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Future of college athletics
I assume it will survive but will be totally different in the coming years. I read where the Alabama quarterback made an estimated 1.8 million this year through the NIL. It is rumored that Texas A & M set up 30 million dollars in NIL payments to garner what has been called the "best recruiting class ever". I was already concerned that we would lose any player that develops into a "star" due to the "free" transfer rule. Now P5 schools cannot only offer that player "fame" and national TV exposure but can promise them guaranteed money through an NIL deal. I haven't heard a lot about huge money deals for basketball players yet, but I'm sure it's happening already and will only get worse. Don't think there are oil men in Texas or horse owners in Lexington who will pay basketball players big money to "advertise" whatever they are selling? It won't be long until players are simply paid salaries, at the big programs, without having to play games with the NIL. It's at that point that I will become a fan of DIII programs. How far is the drive to Hendrix from West Little Rock?
01-22-2022 11:41 AM
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I guess it could be argued that the NIL could work in our favor once we get our overall athletic department financial situation stabilized. There are certainly a lot more businesses, who might be willing to pay athletes through an NIL deal, in Little Rock than there are in Martin TN, Morehead KY, Cape Girardeau MO, etc. I guess we'll see.
01-22-2022 11:45 AM
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If it gets into a bidding war, the little guys will lose. I am already switching my attention to D3 and NAIA.
01-22-2022 12:15 PM
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(01-22-2022 11:45 AM)mjs Wrote:  I guess it could be argued that the NIL could work in our favor once we get our overall athletic department financial situation stabilized. There are certainly a lot more businesses, who might be willing to pay athletes through an NIL deal, in Little Rock than there are in Martin TN, Morehead KY, Cape Girardeau MO, etc. I guess we'll see.

First of all, I don’t see many businesses that would be interested in Little Rock players for an NIL deal. Heck, the vast majority of Little Rock citizens wouldn’t even recognize who LR players are. But that being said, I think fans like you and me will gravitate even more to the mid major level of college athletics where legalized payoffs of players won’t usually happen. The Power Conferences are going to be (maybe already are) almost indistinguishable from professional athletics, and I like college athletics more when it is really like college amateur non-pro stuff that it used to be!
01-22-2022 12:22 PM
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(01-22-2022 12:22 PM)PTJR Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 11:45 AM)mjs Wrote:  I guess it could be argued that the NIL could work in our favor once we get our overall athletic department financial situation stabilized. There are certainly a lot more businesses, who might be willing to pay athletes through an NIL deal, in Little Rock than there are in Martin TN, Morehead KY, Cape Girardeau MO, etc. I guess we'll see.

First of all, I don’t see many businesses that would be interested in Little Rock players for an NIL deal. Heck, the vast majority of Little Rock citizens wouldn’t even recognize who LR players are. But that being said, I think fans like you and me will gravitate even more to the mid major level of college athletics where legalized payoffs of players won’t usually happen. The Power Conferences are going to be (maybe already are) almost indistinguishable from professional athletics, and I like college athletics more when it is really like college amateur non-pro stuff that it used to be!

My interest in pro sports waned over the years as the salaries became more ridiculous. The days of athletes staying with one team, for most of their careers, ended long ago replaced by the search for a big pay day. I used to pull for a team because I felt like I knew and liked the players, not just the name on the front of the jersey. The names always changed quicker for college teams as they only played for 4 years at most. But now the days of a kid staying at one school, for 4 years, is becoming a thing of the past. I'll continue to support midmajor college sports if it doesn't change too much, but already have little interest in the "big time", "professional" college teams that dominate at this point in time.
01-22-2022 02:23 PM
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Remember the days when Stan the Man WAS Cardinal baseball?
01-22-2022 02:38 PM
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(01-22-2022 02:38 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  Remember the days when Stan the Man WAS Cardinal baseball?

Or Yaz was the Red Sox?
Or Mantle was the Yankees?

The good ole days.
01-22-2022 02:58 PM
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Here's the thing.

NIL is SUPPOSED to be an arm's length transaction between an entity outside the university that wishes to utilize the player's name, image, and likeness for commercial purposes.

It's clearly not headed that way. When someone says we are going to pay $150,000 a year to any offensive lineman that signs with this school, the player's name, image, and likeness are not what they are seeking to use, rather it is an offer for football services.

If we are going to pay for football services, then the money should flow through the university and include employee benefits and worker's compensation protection.
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(01-26-2022 07:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here's the thing.

NIL is SUPPOSED to be an arm's length transaction between an entity outside the university that wishes to utilize the player's name, image, and likeness for commercial purposes.

It's clearly not headed that way. When someone says we are going to pay $150,000 a year to any offensive lineman that signs with this school, the player's name, image, and likeness are not what they are seeking to use, rather it is an offer for football services.

If we are going to pay for football services, then the money should flow through the university and include employee benefits and worker's compensation protection.

It's a total sham. The big schools should just start paying players' salaries and be done with it. Not sure what happens on the midmajor level. Not sure it really matters. The big schools were getting the best players anyway. This won't change that- they'll just be getting money "legally". The next level of talent will go the midmajors who can pay and then funnel down to those who can't.
01-26-2022 09:26 PM
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Generally speaking, money corrupts whatever it touches. That was the theory behind preserving amateur athletics, which was mostly in the college system. Europe seems to have avoided that by using the club system, and academic institutions are largely unconnected with competitive athletics. If we would just let kids go pro as soon as they want to go pro, it would be a large step in the right direction. Make money if you want to make money, but don't make it by playing for an academic institution.
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(01-22-2022 02:23 PM)mjs Wrote:  My interest in pro sports waned over the years as the salaries became more ridiculous.

Big salaries and steroids killed me to MLB, which was the last pro sport I followed. Now that major college athletics has turned into virtually the same thing, I am rapidly losing interest in it. I have started following NAIA and D-III. The skill level is much lower, but the kids play for the love of the sport.
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(01-26-2022 09:26 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-26-2022 07:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here's the thing.

NIL is SUPPOSED to be an arm's length transaction between an entity outside the university that wishes to utilize the player's name, image, and likeness for commercial purposes.

It's clearly not headed that way. When someone says we are going to pay $150,000 a year to any offensive lineman that signs with this school, the player's name, image, and likeness are not what they are seeking to use, rather it is an offer for football services.

If we are going to pay for football services, then the money should flow through the university and include employee benefits and worker's compensation protection.

It's a total sham. The big schools should just start paying players' salaries and be done with it. Not sure what happens on the midmajor level. Not sure it really matters. The big schools were getting the best players anyway. This won't change that- they'll just be getting money "legally". The next level of talent will go the midmajors who can pay and then funnel down to those who can't.

As long as the roster limits remain, the talent trickle down will remain.
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(01-27-2022 10:41 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 02:23 PM)mjs Wrote:  My interest in pro sports waned over the years as the salaries became more ridiculous.

Big salaries and steroids killed me to MLB, which was the last pro sport I followed. Now that major college athletics has turned into virtually the same thing, I am rapidly losing interest in it. I have started following NAIA and D-III. The skill level is much lower, but the kids play for the love of the sport.

I basically feel the same way. I have been able to continue supporting LR athletics because I believed it remained reasonably untouched by the money, greed, and corruption in major college athletics. For, the most part I still believe it to be true. I really don't follow "big-time" college basketball, although I turn on Kansas, occasionally, so I can talk about it with my son who is a grad and big fan. At this point, I couldn't even name a big-time college player- maybe they have all left for the NBA early or went straight to the G-League or Europe. Not really any teams I can identify with either, as players either transfer or go pro, and there is little continuity in programs. Players sharing in the money that previously all went to coaches or athletic departments is probably the "right" thing, but it is ruining the college sports I used to love. I guess I just have to get used to it or find something else to do in my free time.
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The thing about intercollegiate athletics is there are many sports with a professional analogue. Golf, tennis, skiing, hockey, soccer, baseball, beach volleyball, track and field, just off the top of my head.

In only NFL, NBA and I presume G-League and WNBA, do the leagues via their collective bargaining agreement bar signing players until a year or more has elapsed since leaving high school. In many of those sports you can go pro when you are in junior high school.

Yet it is the NCAA and the colleges that get blamed because Joe Superstar has to go through the motions of being a student for a year in basketball or three years in football.

Basketball would be well served if top players had a pro alternative though I suspect a G-League option would seem peanuts compared to what the folks like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas will shell out via straw man NIL deals and it will take being drafted to lure players out.
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(01-27-2022 10:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The thing about intercollegiate athletics is there are many sports with a professional analogue. Golf, tennis, skiing, hockey, soccer, baseball, beach volleyball, track and field, just off the top of my head.

In only NFL, NBA and I presume G-League and WNBA, do the leagues via their collective bargaining agreement bar signing players until a year or more has elapsed since leaving high school. In many of those sports you can go pro when you are in junior high school.

Yet it is the NCAA and the colleges that get blamed because Joe Superstar has to go through the motions of being a student for a year in basketball or three years in football.

Basketball would be well served if top players had a pro alternative though I suspect a G-League option would seem peanuts compared to what the folks like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas will shell out via straw man NIL deals and it will take being drafted to lure players out.

That's a great point. The G-League and even European teams won't be able to match the deals colleges will soon put together for the top talent. The only question is, when will they eliminate "farce" of having to attend classes. Certainly the "one and done's" don't come close to completing a year of college as they are off to pre-draft camps long before the Spring semester ends.
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