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Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
Good location and seems to have started putting money into their facilities. Would have to be the PAC or Big 12.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
Demographics on their side, Colorado is a fast-growing state and has been for years. I don't think the PAC would have any interest though as long as they have the Buffaloes, but CSU makes a lot of sense to me if the Big XII does expand further after Texas & Oklahoma leave.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
NO!!!
Now let's move on.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
(01-22-2022 06:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Demographics on their side, Colorado is a fast-growing state and has been for years. I don't think the PAC would have any interest though as long as they have the Buffaloes, but CSU makes a lot of sense to me if the Big XII does expand further after Texas & Oklahoma leave.

The folks moving to Colorado from California aren’t likely going to have kids who play football, but, yes, CSU would easily fit into the new Big XII. Great college town, brand new football stadium, relatively short drive from the Denver Illuminati airport and plenty of craft beer and cannabis.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
(01-22-2022 07:09 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 06:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Demographics on their side, Colorado is a fast-growing state and has been for years. I don't think the PAC would have any interest though as long as they have the Buffaloes, but CSU makes a lot of sense to me if the Big XII does expand further after Texas & Oklahoma leave.

The folks moving to Colorado from California aren’t likely going to have kids who play football, but, yes, CSU would easily fit into the new Big XII. Great college town, brand new football stadium, relatively short drive from the Denver Illuminati airport and plenty of craft beer and cannabis.

Take note, Big 12.

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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
(01-22-2022 06:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Demographics on their side, Colorado is a fast-growing state and has been for years. I don't think the PAC would have any interest though as long as they have the Buffaloes, but CSU makes a lot of sense to me if the Big XII does expand further after Texas & Oklahoma leave.

The PAC has had closely paired schools for a long time. CSU and Colorado would work well. Add UNLV to sort of pair with Utah and you add a great destination city to the conference as well.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
I wonder where Colorado State would be today had Tom Jurich stayed there instead of going to Louisville.

Colorado State was supposed to be what Utah was in the first decade of the century but somehow they didn’t live to the expectations. If you’re a school president in the Big XII, there’s many things to like about Colorado State from academics to location to on campus facilities and a bridge to BYU.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
(01-22-2022 07:31 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 06:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Demographics on their side, Colorado is a fast-growing state and has been for years. I don't think the PAC would have any interest though as long as they have the Buffaloes, but CSU makes a lot of sense to me if the Big XII does expand further after Texas & Oklahoma leave.

The PAC has had closely paired schools for a long time. CSU and Colorado would work well. Add UNLV to sort of pair with Utah and you add a great destination city to the conference as well.

That is a good point, their network is even structured that way isn't it? And I guess things are different now, Mizzou-A&M and Maryland-Rutgers to get into totally new markets was LAST big round of realignment.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
Institutionally a definite yes. Financially they are in a better position than anyone in G5 except maybe SMU. Were they are short is performance and fan enthusiasm.

Put another way if Basketball makes the tournament a couple times in the next few years and Football puts together some back to back 10 win seasons, then they would be on the short list for anyone looking at G5 schools. They would not be suffering any questions about the institution which schools like UNLV, Memphis or Boise State face.

But it doesn't matter if the autonomous conferences are not expanding, as they are the gatekeepers. Timing matters. Not only must you be acceptable academically, you have to be highly competitive at the exact moment when the power conferences are looking.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
Im not sure.

How would they rank compared to Boise St, San Diego St, SMU, Memphis or USF?
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
No.

Only two conferences possibly have the brands needed to subsidize at the level needed for CSU- SEC and BIG. Maybe only the SEC. For example, if for some reason the SEC wanted USF tbe the second Florida school due to better expansion of the footprint, USF soon reaches parity with FSU. The SEC is the kingmaker in football. But they have no need to “buy low” like the other P5’s
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
I feel like Colorado St is that program that probably should have gotten their crap together 2 decades ago and gotten themselves into a major conference but never worked up the gumption to actually do it.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
It depends on how many spots are left.

The number could be anywhere from 0 (no further expansion) to 32+ (if all P5 go to 20 and no conference is eliminated, plus backfills).

Assuming SEC is done at 16 (though Kansas, UNC, Duke, NC state, UVA, VT, FSU, Clemson, and ND could all be on the table, or even say Michigan/Ohio State if they go to 24):

If the Big 10 goes to 16 with say Kansas/ND

then the Big 12 would need 5 spots to get to 16. I could easily see CSU, Memphis, USF, SMU and SDSU being the 5.

If the PAC wanted to expand I think CSU is a shoo in for a spot somewhere, since that would mean 7-9 total spots.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
No. Their football program has been trash in the Mountain West.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
(01-22-2022 05:34 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Good location and seems to have started putting money into their facilities. Would have to be the PAC or Big 12.

If Colorado State moves conferences, it will likely be the following conferences.

American Athletic: 50% Chance
Pac 12: 25%
Big 12: 25%
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
I'd say yes. I'd think they get into the Pac 12. It adds a rivalry game to the conference schedule plus it frees up ooc scheduling for both Colorado and Colorado State to schedule other schools. Assuming the PAC 12 goes to 14 and wanted 1 outlier per division then it's either Colorado State or Utah State to the Pac 12 south.
PAC 14 North
Washington State
Washington
Oregon
Oregon State
California
Stanford
Boise State (or Hawaii all sports to work week zero)

PAC 14 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah
Utah State or Colorado State

It would make traveling easier kinda with at least a solid pair of teams. I'd think Boise State might be the best other option available unless they go with Fresno State or San Jose to the North.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
(01-23-2022 01:32 AM)46566 Wrote:  I'd say yes. I'd think they get into the Pac 12. It adds a rivalry game to the conference schedule plus it frees up ooc scheduling for both Colorado and Colorado State to schedule other schools. Assuming the PAC 12 goes to 14 and wanted 1 outlier per division then it's either Colorado State or Utah State to the Pac 12 south.
PAC 14 North
Washington State
Washington
Oregon
Oregon State
California
Stanford
Boise State (or Hawaii all sports to work week zero)

PAC 14 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah
Utah State or Colorado State

It would make traveling easier kinda with at least a solid pair of teams. I'd think Boise State might be the best other option available unless they go with Fresno State or San Jose to the North.

PAC 16 in this scenario would be able to include

PAC 16 North
Boise State
Hawaii

PAC 16 South
Utah State
Colorado State

The PAC has had a history of pairing schools from the same state...same region (Cal/Stanford,UCLA/USC)...and adjacent states (UT/CO)...the above scenario would fit into the PAC pairing scheme...
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
If the PAC wanted to add MWC schools. I think they’d add Boise State, San Diego State, UNLV & New Mexico or Fresno State before they add Utah State or Colorado State.
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
Do they have an $80 million budget, and are they okay being a taxable for-profit institution?
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RE: Does Colorado State have what it takes to get into a P5 conference?
(01-22-2022 06:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Demographics on their side, Colorado is a fast-growing state and has been for years. I don't think the PAC would have any interest though as long as they have the Buffaloes, but CSU makes a lot of sense to me if the Big XII does expand further after Texas & Oklahoma leave.

One question for CSU was will the XII ever look west for members. That is no longer a question as they've added BYU. CSU can now fill a geographic hole for the XII just like Cincinnati does between WVU and the great plains schools.

CSU I think fits in well culturally too with ISU, KSU, OSU as a land grant school. There is chemistry and the same could be said for Memphis in a basketball conference with the XII schools. Those would be my 2 picks for the XII.

Others in contention:

-Boise St has credibility issues and is even further away than BYU.

-SMU might have some issues getting into the XII as they already have 4 Texas universities.

-USF would have to dominate the AAC to become back in the conversation. I place the chances of that at 25%.

-SDSU/UNLV could get into the PAC if the B1G takes the California schools.
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