTm just landed the highest rated recruiting class since they have been keeping track. Again, Texas AM just landed the highest rated recruiting class ever. The aggies.
It's a pretty seismic shift already and clearly many of the SEC teams got the jump as they had these back channels set up already as they have already been doing it illegally and were probably given a heads up of what was about to happen regarding NIL. The change in rules this recruiting cycle definitely caught some programs off guard and flat footed.

Like everything else that's happening in college sports (and most other aspects of life currently), change is coming so fast that no one really knows how to handle it right now. So things are super volatile at the moment.

I'm talking more about a few years down the road once the dust has settled and everyone has a better idea of what we're dealing with.

I think ultimately the same programs that have won the majority of their recruiting battles and dominated the rankings list will continue to do so, and the same teams that have been competing at a high level with leftovers and underrated overachievers will continue to do so.

I also think that the transfer portal will be a great equalizer. I think you'll see a lot o situations where guys who get big NIL deals out of high school transfer from their original destinations to schools that won't have to pay the same premium for their services. As that happens more and more, I think boosters will ultimately realize that a lot of these NIL deals are terrible investments (Quinn Ewers), and you'll less insane money thrown around over time.

But we'll see. Like I said, I'm prepared to be wrong about this. I just think scholarship limits will continue to be the playing field leveler they've always been. Only so many guys can get big-money NIL deals. And there are a lot of really good players that won't.

I mean you are speaking pretty generally and I generally agree with the general sentiment. I'm not sure you directly responding to the examples I gave though which I suppose leads to a dead end to what could have been an interesting discussion.

(01-26-2022 02:43 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:28 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:43 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 06:05 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 03:02 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  This was true right up until a few months ago when the NIL bidding wars began out in the open. Now UT and aTm will buy top 5 recruiting classes every year and honestly their coaching staffs will have to be extremely incompetent not to succeed.

NIL age Elite

Bama
Ohio St
Georgia
aTm
UT



It will be interesting to see how deep the USC pockets go in this new age.

Ole Miss seems to be just below this elite level of player payments currently and I assume we all know the history of Ole Miss paying players under Freeze. Perhaps LSU and Florida belong in this 2nd tier too, not sure.

It will be interesting to see if any of the Big12 schools are able to start $$$ whipping the rest of the Big 12 for recruits. I wonder what BYU's NIL $$$$ will look like once it is up and running at full speed.

I'm prepared to be totally wrong about this, but I don't think NIL will have the seismic impact that many do.

I think those that have traditionally done more with more will continue to do so.
I think those that have traditionally done less with more will continue to do so.
And I think those that have traditionally done more with less will continue to do so.

As long as scholarship limits remain in place, I see the same teams that have always outrecruited everyone else maintaining that edge. So for those of us who have been winning with leftovers -- of which there are ample quality options in Texas -- I don't see all that much changing.

We'll see, though. It's definitely a new world. I think it will take a while for all the dust to settle and to figure out exactly what it is we're looking at.

You don't think this year has been a bit different in regards to recruiting, the new transfer portal and new NIL rules? I've never seen anything like it and aTm just landed the highest rated recruiting class since they have been keeping track. Again, Texas AM just landed the highest rated recruiting class ever. The aggies.
It's a pretty seismic shift already and clearly many of the SEC teams got the jump as they had these back channels set up already as they have already been doing it illegally and were probably given a heads up of what was about to happen regarding NIL. The change in rules this recruiting cycle definitely caught some programs off guard and flat footed.

Like everything else that's happening in college sports (and most other aspects of life currently), change is coming so fast that no one really knows how to handle it right now. So things are super volatile at the moment.

I'm talking more about a few years down the road once the dust has settled and everyone has a better idea of what we're dealing with.

I think ultimately the same programs that have won the majority of their recruiting battles and dominated the rankings list will continue to do so, and the same teams that have been competing at a high level with leftovers and underrated overachievers will continue to do so.

I also think that the transfer portal will be a great equalizer. I think you'll see a lot o situations where guys who get big NIL deals out of high school transfer from their original destinations to schools that won't have to pay the same premium for their services. As that happens more and more, I think boosters will ultimately realize that a lot of these NIL deals are terrible investments (Quinn Ewers), and you'll less insane money thrown around over time.

But we'll see. Like I said, I'm prepared to be wrong about this. I just think scholarship limits will continue to be the playing field leveler they've always been. Only so many guys can get big-money NIL deals. And there are a lot of really good players that won't.

I mean you are speaking pretty generally and I generally agree with the general sentiment. I'm not sure you directly responding to the examples I gave though which I suppose leads to a dead end to what could have been an interesting discussion.

I'll comment on one of the examples given. I'm not worried about Texas A&M building a perennial national power. No matter how much money they spend or what they do on the recruiting trail, they'll still share a division with Alabama and a conference with Georgia, which both recruit at a similar level and are better-run programs with vastly superior coaches to Jimbo Fisher.

You have to recruit at an elite level to compete for titles, but recruiting at an elite level doesn't guarantee titles. Culture still matters. There are a lot of programs (including our state's two flagships) that recruit at a very high level perennially and have precious little to show for those efforts. I don't think that changes with NIL. But we'll see.

There are a handful of programs that seem to perpetually underperform compared to their potential. From the B1G for example, Michigan hasn’t seen the sort of success one might expect. From the legacy Big XII, those were Texas and aTm.

Both should in theory have had an advantage even over legacy OU - yet it was the Sooners who dominated. They may only have won the one national title under Stoops, but they rang up a heap of conference titles and playoff appearances. Those Texas “big dogs” should in theory have been more competitive.

Now obviously brands take time to build, and even if you consider that competitive underperformance the loss of the legacy schools and particularly NU/OU/UT/aTm hurts. The conference will have to see other schools perform at a high level. NIL and the transfer portal will be interesting challenges for everyone.

Times change. Some may argue that conference affiliation impacted schools like Nebraska and Miami. That may have been part of it, but those examples show how other factors can come into play. NU’s use of partial qualifiers, their hires of two fine coaches in succession, prominence during an era with more limited TV time slots and early and enthusiastic use not just of weight training but football-functional weight training were all parts of their success. Miami had a unique cultural appeal for African-American players in the 80s & 90s that played a big part in their success.

I agree that the SEC and B1G are the clear front runners. But the Big XII has good potential compared to the PAC and ACC moving forward. Someone will simply have to rise to the challenge.

(01-27-2022 12:01 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  There are a handful of programs that seem to perpetually underperform compared to their potential. From the B1G for example, Michigan hasn’t seen the sort of success one might expect. From the legacy Big XII, those were Texas and aTm.

Both should in theory have had an advantage even over legacy OU - yet it was the Sooners who dominated. They may only have won the one national title under Stoops, but they rang up a heap of conference titles and playoff appearances. Those Texas “big dogs” should in theory have been more competitive.

Now obviously brands take time to build, and even if you consider that competitive underperformance the loss of the legacy schools and particularly NU/OU/UT/aTm hurts. The conference will have to see other schools perform at a high level. NIL and the transfer portal will be interesting challenges for everyone.

Times change. Some may argue that conference affiliation impacted schools like Nebraska and Miami. That may have been part of it, but those examples show how other factors can come into play. NU’s use of partial qualifiers, their hires of two fine coaches in succession, prominence during an era with more limited TV time slots and early and enthusiastic use not just of weight training but football-functional weight training were all parts of their success. Miami had a unique cultural appeal for African-American players in the 80s & 90s that played a big part in their success.

I agree that the SEC and B1G are the clear front runners. But the Big XII has good potential compared to the PAC and ACC moving forward. Someone will simply have to rise to the challenge.

Great post thanks!

i've been wondering about a few things regarding our Jayhawk friends.

1) What is KU's NIL situation looking like? Will KU NIL be more focused on basketball players? How will NIL affect basketball?

2) Is KU building a new football stadium?

3) What are the chances that KU goes to the B1G?

(01-27-2022 01:19 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 12:01 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  There are a handful of programs that seem to perpetually underperform compared to their potential. From the B1G for example, Michigan hasn’t seen the sort of success one might expect. From the legacy Big XII, those were Texas and aTm.

Both should in theory have had an advantage even over legacy OU - yet it was the Sooners who dominated. They may only have won the one national title under Stoops, but they rang up a heap of conference titles and playoff appearances. Those Texas “big dogs” should in theory have been more competitive.

Now obviously brands take time to build, and even if you consider that competitive underperformance the loss of the legacy schools and particularly NU/OU/UT/aTm hurts. The conference will have to see other schools perform at a high level. NIL and the transfer portal will be interesting challenges for everyone.

Times change. Some may argue that conference affiliation impacted schools like Nebraska and Miami. That may have been part of it, but those examples show how other factors can come into play. NU’s use of partial qualifiers, their hires of two fine coaches in succession, prominence during an era with more limited TV time slots and early and enthusiastic use not just of weight training but football-functional weight training were all parts of their success. Miami had a unique cultural appeal for African-American players in the 80s & 90s that played a big part in their success.

I agree that the SEC and B1G are the clear front runners. But the Big XII has good potential compared to the PAC and ACC moving forward. Someone will simply have to rise to the challenge.

Great post thanks!

i've been wondering about a few things regarding our Jayhawk friends.

1) What is KU's NIL situation looking like? Will KU NIL be more focused on basketball players? How will NIL affect basketball?

2) Is KU building a new football stadium?

3) What are the chances that KU goes to the B1G?

Thanks! I like having TCU in the league because they and KU do actually have a decent amount of pre-Big XII history. And you’ve gotta love unique mascots!

Our administration and fan base knows football must improve. If it does it will get support. NIL is early, but the kid who caught the winning 2pt conversion against UT got a deal almost immediately.

There are plans for stadium work, but they’re currently stalled. Some success in football paired with economic improvement post-pandemic may spur that on.

As for the Big 10, I think that the honest answer any Big XII school would have to give these days is that they’d like to be in either the SEC or B1G if feasible. Unless something big changes in monetization of basketball, however, that’s extraordinarily unlikely.

Due to our unique history in basketball our fans may be more prone than many to appreciate sports history. The sad fact of the matter is that money is more significant than ever. Past ties have been broken, and past attitudes won’t be returning either. It’s a business. Sad but true.

I am looking forward to the new Big XII. I think it’ll be fun, and the passion of these fan bases will be a uniting factor. We may not be neighbors with our new rivals, but out of competition rivalries will emerge.

(01-27-2022 07:55 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 01:19 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 12:01 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

I am looking forward to the new Big XII. I think it’ll be fun, and the passion of these fan bases will be a uniting factor. We may not be neighbors with our new rivals, but out of competition rivalries will emerge.

Agree,