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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
(01-22-2022 03:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 03:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(01-22-2022 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.

And do what with Football?

UConn has repeatedly said its not getting out of the D-IA Football business. Would staying in the Big East and remaining indy in Football be a better option (in UConn's mind, anyway) than joining up with the ACC left-behinds?

Not saying you're right or you're wrong, just asking the question

FWIW, I considered that when I made my post. I think they'd rather keep football independent and remain in the Big East than join the rump ACC, if that rump ACC was not a power conference, which I do not think it would be.


The hypothetical membership lineup PeteTheChop presented — even if not "power" in football — would definitely be power in hoops. And it would offer UConn football a home and UConn baseball a much better league than the BE. As such, UConn would, at the least, have to consider the invitation.

I agree they would give it strong consideration. We just disagree about what the results of those deliberations would be.

But I don't think we ever to have to worry about this, LOL.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
(01-22-2022 03:23 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 03:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(01-22-2022 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.

And do what with Football?

UConn has repeatedly said its not getting out of the D-IA Football business. Would staying in the Big East and remaining indy in Football be a better option (in UConn's mind, anyway) than joining up with the ACC left-behinds?

Not saying you're right or you're wrong, just asking the question

FWIW, I considered that when I made my post. I think they'd rather keep football independent and remain in the Big East than join the rump ACC, if that rump ACC was not a power conference, which I do not think it would be.

IMO, an ACC with those teams mentioned in the OP wouldn't be close to dropping from the top tier of college athletics — even if (like now) the SEC and B1G were on a higher plane.

A league with UConn, Louisville, Cuse, Cincy and Memphis (yeah, I know) would clearly be a Top 6 basketball conference — and higher some years.

We just disagree about the bolded. IMO, this lineup is basically the same lineup that was derided as the "Big Least" in the late 2000s. It's similar to the 2004-2012 Big East with a couple new schools that don't (UCF, Memphis) move the needle.

The one thing it does have is Miami, but IMO Miami has diminished such that it can't anchor a P5 by itself any more.

Beyond that, sure, this would definitely be a major hoops league, but IMO hoops league status doesn't determine P5. Football does that.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
(01-22-2022 03:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(01-22-2022 03:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 02:58 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.

And do what with Football?

UConn has repeatedly said its not getting out of the D-IA Football business. Would staying in the Big East and remaining indy in Football be a better option (in UConn's mind, anyway) than joining up with the ACC left-behinds?

Not saying you're right or you're wrong, just asking the question

FWIW, I considered that when I made my post. I think they'd rather keep football independent and remain in the Big East than join the rump ACC, if that rump ACC was not a power conference, which I do not think it would be.

IMO, an ACC with those teams mentioned in the OP wouldn't be close to dropping from the top tier of college athletics — even if (like now) the SEC and B1G were on a higher plane.

A league with UConn, Louisville, Cuse, Cincy and Memphis (yeah, I know) would clearly be a Top 6 basketball conference — and higher some years.

We just disagree about the bolded. IMO, this lineup is basically the same lineup that was derided as the "Big Least" in the late 2000s. It's similar to the 2004-2012 Big East with a couple new schools that don't (UCF, Memphis) move the needle.

The one thing it does have is Miami, but IMO Miami has diminished such that it can't anchor a P5 by itself any more.

Beyond that, sure, this would definitely be a major hoops league, but IMO hoops league status doesn't determine P5. Football does that.

But, Quo, this would be a football league that UConn would be very well suited for on various levels. Just being in a respectable football league alone would be hugely enticing. Women's basketball in this hypothetical league would be better (and likely considerably better) than Big East women's hoops, which currently offers only two programs (UConn and DePaul) of note. And for baseball ... no comparison.

Plus, this league would offer primarily public universities.

I would contend this is the EXACTLY the type all-sports league UConn privately seeks.

Again, if this hypothetical league is "sufficiently power" in football (i.e., has autonomy), UConn leaves the Big East immediately. If not, UConn still has to strongly consider changing conference homes.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
With this hypothetical league, I’m gonna assume Clemson and Florida St. to the SEC. Big Ten answers with Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia Tech. At this point, I think Notre Dame bails for the Big East in Olympic sports with football fully independent or joins the SEC or Big Ten in a similar membership as they do with the ACC currently.

This leaves the ACC with 8 members so I think they add UCF, Cincinnati, and WVU. After that, I think it’s a fight for the last spot between Memphis, UCONN, Temple, and maybe USF, and I think the ACC chooses Memphis. People think UCONN picks the ACC over the Big East in the scenario in the OP, but I don’t think the ACC picks UCONN, and I don’t think any ACC members other than the members mentioned above leave. So I think the new ACC would look like this:

East:
Boston College
Miami
NC State
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West:
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
UCF
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
(01-22-2022 05:02 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  With this hypothetical league, I’m gonna assume Clemson and Florida St. to the SEC. Big Ten answers with Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia Tech. At this point, I think Notre Dame bails for the Big East in Olympic sports with football fully independent or joins the SEC or Big Ten in a similar membership as they do with the ACC currently.

This leaves the ACC with 8 members so I think they add UCF, Cincinnati, and WVU. After that, I think it’s a fight for the last spot between Memphis, UCONN, Temple, and maybe USF, and I think the ACC chooses Memphis. People think UCONN picks the ACC over the Big East in the scenario in the OP, but I don’t think the ACC picks UCONN, and I don’t think any ACC members other than the members mentioned above leave. So I think the new ACC would look like this:

East:
Boston College
Miami
NC State
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West:
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
UCF

I agree. Even considering only the teams listed in the OP, I believe that ten of them would decline to invite UConn and Temple (or anyone else) to join them. UCF is even iffy.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
If 8 teams vacated en masse and left the old Big East teams, my guess is UCONN stays where they are. So would WVA, UC, and UCF.

Pitt, Miami, Louisville and one more would likely go to the Big 12 in that scenario. Less bottom feeders than in the proposed frankenconference.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
(01-22-2022 01:16 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  (setting aside whether or not you think it's a possibility)

Remain in BIG EAST for Basketball and non-revenue sports and stay independent in Football
Butler
Connecticut
Creighton
DePaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier

or

Join reconfigured ACC for all sports, including Football
Boston College
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Pitt
Syracuse
Temple
UCF
USF
West Virginia

Which would be the better option for UConn and, again, which do you think UConn would ultimately select if in a position to choose?

Not sure which UConn would chose, but deep down in my heart, I have to believe that some way, somehow Miami (FL) stays with the big boys. The new state of the art indoor practice stadium, the presence of several wealthy donors who can finally take advantage of the NIL now, OB2 possibly on the way,..I just don't see Miami getting left out. To me, they are the "East Coast" version of Stanford, and I mean that in a good way. And I agree that Miami basketball is definitely underrated.
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(01-23-2022 12:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Not sure which UConn would chose, but deep down in my heart, I have to believe that some way, somehow Miami (FL) stays with the big boys. The new state of the art indoor practice stadium, the presence of several wealthy donors who can finally take advantage of the NIL now, OB2 possibly on the way,..I just don't see Miami getting left out. To me, they are the "East Coast" version of Stanford, and I mean that in a good way. And I agree that Miami basketball is definitely underrated.

Miami will definitely stay with the big boys. They will never be in a conference such as listed in this thread. That conference will never happen, but if it did it would still be top level of competition.

However, Stanford is (by admission rates) the most difficult school in the country to get into. They won't even publish their admission rates since they are so abysmal and they don't want to discourage applicants. Miami is not the Stanford of the east coast. They could argue they are the Stanford of Florida.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
UConn would join the latter league. Its basketball would be in a major league with former Big East rivals (Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College, Louisville, etc.). It would also allow UConn to play in a major football league (not on the level of the SEC or B1G but still the premier league in the northeast).

To those who say a depleted ACC would not entertain UConn, I will politely say you are wrong. UConn might be bad at football now but they are good at just about everything else (academics, location for the ACC, m/w basketball, Olympic sports). Also, remember that when UConn was in a power football league in their geographic area (the BE), they were a top-50 program. As a certain Frank the Tank says, think like a university president, not a fan.

The reality is in this fantasy league there is a strong possibility USF doesn't get an invite and UCF might not if Miami is involved.
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this scenario s basically the conference that would have existed had there been a split in 2005 instead of an ACC raid. plus, UCF and Memphis. Follow up question is had Miami and the others stayed and the FB schools split from the non fb, could they have had the allure to grab a couple of other schools from the P5?
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
(01-22-2022 01:16 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  (setting aside whether or not you think it's a possibility)

Remain in BIG EAST for Basketball and non-revenue sports and stay independent in Football
Butler
Connecticut
Creighton
DePaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier

or

Join reconfigured ACC for all sports, including Football
Boston College
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Pitt
Syracuse
Temple
UCF
USF
West Virginia

Which would be the better option for UConn and, again, which do you think UConn would ultimately select if in a position to choose?

I doubt UConn would leave the BE for option #2. That isn’t the ACC, it is a conglomerate for old BE schools who UConn was mostly least interested in playing. UConn is a bball first school that has already demonstrated that it is willing to screw football in order to make its basketball coaches and fans happy. IMO, UConn would choose to stay with the CYO league and play it’s conference tournament in MSG over a reconstituted shell of an ACC playing a tournament where ever.
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I know it’s hypothetical but I just can’t imagine the ACC with no NC schools.

That’s like the Big East with no Catholic schools, the Big Ten with no midwestern schools, and the Big 12 with no Texas schools.
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(01-24-2022 06:12 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 01:16 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  (setting aside whether or not you think it's a possibility)

Remain in BIG EAST for Basketball and non-revenue sports and stay independent in Football
Butler
Connecticut
Creighton
DePaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier

or

Join reconfigured ACC for all sports, including Football
Boston College
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Pitt
Syracuse
Temple
UCF
USF
West Virginia

Which would be the better option for UConn and, again, which do you think UConn would ultimately select if in a position to choose?

I doubt UConn would leave the BE for option #2. That isn’t the ACC, it is a conglomerate for old BE schools who UConn was mostly least interested in playing. UConn is a bball first school that has already demonstrated that it is willing to screw football in order to make its basketball coaches and fans happy. IMO, UConn would choose to stay with the CYO league and play it’s conference tournament in MSG over a reconstituted shell of an ACC playing a tournament where ever.

Hypothetically, if UConn stayed in the Big East and turned down a chance to join the below league (assuming its winner gets an automatic bid in the future football playoff) ... then UConn may as well drop football or reclassify the sport to FCS.

Boston College
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Pitt
Syracuse
Temple
UCF
USF
West Virginia
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(01-22-2022 08:24 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  If 8 teams vacated en masse and left the old Big East teams, my guess is UCONN stays where they are. So would WVA, UC, and UCF.

Pitt, Miami, Louisville and one more would likely go to the Big 12 in that scenario. Less bottom feeders than in the proposed frankenconference.

Yep, if the ACC loses its most valued brands, it’s not surviving. UConn is in a tough spot

The ACC is already well below the BIG and SEC. This year is a preview of what life is like without Clemson, FSU, UNC et…ESPN is not paying to keep a conference together that had lower ratings for its conference title game than the American conference.

People with only the fan mindset will struggle with the conference name, but ACC dissolution would occur and most would land in the conference comprised of Big 12 and ACC leftovers.

If you’re BC/Wake/Syracuse/Pitt you’re hoping KU gets a P2 invite soon and/or you’re likely willing to take less in order to reopen the current ACC tv deal to get WVU asap. It won’t save the current ACC, likely just expedites departures, but it gives you a better chance of being in the conference of leftovers.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
If the reconfigured ACC is still some type of power conference, I think UConn would take the ACC. If it's not. Say it's the best league left behind when the top 60 schools go pro and there's not a big windfall of money to be made, I'm not sure. I find that ACC very attractive from a basketball standpoint but the UConn administration and Fans may feel that the Big East is more attractive since at this point football is expendable anyway.

Is it worth it to be in a league with BC and Cuse again or are the current BE schools more attractive. I don't know. I also don't know if the $50 million dollar buy out that UConn would owe if they joined a P5 league would still be in effect or even a deterrent.
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(01-24-2022 08:04 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I know it’s hypothetical but I just can’t imagine the ACC with no NC schools.

That’s like the Big East with no Catholic schools, the Big Ten with no midwestern schools, and the Big 12 with no Texas schools.

(01-25-2022 01:42 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  Yep, if the ACC loses its most valued brands, it’s not surviving. UConn is in a tough spot

The ACC is already well below the BIG and SEC. This year is a preview of what life is like without Clemson, FSU, UNC et…ESPN is not paying to keep a conference together that had lower ratings for its conference title game than the American conference.

People with only the fan mindset will struggle with the conference name, but ACC dissolution would occur and most would land in the conference comprised of Big 12 and ACC leftovers.

If you’re BC/Wake/Syracuse/Pitt you’re hoping KU gets a P2 invite soon and/or you’re likely willing to take less in order to reopen the current ACC tv deal to get WVU asap. It won’t save the current ACC, likely just expedites departures, but it gives you a better chance of being in the conference of leftovers.

Can you imagine a Big 12 without Texas and Oklahoma? If I asked you back in 2010, without Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, or Missouri? The 2025 (possibly earlier) Big 12 will literally have half of its original members. If the Big 12 can survive without Texas and Oklahoma, the ACC can survive without the Carolina schools. Or maybe both should change their names? There was a pretty long period when the Big East was without Syracuse and Connecticut (before UConn came back) and half the conference wasn't "East" (now 5/11 of the conference isn't). How about Conference USA? I believe Southern Miss and UAB were the only two original 1995 members and both are leaving. Maybe they should change their name too?
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(01-24-2022 08:04 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I know it’s hypothetical but I just can’t imagine the ACC with no NC schools.

That’s like the Big East with no Catholic schools, the Big Ten with no midwestern schools, and the Big 12 with no Texas schools.

Good point about no N.C. schools. Where did Wake Forest go in this scenario? Did they just give up sports?

I also wonder what happened to Baylor, TCU, OSU, Houston, and Texas Tech. They aren’t all getting in somewhere else.

Seems to me there is a better conference just floating in the ether than the worst possible ACC doomsday conference proposed here.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
The only implausible part of the premise is Wake Forest not being in the left behind.

FSU and Clemson to SEC.

GT, UNC, Duke, UVA to B1G.

I think this is not only plausible but likely barring a significant course correction.
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(01-25-2022 08:57 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The only implausible part of the premise is Wake Forest not being in the left behind.

FSU and Clemson to SEC.

GT, UNC, Duke, UVA to B1G.

I think this is not only plausible but likely barring a significant course correction.

Where are NC State and Va Tech?

The scenario only has 5 ACC leftovers. If down to 5, the Big 12 is more desirable to WVU, UC, and UCF as well as any of the 5 ACC leftovers.

This conference is not plausible at all.
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RE: Which option would UConn choose?
(01-25-2022 09:09 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  
(01-25-2022 08:57 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The only implausible part of the premise is Wake Forest not being in the left behind.

FSU and Clemson to SEC.

GT, UNC, Duke, UVA to B1G.

I think this is not only plausible but likely barring a significant course correction.

Where are NC State and Va Tech?

The scenario only has 5 ACC leftovers. If down to 5, the Big 12 is more desirable to WVU, UC, and UCF as well as any of the 5 ACC leftovers.

This conference is not plausible at all.
Meant to reply to the Buckeye post.

If the ACC loses just that 6 school nucleus, it’s the new-new Big East. And it’s a toss-up whether a schools would join the New-BigXII or that new Big East. Same as if the B1G took UW, UO, and the CA schools from the PAC. Would Colorado State look to slide into any vacancy in the BigXII or jump on reconstituting the PAC? The reconstituted ACC, BigXII, and PAC minus their blue bloods would all be roughly equivalent destinations.
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