I think we still need a QB; someone who is more of a developmental prospect. A high schooler or someone with several years of eligibility.

As Steve said staff got a,seasoned QB to come here in a relative short time and get him here for spring ball. That answered an immediate need. I agree. with
with Bovine we need a longer term plan by signing a frosh either this year or next. l would like a big WR and another DT or DE.

(01-08-2022 07:26 AM)emu79 Wrote:  As Steve said staff got a,seasoned QB to come here in a relative short time and get him here for spring ball. That answered an immediate need. I agree. with
with Bovine we need a longer term plan by signing a frosh either this year or next. l would like a big WR and another DT or DE.

https://troytrojans.com/sports/football/...owell/9306

BTW, kind of repeating some comments.

Finally we have a situation where we have a grad transfer with one year of eligibility.

The backup is wide open. Both May and Smith have a fair shot at being it and being the front runner for the 2023 job (competed during spring ball 2023).

The 1a and 1b quarterbacks which we had in 2021 is over. It worked in the sense that we had TWO QBs capable of starting in the MAC. Given that Hutch had an injury Bryant's presence was a big plus.

Now we are back to the more typical arrangement of an established starter and battle to be his heir apparent.

I don't see this as he is coming in as the for sure starter, others have already broken down some of his limitations. He was a fairly big recruit and then never really played at Missouri. Then went to Troy (which isn't exactly Alabama or Clemson), and last year he wasn't even the fulltime QB on a 5-7 team. Yeah he completed 66% of his passes but threw 6 six picks in eight games.

For comparison think of UM's recent QB transfers; Shea Patterson came in and everyone knew he was going to be the starting QB, I don't think this is that situation. I think it is more like the Texas Tech QB they had come in this year who wasn't the automatically assumed to be the starter. So they had the Texas Tech kid (their version of Powell) along with McNamara and McCarthy (May and Smith), and obviously the TT kid did not win the job. MSU had a similar situation with the Temple transfer, there the guy they already had (Thorne) won the job.

Should be a solid addition to the competition between him, May, and Smith.

Yep. Don't assume he's the starter. That mere fact that he is transferring is a red flag. Why is he transferring? Was he not expecting to be the starter at Troy?

(01-08-2022 08:35 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  I don't see this as he is coming in as the for sure starter, others have already broken down some of his limitations. He was a fairly big recruit and then never really played at Missouri. Then went to Troy (which isn't exactly Alabama or Clemson), and last year he wasn't even the fulltime QB on a 5-7 team. Yeah he completed 66% of his passes but threw 6 six picks in eight games.

For comparison think of UM's recent QB transfers; Shea Patterson came in and everyone knew he was going to be the starting QB, I don't think this is that situation. I think it is more like the Texas Tech QB they had come in this year who wasn't the automatically assumed to be the starter. So they had the Texas Tech kid (their version of Powell) along with McNamara and McCarthy (May and Smith), and obviously the TT kid did not win the job. MSU had a similar situation with the Temple transfer, there the guy they already had (Thorne) won the job.

Should be a solid addition to the competition between him, May, and Smith.

Agree. He will make for good competition but I don't see his talent better then Cam or Baron.

(01-08-2022 11:20 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Yep. Don't assume he's the starter. That mere fact that he is transferring is a red flag. Why is he transferring? Was he not expecting to be the starter at Troy?

There has been a coaching turnover at Troy. Up until December, the Offensive Coordinator at Troy was Luke Meadows, who 4 years ago was the O-Line coach for CC at EMU. So you have to believe there was some talk between the two of them before Powell came to Ypsi.

(01-08-2022 11:33 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 08:35 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  I don't see this as he is coming in as the for sure starter, others have already broken down some of his limitations. He was a fairly big recruit and then never really played at Missouri. Then went to Troy (which isn't exactly Alabama or Clemson), and last year he wasn't even the fulltime QB on a 5-7 team. Yeah he completed 66% of his passes but threw 6 six picks in eight games.

For comparison think of UM's recent QB transfers; Shea Patterson came in and everyone knew he was going to be the starting QB, I don't think this is that situation. I think it is more like the Texas Tech QB they had come in this year who wasn't the automatically assumed to be the starter. So they had the Texas Tech kid (their version of Powell) along with McNamara and McCarthy (May and Smith), and obviously the TT kid did not win the job. MSU had a similar situation with the Temple transfer, there the guy they already had (Thorne) won the job.

Should be a solid addition to the competition between him, May, and Smith.

Agree. He will make for good competition but I don't see his talent better then Cam or Baron.

I’m sorry, but he completed nearly 67% of his passes in the Sun Belt, an FBS conference in line with the MAC. He is the favorite to start unless May shocks us all.

I stand by my evaluation that Smith is not a legitimate QB prospect due to his throwing motion.

(01-08-2022 11:16 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 11:33 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 08:35 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  I don't see this as he is coming in as the for sure starter, others have already broken down some of his limitations. He was a fairly big recruit and then never really played at Missouri. Then went to Troy (which isn't exactly Alabama or Clemson), and last year he wasn't even the fulltime QB on a 5-7 team. Yeah he completed 66% of his passes but threw 6 six picks in eight games.

For comparison think of UM's recent QB transfers; Shea Patterson came in and everyone knew he was going to be the starting QB, I don't think this is that situation. I think it is more like the Texas Tech QB they had come in this year who wasn't the automatically assumed to be the starter. So they had the Texas Tech kid (their version of Powell) along with McNamara and McCarthy (May and Smith), and obviously the TT kid did not win the job. MSU had a similar situation with the Temple transfer, there the guy they already had (Thorne) won the job.

Should be a solid addition to the competition between him, May, and Smith.

Agree. He will make for good competition but I don't see his talent better then Cam or Baron.

I’m sorry, but he completed nearly 67% of his passes in the Sun Belt, an FBS conference in line with the MAC. He is the favorite to start unless May shocks us all.

I stand by my evaluation that Smith is not a legitimate QB prospect due to his throwing motion.

Bryant completed 68% of his passes last season and I thought you weren't a fan of his. So are you just saying that based on Creighton's past decisions?

Smith was listed as third on the depth chart all year, if Bryant and Hutchinson had gone done he might would have been the starter. Both of those guys are now gone and Powell hasn't even had a practice yet, so right now you'd have to say Smith is the favorite to win the job.

I understand you have concerns about Smith's throwing mechanics, but coaches can make changes to those things so we'll see.

Powell is a stop gap for one season - May and Smith are in competition for the year after

Dear dansplaining,
If, we keep bringing in transfers at the quarterback position, we are going to lose our recruited quarterbacks to the transfer portal. If, that trend continues, why even recruit quarterbacks? What are coaches for, if we/they are not going to develop or improve the players we have recruited?
To me, this whole situation is out of control.

(01-09-2022 10:52 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear dansplaining,
If, we keep bringing in transfers at the quarterback position, we are going to lose our recruited quarterbacks to the transfer portal. If, that trend continues, why even recruit quarterbacks? What are coaches for, if we/they are not going to develop or improve the players we have recruited?
To me, this whole situation is out of control.

May and Smith are both Sophomores who MIGHT not be ready for primetime - so to speak. it makes sense to me to bring in a one year senior as a potential stop gap until May or Smith is ready - in case they arent. If May or Smith is that good then powell never sees the field and hes chris helbig. if they arent then we see them next season instead of this coming up season.

i also expect to see a freshman signed in the next batch of recruits in February.

(01-09-2022 09:07 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 11:16 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 11:33 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 08:35 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  I don't see this as he is coming in as the for sure starter, others have already broken down some of his limitations. He was a fairly big recruit and then never really played at Missouri. Then went to Troy (which isn't exactly Alabama or Clemson), and last year he wasn't even the fulltime QB on a 5-7 team. Yeah he completed 66% of his passes but threw 6 six picks in eight games.

For comparison think of UM's recent QB transfers; Shea Patterson came in and everyone knew he was going to be the starting QB, I don't think this is that situation. I think it is more like the Texas Tech QB they had come in this year who wasn't the automatically assumed to be the starter. So they had the Texas Tech kid (their version of Powell) along with McNamara and McCarthy (May and Smith), and obviously the TT kid did not win the job. MSU had a similar situation with the Temple transfer, there the guy they already had (Thorne) won the job.

Should be a solid addition to the competition between him, May, and Smith.

Agree. He will make for good competition but I don't see his talent better then Cam or Baron.

I’m sorry, but he completed nearly 67% of his passes in the Sun Belt, an FBS conference in line with the MAC. He is the favorite to start unless May shocks us all.

I stand by my evaluation that Smith is not a legitimate QB prospect due to his throwing motion.

Bryant completed 68% of his passes last season and I thought you weren't a fan of his. So are you just saying that based on Creighton's past decisions?

Smith was listed as third on the depth chart all year, if Bryant and Hutchinson had gone done he might would have been the starter. Both of those guys are now gone and Powell hasn't even had a practice yet, so right now you'd have to say Smith is the favorite to win the job.

I understand you have concerns about Smith's throwing mechanics, but coaches can make changes to those things so we'll see.

Agreed.

Yes, I’m projecting based on CC’s past decisions.

(01-09-2022 12:46 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 09:07 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 11:16 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 11:33 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 08:35 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  I don't see this as he is coming in as the for sure starter, others have already broken down some of his limitations. He was a fairly big recruit and then never really played at Missouri. Then went to Troy (which isn't exactly Alabama or Clemson), and last year he wasn't even the fulltime QB on a 5-7 team. Yeah he completed 66% of his passes but threw 6 six picks in eight games.

For comparison think of UM's recent QB transfers; Shea Patterson came in and everyone knew he was going to be the starting QB, I don't think this is that situation. I think it is more like the Texas Tech QB they had come in this year who wasn't the automatically assumed to be the starter. So they had the Texas Tech kid (their version of Powell) along with McNamara and McCarthy (May and Smith), and obviously the TT kid did not win the job. MSU had a similar situation with the Temple transfer, there the guy they already had (Thorne) won the job.

Should be a solid addition to the competition between him, May, and Smith.

Agree. He will make for good competition but I don't see his talent better then Cam or Baron.

I’m sorry, but he completed nearly 67% of his passes in the Sun Belt, an FBS conference in line with the MAC. He is the favorite to start unless May shocks us all.

I stand by my evaluation that Smith is not a legitimate QB prospect due to his throwing motion.

Bryant completed 68% of his passes last season and I thought you weren't a fan of his. So are you just saying that based on Creighton's past decisions?

Smith was listed as third on the depth chart all year, if Bryant and Hutchinson had gone done he might would have been the starter. Both of those guys are now gone and Powell hasn't even had a practice yet, so right now you'd have to say Smith is the favorite to win the job.

I understand you have concerns about Smith's throwing mechanics, but coaches can make changes to those things so we'll see.

Agreed.

Yes, I’m projecting based on CC’s past decisions.

That is what I thought. I hope that isn't the case, but fear you may be right. To be fair, if Powell shows up and is the best of the three then by all means he should be the guy.

Saw where Taylor Powell was heading to EMU, and thought I'd share some tidbits:

Pros
* Can throw on a rope; tight spirals
* Can extend plays with his feet by rolling out of the pocket
* Scans the field well for WR's
* Is an accurate passer within 15-20 yards
* Hard worker/gym rat
* Good leader

Cons
* Not a strong arm
* Tends to throw into coverage too much
* Tends to hold onto the ball too long
* Accuracy drops off quite a bit on passes beyond 20 yards
* Not a dual-threat QB.

His completion percentage isn't a very good reflection of his downfield passing abilities. Our offense threw a lot of screen passes, which upped his completion percentage quite a bit.

His deep passes get very iffy. He would usually overthrow the ball or throw to covered WR's.

It's possible that with a very good O-Line and a dink-and-dunk offense, he could be more effective.

(01-20-2022 05:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw where Taylor Powell was heading to EMU, and thought I'd share some tidbits:

Pros
* Can throw on a rope; tight spirals
* Can extend plays with his feet by rolling out of the pocket
* Scans the field well for WR's
* Is an accurate passer within 15-20 yards
* Hard worker/gym rat
* Good leader

Cons
* Not a strong arm
* Tends to throw into coverage too much
* Tends to hold onto the ball too long
* Accuracy drops off quite a bit on passes beyond 20 yards
* Not a dual-threat QB.

His completion percentage isn't a very good reflection of his downfield passing abilities. Our offense threw a lot of screen passes, which upped his completion percentage quite a bit.

His deep passes get very iffy. He would usually overthrow the ball or throw to covered WR's.

It's possible that with a very good O-Line and a dink-and-dunk offense, he could be more effective.

Thanks, that was quite helpful.

(01-20-2022 05:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw where Taylor Powell was heading to EMU, and thought I'd share some tidbits:

Pros
* Can throw on a rope; tight spirals
* Can extend plays with his feet by rolling out of the pocket
* Scans the field well for WR's
* Is an accurate passer within 15-20 yards
* Hard worker/gym rat
* Good leader

Cons
* Not a strong arm
* Tends to throw into coverage too much
* Tends to hold onto the ball too long
* Accuracy drops off quite a bit on passes beyond 20 yards
* Not a dual-threat QB.

His completion percentage isn't a very good reflection of his downfield passing abilities. Our offense threw a lot of screen passes, which upped his completion percentage quite a bit.

His deep passes get very iffy. He would usually overthrow the ball or throw to covered WR's.

It's possible that with a very good O-Line and a dink-and-dunk offense, he could be more effective.

Lol, that's what we have now, dink and dunk.

(01-20-2022 05:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Saw where Taylor Powell was heading to EMU, and thought I'd share some tidbits:

Pros
* Can throw on a rope; tight spirals
* Can extend plays with his feet by rolling out of the pocket
* Scans the field well for WR's
* Is an accurate passer within 15-20 yards
* Hard worker/gym rat
* Good leader

Cons
* Not a strong arm
* Tends to throw into coverage too much
* Tends to hold onto the ball too long
* Accuracy drops off quite a bit on passes beyond 20 yards
* Not a dual-threat QB.

His completion percentage isn't a very good reflection of his downfield passing abilities. Our offense threw a lot of screen passes, which upped his completion percentage quite a bit.

His deep passes get very iffy. He would usually overthrow the ball or throw to covered WR's.

It's possible that with a very good O-Line and a dink-and-dunk offense, he could be more effective.

Thank you for the insight!