(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  When the AAC settled in with its final membership after all the defections, it looked to be a power conference in hoops; one of the best in the country. A league with UCONN, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Wichita, Houston and a Larry Brown SMU never developed into much more than the A-10. Now this year limping to a probable 1 bid in the NCAA’s. Now 3 more of the best schools are leaving and 6 all around awful programs are joining. Is the AAC a 1 bid conference for good going forward?

Well this was timely....

(01-21-2022 05:45 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Idk as there was a lot of individual program underachievement. There is plenty of space for programs to build consistent success though.

1) UConn - Achieved Only real National championship for AAC in a major sport



2) Cincinnati - So-So achievement. Did what was expected under Cronin. Garbage under Brannen. Don’t foresee us not making the tourney many years under Wes. Doesn’t matter though. Gone
3) Houston - Overachieved. Gone
4) Temple - Underachieved. Will they ever get back to level with new coach? Staying. Not sure.
5) Memphis - Underachieved. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better. Penny or new coach?
6) Wichita- Downhill trend since joining. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better.

(01-22-2022 07:07 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  When the AAC settled in with its final membership after all the defections, it looked to be a power conference in hoops; one of the best in the country. A league with UCONN, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Wichita, Houston and a Larry Brown SMU never developed into much more than the A-10. Now this year limping to a probable 1 bid in the NCAA’s. Now 3 more of the best schools are leaving and 6 all around awful programs are joining. Is the AAC a 1 bid conference for good going forward?

Well this was timely....

You mean based on how well ECU played Houston in the first half today? 30-4 deficit is no shame. Houston has a damn fine squad and the boys even started taking it to the coogs after halftime

(01-21-2022 10:43 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  When the AAC settled in with its final membership after all the defections, it looked to be a power conference in hoops; one of the best in the country.

That's clearly not the case, since the Big East, which had been a BCS conference - the equivalent of today's "power conferences" - was the only former BCS conference that did not make it into the "P5" in 2014.

After Louisville left, and before Wichita State joined, the AAC wasn't considered a power conference. It didn't start to be widely referred to as a "Major 7" conf. until Wichita State joined in 2017-18 (e.g., the AAC was ranked #8, behind the A-10 in 2014 and 2015).

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  A league with UCONN, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Wichita, Houston and a Larry Brown SMU never developed into much more than the A-10.

Actually, it did after Wichita State joined. Since then, the AAC has been one of the "Major 7" D1 conferences in the country, making it one of the 7 best.

"Adding Wichita State means the AAC must now be counted as a 'Major 7' conference"

Matt Norlander (CBS Sports). Nov. 1, 2017

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...onference/

The AAC has sent an average of 3 teams per year to the NCAA tournament, before and after 2017, and earned more NCAA bids in 2018 and 2019, combined, than the PAC-12 did.

The AAC has moved ahead of the A-10 in the rankings. The A-10 is currently the #10th-ranked conference. The AAC is #7.

https://masseyratings.com/cb/arch/compare2022-9.htm

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Now this year limping to a probable 1 bid in the NCAA’s.

It can be proven mathematically that this is not an accurate statement (see below). All we can say at this point that it's possible that the AAC will be a 1-bid conference.

The only way for the AAC to be a 1-bid conference would be if Houston wins the AAC tournament and no AAC team earns an at-large bid.

Historically, that has only happened 50% of the time in AAC history.

In six years when there was a single AAC regular season champion, the regular season champion of the AAC only earned a NCAA automatic bid as the AAC tournament championship three times.

This suggests that there is an approximately 50% chance that a team other than Houston will earn an auto-bid by winning the AAC tournament championship.

The probability rises above 50% when one notes the possibility that above and beyond the possibility of an AAC tourney champ other than UH, there may in addition be a 45% or 50% chance that a team such as SMU or Cincinnati will win an at-large bid.

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SMU just won their 14th game, and is currently ranked #57 in the NET. They have won 77.8% of their games. If they continue to win 75% of their games, they would finish with 24 wins or the % equivalent, making them a probable at-large team.

Cincy is close behind with 13 wins, so they've also got a shot at an at-large bid.

Moreover, there are at least 3 or 4 teams that could get hot and win the AAC championship.

Thus, the AAC could be a 1-, 2-, or 3-bid conference this year.

If the probability of a team other than Houston winning the AAC tourney is 50% and the probability of a team other than Houston winning an at-large bid is 50%, that means that the probability of a team other than Houston earning either an automatic bid or an at-large bid would be approximately 75%.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It can be shown mathematically that this would bring the probability of more than one AAC bid above 50%:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

p(A u B) = p(A) + p(B) - (p A * p B)

p(auto or at-large bid) = p (auto bid) + p (at-large bid) - (p (auto & at-large bid)

p (auto or at-large bid) = (.50 +.50) - (.50 * .50) = 1.0 - .25 = .75 (=75%)

If the probability of a team other than Houston winning the AAC tourney is 40% and the probability of a team other than Houston winning an at-large bid is 40%, that means that the probability of a team other than Houston earning either an automatic bid or an at-large bid would be approximately

p(A u B) = p(A) + p(B) - (p A * pB)

p(auto or at-large bid) = p (auto bid) + p (at-large bid) - (p (auto & at-large bid)

p (auto or at-large bid) = (.40 +.40) - (.40 * .40) = .80 - .16 = .64 (=64%)

In either case, there would be more than a 50% likelihood that the AAC would earn more than one NCAA bid.

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(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Now this year limping to a probable 1 bid in the NCAA’s. Now 3 more of the best schools are leaving and 6 all around awful programs are joining. Is the AAC a 1 bid conference for good going forward?

There's no accounting for taste, and "awful" may be in the eye of the beholder.

However the way they have played in 2021-22, UTSA, UAB, and UNT can't be considered "all-around awful" unless 75% of the teams in the AAC are "all-around awful."

(#34) UTSA finished ahead of every AAC football team except Cincy and Houston in the final 2021 Massey Composite football rankings.

(#50) UAB finished the 2021 FB season ranked ahead of every AAC football team except Cincy, Houston, and SMU in the Massey Composite.

(#40) UAB and (#54) UNT are currently ranked ahead of every AAC basketball team except Houston in the NET.

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Does anyone read through all this dreck? Just curious

(01-22-2022 07:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 10:43 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  When the AAC settled in with its final membership after all the defections, it looked to be a power conference in hoops; one of the best in the country.

That's clearly not the case, since the Big East, which had been a BCS conference - the equivalent of today's "power conferences" - was the only former BCS conference that did not make it into the "P5" in 2014.

After Louisville left, and before Wichita State joined, the AAC wasn't considered a power conference. It didn't start to be widely referred to as a "Major 7" conf. until Wichita State joined in 2017-18 (e.g., the AAC was ranked #8, behind the A-10 in 2014 and 2015).

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  A league with UCONN, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Wichita, Houston and a Larry Brown SMU never developed into much more than the A-10.

Actually, it did after Wichita State joined. Since then, the AAC has been one of the "Major 7" D1 conferences in the country, making it one of the 7 best.

"Adding Wichita State means the AAC must now be counted as a 'Major 7' conference"

Matt Norlander (CBS Sports). Nov. 1, 2017

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...onference/

The AAC has sent an average of 3 teams per year to the NCAA tournament, before and after 2017, and earned more NCAA bids in 2018 and 2019, combined, than the PAC-12 did.

The AAC has moved ahead of the A-10 in the rankings. The A-10 is currently the #10th-ranked conference. The AAC is #7.

https://masseyratings.com/cb/arch/compare2022-9.htm

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Now this year limping to a probable 1 bid in the NCAA’s.

It can be proven mathematically that this is not an accurate statement (see below). All we can say at this point that it's possible that the AAC will be a 1-bid conference.

The only way for the AAC to be a 1-bid conference would be if Houston wins the AAC tournament and no AAC team earns an at-large bid.

Historically, that has only happened 50% of the time in AAC history.

In six years when there was a single AAC regular season champion, the regular season champion of the AAC only earned a NCAA automatic bid as the AAC tournament championship three times.

This suggests that there is an approximately 50% chance that a team other than Houston will earn an auto-bid by winning the AAC tournament championship.

The probability rises above 50% when one notes the possibility that above and beyond the possibility of an AAC tourney champ other than UH, there may in addition be a 45% or 50% chance that a team such as SMU or Cincinnati will win an at-large bid.

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SMU just won their 14th game, and is currently ranked #57 in the NET. They have won 77.8% of their games. If they continue to win 75% of their games, they would finish with 24 wins or the % equivalent, making them a probable at-large team.

Cincy is close behind with 13 wins, so they've also got a shot at an at-large bid.

Moreover, there are at least 3 or 4 teams that could get hot and win the AAC championship.

Thus, the AAC could be a 1-, 2-, or 3-bid conference this year.

If the probability of a team other than Houston winning the AAC tourney is 50% and the probability of a team other than Houston winning an at-large bid is 50%, that means that the probability of a team other than Houston earning either an automatic bid or an at-large bid would be approximately 75%.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It can be shown mathematically that this would bring the probability of more than one AAC bid above 50%:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

p(A u B) = p(A) + p(B) - (p A * p B)

p(auto or at-large bid) = p (auto bid) + p (at-large bid) - (p (auto & at-large bid)

p (auto or at-large bid) = (.50 +.50) - (.50 * .50) = 1.0 - .25 = .75 (=75%)

If the probability of a team other than Houston winning the AAC tourney is 40% and the probability of a team other than Houston winning an at-large bid is 40%, that means that the probability of a team other than Houston earning either an automatic bid or an at-large bid would be approximately

p(A u B) = p(A) + p(B) - (p A * pB)

p(auto or at-large bid) = p (auto bid) + p (at-large bid) - (p (auto & at-large bid)

p (auto or at-large bid) = (.40 +.40) - (.40 * .40) = .80 - .16 = .64 (=64%)

In either case, there would be more than a 50% likelihood that the AAC would earn more than one NCAA bid.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Now this year limping to a probable 1 bid in the NCAA’s. Now 3 more of the best schools are leaving and 6 all around awful programs are joining. Is the AAC a 1 bid conference for good going forward?

There's no accounting for taste, and "awful" may be in the eye of the beholder.

However the way they have played in 2021-22, UTSA, UAB, and UNT can't be considered "all-around awful" unless 75% of the teams in the AAC are "all-around awful."

(#34) UTSA finished ahead of every AAC football team except Cincy and Houston in the final 2021 Massey Composite football rankings.

(#50) UAB finished the 2021 FB season ranked ahead of every AAC football team except Cincy, Houston, and SMU in the Massey Composite.

(#40) UAB and (#54) UNT are currently ranked ahead of every AAC basketball team except Houston in the NET.

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Does anyone read through all this dreck? Just curious

I skimmed it. A few minor quibbles with the math but he got the right answer more or less.

And yeah, speaking of “more or less”, yes, there are some times when, as they say, “less is more”.

(01-22-2022 07:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 10:43 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  When the AAC settled in with its final membership after all the defections, it looked to be a power conference in hoops; one of the best in the country.

That's clearly not the case, since the Big East, which had been a BCS conference - the equivalent of today's "power conferences" - was the only former BCS conference that did not make it into the "P5" in 2014.

After Louisville left, and before Wichita State joined, the AAC wasn't considered a power conference. It didn't start to be widely referred to as a "Major 7" conf. until Wichita State joined in 2017-18 (e.g., the AAC was ranked #8, behind the A-10 in 2014 and 2015).

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  A league with UCONN, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Wichita, Houston and a Larry Brown SMU never developed into much more than the A-10.

Actually, it did after Wichita State joined. Since then, the AAC has been one of the "Major 7" D1 conferences in the country, making it one of the 7 best.

"Adding Wichita State means the AAC must now be counted as a 'Major 7' conference"

Matt Norlander (CBS Sports). Nov. 1, 2017

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...onference/

The AAC has sent an average of 3 teams per year to the NCAA tournament, before and after 2017, and earned more NCAA bids in 2018 and 2019, combined, than the PAC-12 did.

The AAC has moved ahead of the A-10 in the rankings. The A-10 is currently the #10th-ranked conference. The AAC is #7.

https://masseyratings.com/cb/arch/compare2022-9.htm

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Now this year limping to a probable 1 bid in the NCAA’s.

It can be proven mathematically that this is not an accurate statement (see below). All we can say at this point that it's possible that the AAC will be a 1-bid conference.

The only way for the AAC to be a 1-bid conference would be if Houston wins the AAC tournament and no AAC team earns an at-large bid.

Historically, that has only happened 50% of the time in AAC history.

In six years when there was a single AAC regular season champion, the regular season champion of the AAC only earned a NCAA automatic bid as the AAC tournament championship three times.

This suggests that there is an approximately 50% chance that a team other than Houston will earn an auto-bid by winning the AAC tournament championship.

The probability rises above 50% when one notes the possibility that above and beyond the possibility of an AAC tourney champ other than UH, there may in addition be a 45% or 50% chance that a team such as SMU or Cincinnati will win an at-large bid.

.

SMU just won their 14th game, and is currently ranked #57 in the NET. They have won 77.8% of their games. If they continue to win 75% of their games, they would finish with 24 wins or the % equivalent, making them a probable at-large team.

Cincy is close behind with 13 wins, so they've also got a shot at an at-large bid.

Moreover, there are at least 3 or 4 teams that could get hot and win the AAC championship.

Thus, the AAC could be a 1-, 2-, or 3-bid conference this year.

If the probability of a team other than Houston winning the AAC tourney is 50% and the probability of a team other than Houston winning an at-large bid is 50%, that means that the probability of a team other than Houston earning either an automatic bid or an at-large bid would be approximately 75%.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It can be shown mathematically that this would bring the probability of more than one AAC bid above 50%:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

p(A u B) = p(A) + p(B) - (p A * p B)

p(auto or at-large bid) = p (auto bid) + p (at-large bid) - (p (auto & at-large bid)

p (auto or at-large bid) = (.50 +.50) - (.50 * .50) = 1.0 - .25 = .75 (=75%)

If the probability of a team other than Houston winning the AAC tourney is 40% and the probability of a team other than Houston winning an at-large bid is 40%, that means that the probability of a team other than Houston earning either an automatic bid or an at-large bid would be approximately

p(A u B) = p(A) + p(B) - (p A * pB)

p(auto or at-large bid) = p (auto bid) + p (at-large bid) - (p (auto & at-large bid)

p (auto or at-large bid) = (.40 +.40) - (.40 * .40) = .80 - .16 = .64 (=64%)

In either case, there would be more than a 50% likelihood that the AAC would earn more than one NCAA bid.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Now this year limping to a probable 1 bid in the NCAA’s. Now 3 more of the best schools are leaving and 6 all around awful programs are joining. Is the AAC a 1 bid conference for good going forward?

There's no accounting for taste, and "awful" may be in the eye of the beholder.

However the way they have played in 2021-22, UTSA, UAB, and UNT can't be considered "all-around awful" unless 75% of the teams in the AAC are "all-around awful."

(#34) UTSA finished ahead of every AAC football team except Cincy and Houston in the final 2021 Massey Composite football rankings.

(#50) UAB finished the 2021 FB season ranked ahead of every AAC football team except Cincy, Houston, and SMU in the Massey Composite.

(#40) UAB and (#54) UNT are currently ranked ahead of every AAC basketball team except Houston in the NET.

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Does anyone read through all this dreck? Just curious

I follow the math equations. Algebra is welcome on here.

(01-21-2022 05:45 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Idk as there was a lot of individual program underachievement. There is plenty of space for programs to build consistent success though.

1) UConn - Underachieved. Gone
2) Cincinnati - So-So achievement. Did what was expected under Cronin. Garbage under Brannen. Don’t foresee us not making the tourney many years under Wes. Doesn’t matter though. Gone
3) Houston - Overachieved. Gone
4) Temple - Underachieved. Will they ever get back to level with new coach? Staying. Not sure.
5) Memphis - Underachieved. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better. Penny or new coach?
6) Wichita- Downhill trend since joining. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better.

UConn has revived itself in the Big East. Perhaps we saw the writing on the wall and bolted when the time was right. 5 Big East schools in the top 25. UConn is now a top 15 strength school. That would NEVER have happened in the AAC.

(01-26-2022 01:19 AM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:45 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Idk as there was a lot of individual program underachievement. There is plenty of space for programs to build consistent success though.

1) UConn - Underachieved. Gone
2) Cincinnati - So-So achievement. Did what was expected under Cronin. Garbage under Brannen. Don’t foresee us not making the tourney many years under Wes. Doesn’t matter though. Gone
3) Houston - Overachieved. Gone
4) Temple - Underachieved. Will they ever get back to level with new coach? Staying. Not sure.
5) Memphis - Underachieved. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better. Penny or new coach?
6) Wichita- Downhill trend since joining. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better.

UConn has revived itself in the Big East. Perhaps we saw the writing on the wall and bolted when the time was right. 5 Big East schools in the top 25. UConn is now a top 15 strength school. That would NEVER have happened in the AAC.

It could be luck but you are certainly in a better position with all the best hoops schools leaving and 6 all around awful CUSA programs enter. The AAC will be a 1 biddie league from there on out

(01-21-2022 06:17 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:45 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Idk as there was a lot of individual program underachievement. There is plenty of space for programs to build consistent success though.

1) UConn - Underachieved. Gone
2) Cincinnati - So-So achievement. Did what was expected under Cronin. Garbage under Brannen. Don’t foresee us not making the tourney many years under Wes. Doesn’t matter though. Gone
3) Houston - Overachieved. Gone
4) Temple - Underachieved. Will they ever get back to level with new coach? Staying. Not sure.
5) Memphis - Underachieved. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better. Penny or new coach?
6) Wichita- Downhill trend since joining. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better.

Agree on Memphis. However they could be gone. If Memphis leaves I see Wichita going back to the MVC. Attendance is going to take a hit with the 6 newbies coming into the conference.

Why would they go to MVC? Less money, less success than AAC. Loyola is leaving that conference. The MVC is in worse shape than the new AAC would be.

Because CUSA is a 1 biddie league and half of them are joining the AAC soon.

(01-26-2022 01:19 AM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:45 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Idk as there was a lot of individual program underachievement. There is plenty of space for programs to build consistent success though.

1) UConn - Underachieved. Gone
2) Cincinnati - So-So achievement. Did what was expected under Cronin. Garbage under Brannen. Don’t foresee us not making the tourney many years under Wes. Doesn’t matter though. Gone
3) Houston - Overachieved. Gone
4) Temple - Underachieved. Will they ever get back to level with new coach? Staying. Not sure.
5) Memphis - Underachieved. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better. Penny or new coach?
6) Wichita- Downhill trend since joining. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better.

UConn has revived itself in the Big East. Perhaps we saw the writing on the wall and bolted when the time was right. 5 Big East schools in the top 25. UConn is now a top 15 strength school. That would NEVER have happened in the AAC.

this isnt true--

the overwhelming majority fo your best players since joining the big east were aac recruited... bouknight, rj cole, polley, Isaiah Whaley, gaffney

sanogo and Martin are the only 2 notable players .. most of your touted "big east" recruits arent noteable players

sidenote: if you genuinely believe the part i bolded, then you dont think much of uconn-- sampson was asked about the big 12 move, and he flat said it nice for the fans but it means very little to the program...said "Houston is enough" and wasnt in need of a conference to prop it up...houston would thrive in the aac or big 12...

uconn fans belief that they couldnt be a top 15 team in the aac despite vastly out recruiting everyone is so nuts to me..

(01-26-2022 02:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:19 AM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:45 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Idk as there was a lot of individual program underachievement. There is plenty of space for programs to build consistent success though.

1) UConn - Underachieved. Gone
2) Cincinnati - So-So achievement. Did what was expected under Cronin. Garbage under Brannen. Don’t foresee us not making the tourney many years under Wes. Doesn’t matter though. Gone
3) Houston - Overachieved. Gone
4) Temple - Underachieved. Will they ever get back to level with new coach? Staying. Not sure.
5) Memphis - Underachieved. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better. Penny or new coach?
6) Wichita- Downhill trend since joining. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better.

UConn has revived itself in the Big East. Perhaps we saw the writing on the wall and bolted when the time was right. 5 Big East schools in the top 25. UConn is now a top 15 strength school. That would NEVER have happened in the AAC.

this isnt true--

the overwhelming majority fo your best players since joining the big east were aac recruited... bouknight, rj cole, polley, Isaiah Whaley, gaffney

sanogo and Martin are the only 2 notable players .. most of your touted "big east" recruits arent noteable players

sidenote: if you genuinely believe the part i bolded, then you dont think much of uconn-- sampson was asked about the big 12 move, and he flat said it nice for the fans but it means very little to the program...said "Houston is enough" and wasnt in need of a conference to prop it up...houston would thrive in the aac or big 12...

uconn fans belief that they couldnt be a top 15 team in the aac despite vastly out recruiting everyone is so nuts to me..

Come on….you say this now that you are going to the big 12. If ECU was going in your place you’d be despondent

UCONN was unique in the AAC situation. They were part of a mostly southern conference with no rivalries and no visiting fans. Houston was right at home with us: your CUSA peers.

(01-26-2022 02:47 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:19 AM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 05:45 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Idk as there was a lot of individual program underachievement. There is plenty of space for programs to build consistent success though.

1) UConn - Underachieved. Gone
2) Cincinnati - So-So achievement. Did what was expected under Cronin. Garbage under Brannen. Don’t foresee us not making the tourney many years under Wes. Doesn’t matter though. Gone
3) Houston - Overachieved. Gone
4) Temple - Underachieved. Will they ever get back to level with new coach? Staying. Not sure.
5) Memphis - Underachieved. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better. Penny or new coach?
6) Wichita- Downhill trend since joining. Staying. Too much support and likely will get better.

UConn has revived itself in the Big East. Perhaps we saw the writing on the wall and bolted when the time was right. 5 Big East schools in the top 25. UConn is now a top 15 strength school. That would NEVER have happened in the AAC.

this isnt true--

the overwhelming majority fo your best players since joining the big east were aac recruited... bouknight, rj cole, polley, Isaiah Whaley, gaffney

sanogo and Martin are the only 2 notable players .. most of your touted "big east" recruits arent noteable players

sidenote: if you genuinely believe the part i bolded, then you dont think much of uconn-- sampson was asked about the big 12 move, and he flat said it nice for the fans but it means very little to the program...said "Houston is enough" and wasnt in need of a conference to prop it up...houston would thrive in the aac or big 12...

uconn fans belief that they couldnt be a top 15 team in the aac despite vastly out recruiting everyone is so nuts to me..

Come on….you say this now that you are going to the big 12. If ECU was going in your place you’d be despondent

im meant the aac "as is"...
he said uconn could never be a top 15 in the aac..the version of the aac they left...

ive noted a few times that i worry about the new aac in basketball, becuase the bottom just got worse and bigger, and that puts the league further at risk of being a 1 bid league... that if Houston was still in the new aac, id be upset without promises of basketball investment from the new memberss (most notably fau and utsa who play in high school gyms)

and if Houston was forced to stay in the aac, i wouldn't be that despondent...im not sure you remember but there were heavy rumors from questionable sources that housotn had be eliminated from big 12 consideration 2 weeks before we were added, i wasn't that upset..and would hav accepted it if ture

i said this then... there is going to be a playoff spot for "the 6th ranked champions".. the path to the football playoff will be easier (for a competent program) from the aac than the big 12...
similarly for basketball, as long as the aac can maintain its multi-bid status... look at Houston this year..we've lost most of our preseason major players to injury, in the big 12 this year, we might be pushed to NIT, bubble team level (can beat us)...in the aac we are still a top 4 seed. because even weakened we can still beat the lot .. i care more about post-season achievements than regular season..better post season positing in te aac

youve known this as youve attacked me for note hating the aac numerous times

(01-26-2022 02:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCONN was unique in the AAC situation. They were part of a mostly southern conference with no rivalries and no visiting fans. Houston was right at home with us: your CUSA peers.

this is a good argument for fan support.... and little worth to a conversation about why they werent good with 4 and 5stars playing against 3stars and juco...
his point was that uconn is a top 15 quality basketball team...and that was impossible to do in the aac for uconn

(01-26-2022 03:05 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCONN was unique in the AAC situation. They were part of a mostly southern conference with no rivalries and no visiting fans. Houston was right at home with us: your CUSA peers.

this is a good argument for fan support.... and little worth to a conversation about why they werent good with 4 and 5stars playing against 3stars and juco...
his point was that uconn is a top 15 quality basketball team...and that was impossible to do in the aac for uconn

I'm here in Connecticut. While most of your point with some on the roster is true the atmosphere changed around here dramatically when the announcement of the move to the Big East happened. Kevin Ollie was one heck of a recruiter but not a good game coach. He won his championship with Jim Calhoun's players. Look at Memphis. All those great recruiting classes and what do they have to show for it? Congrats on the move to the B12. It's good for your university. Let's just hope it's better than what is happening with BCU, Pitt and 'Cuse.

(01-26-2022 09:24 AM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 03:05 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 02:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCONN was unique in the AAC situation. They were part of a mostly southern conference with no rivalries and no visiting fans. Houston was right at home with us: your CUSA peers.

this is a good argument for fan support.... and little worth to a conversation about why they werent good with 4 and 5stars playing against 3stars and juco...
his point was that uconn is a top 15 quality basketball team...and that was impossible to do in the aac for uconn

I'm here in Connecticut. While most of your point with some on the roster is true the atmosphere changed around here dramatically when the announcement of the move to the Big East happened. Kevin Ollie was one heck of a recruiter but not a good game coach. He won his championship with Jim Calhoun's players. Look at Memphis. All those great recruiting classes and what do they have to show for it? Congrats on the move to the B12. It's good for your university. Let's just hope it's better than what is happening with BCU, Pitt and 'Cuse.

that's not a conflicting statement to you? winning with another coach's players is what people say about coaches that can't recruit.

Moving away from UConn and back to the original subject-

I don't understand why teams in this conference have not been able to recruit better (save for Memphis and UH). The media deal gives the teams decent exposure on the various ESPN platforms. At Cincinnati we've undergone a couple years of coaching transition, but if we are being honest even going back to Mick Cronin his last two classes were underwhelming. The MWC has been able to recruit better than this league.

one of your freshman transfers from last season is balling the F out at LSU and is looking like a first round pick.

(01-26-2022 10:30 AM)Meatwad Wrote:  one of your freshman transfers from last season is balling the F out at LSU and is looking like a first round pick.

Don't remind me. He was a John Brannen recruit. Brannen often sat him for a walk on from England. Its been a rough couple years for UC basketball fans.

(01-26-2022 10:39 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 10:30 AM)Meatwad Wrote:  one of your freshman transfers from last season is balling the F out at LSU and is looking like a first round pick.

Don't remind me. He was a John Brannen recruit. Brannen often sat him for a walk on from England. Its been a rough couple years for UC basketball fans.

What really sucks is had they kept Eason this is a tournament team. He would have solved so many of their issues. He's an elite rebounder on both ends and has been an elite high usage inside scorer.

UC's biggest problem is none of their bigs are strong around the rim. None rebound well out of their area. They don't have any dude that just goes and gets it on the glass.