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RE: Cincy, Houston, and UCF likely leaving in 2023
It’s behind a paywall , this article by JosephDuarte, Houston Chronicle indicates 2023.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-s...m=referral



Pezman ( UH AD) declined to say where talks stand. The initial asking price has come down considerably and the two sides are not far apart, a person familiar with the negotiations said. A financial settlement is expected by the end of May. That timetable would also allow for the incoming C-USA schools to give notice by June 1 to join the AAC in 2023.
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(05-02-2022 10:17 PM)Acres Wrote:  It’s behind a paywall , this article by JosephDuarte, Houston Chronicle indicates 2023.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-s...m=referral



Pezman ( UH AD) declined to say where talks stand. The initial asking price has come down considerably and the two sides are not far apart, a person familiar with the negotiations said. A financial settlement is expected by the end of May. That timetable would also allow for the incoming C-USA schools to give notice by June 1 to join the AAC in 2023.

So nothing new 07-coffee3
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RE: Cincy, Houston, and UCF likely leaving in 2023
(05-02-2022 10:51 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 10:17 PM)Acres Wrote:  It’s behind a paywall , this article by JosephDuarte, Houston Chronicle indicates 2023.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-s...m=referral



Pezman ( UH AD) declined to say where talks stand. The initial asking price has come down considerably and the two sides are not far apart, a person familiar with the negotiations said. A financial settlement is expected by the end of May. That timetable would also allow for the incoming C-USA schools to give notice by June 1 to join the AAC in 2023.

So nothing new 07-coffee3

I wonder how much is considerably? Remember the $35M was already a reduced ask. 03-banghead
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(05-03-2022 06:47 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 10:51 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 10:17 PM)Acres Wrote:  It’s behind a paywall , this article by JosephDuarte, Houston Chronicle indicates 2023.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-s...m=referral



Pezman ( UH AD) declined to say where talks stand. The initial asking price has come down considerably and the two sides are not far apart, a person familiar with the negotiations said. A financial settlement is expected by the end of May. That timetable would also allow for the incoming C-USA schools to give notice by June 1 to join the AAC in 2023.

So nothing new 07-coffee3

I wonder how much is considerably? Remember the $35M was already a reduced ask. 03-banghead
$35 million is an insane ask.
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Bottom line here... UC, UH and UCF are leaving in 2023. Exit fees will be negotiated and neither party will get everything they want. The AAC3 might or might not get games against OU/UT depending on schedules and departure dates. The Big 12 media deal, even after after OU/UT leave will most likely still be triple or more what the AAC current deal is. New Big 12 NCAA revenues will dwarf the AAC's. When the AAC deal gets renegotiated in 8 years or so the 8 legacy members are likely looking at a serious haircut. It sucks but that's reality. Anybody that believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land or just trolling.

As an aside I expect the SBC media deal to increase by the time the next AAC deal is being negotiated. How much each league's deal projects in each direction is anyone's guess right now.
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(05-03-2022 07:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here... UC, UH and UCF are leaving in 2023. Exit fees will be negotiated and neither party will get everything they want. The AAC3 might or might not get games against OU/UT depending on schedules and departure dates. The Big 12 media deal, even after after OU/UT leave will most likely still be triple or more what the AAC current deal is. New Big 12 NCAA revenues will dwarf the AAC's. When the AAC deal gets renegotiated in 8 years or so the 8 legacy members are likely looking at a serious haircut. It sucks but that's reality. Anybody that believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land or just trolling.

As an aside I expect the SBC media deal to increase by the time the next AAC deal is being negotiated. How much each league's deal projects in each direction is anyone's guess right now.

Think you are mostly right on assessment. All teams will move in 2023, No one will get what they want $$ wise, but will have a deal they can live with. B12 $$ will dwarf what AAC gets. I don't know if I agree with next AAC deal taking a big hit. 8 years is long enough for 2 or 3 schools to step it up big time, and new schools to raise their stature. Will that happen? Who knows, but it surely is quite possible. If the AAC can keep even with MWC short term and bypass them again long term it will be just fine.
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Expected to be $17-$20M. Should be completed before end of May.
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New schools getting shafted - oh well
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(05-03-2022 08:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/cinc...ttMcMurphy

Expected to be $17-$20M. Should be completed before end of May.

As a USF fan, I wish it was zero. Heck, at $20m, that means those schools will give back basically all the media money they were paid for the entire time they have currently been in the AAC, from 2013 - 2021.

I am against buyouts, exit fees, GOR damages, etc. so long as the school provides notice by January 1st that it intends to play Fall sports that year in a new league, so the exiting conference has time to re-adjust upcoming schedules.

UCF, Houston and Cincy played this past season in the AAC, they should be free to play in the Big 12 this coming season with no fees paid.

But other than that, if a school wants to leave a conference, they should be able to do so any time without penalty. And yes, I know they all signed on to these fees, etc.

I just think it is wrong.
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(05-03-2022 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 08:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/cinc...ttMcMurphy

Expected to be $17-$20M. Should be completed before end of May.

As a USF fan, I wish it was zero.

Why "as a USF fan"?
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(05-03-2022 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 08:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/cinc...ttMcMurphy

Expected to be $17-$20M. Should be completed before end of May.

As a USF fan, I wish it was zero. Heck, at $20m, that means those schools will give back basically all the media money they were paid for the entire time they have currently been in the AAC, from 2013 - 2021.

I am against buyouts, exit fees, GOR damages, etc. so long as the school provides notice by January 1st that it intends to play Fall sports that year in a new league, so the exiting conference has time to re-adjust upcoming schedules.

UCF, Houston and Cincy played this past season in the AAC, they should be free to play in the Big 12 this coming season with no fees paid.

But other than that, if a school wants to leave a conference, they should be able to do so any time without penalty. And yes, I know they all signed on to these fees, etc.

I just think it is wrong.

I don’t have a problem paying it bc it’s in the contract but the total should be closer to $13 million. 10 + 3 given UConn was $17, $10 + 7 with way less notice.
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(05-03-2022 07:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here... UC, UH and UCF are leaving in 2023. Exit fees will be negotiated and neither party will get everything they want. The AAC3 might or might not get games against OU/UT depending on schedules and departure dates. The Big 12 media deal, even after after OU/UT leave will most likely still be triple or more what the AAC current deal is. New Big 12 NCAA revenues will dwarf the AAC's. When the AAC deal gets renegotiated in 8 years or so the 8 legacy members are likely looking at a serious haircut. It sucks but that's reality. Anybody that believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land or just trolling.

As an aside I expect the SBC media deal to increase by the time the next AAC deal is being negotiated. How much each league's deal projects in each direction is anyone's guess right now.

Agree on everything but the AAC vs SBC comparison.
The AAC contract goes into 31-32 season
The SBC contract goes into 30-31 season.

So at least until that 2030-31 season ALL AAC members including the newcomers will make more than SBC. Unless the AAC contract gets changed by more departures by that time but that could also happen to SBC

That’s 8 years of both leagues proving on the field and in ratings who is more valuable.
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(05-03-2022 07:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here... UC, UH and UCF are leaving in 2023. Exit fees will be negotiated and neither party will get everything they want. The AAC3 might or might not get games against OU/UT depending on schedules and departure dates. The Big 12 media deal, even after after OU/UT leave will most likely still be triple or more what the AAC current deal is. New Big 12 NCAA revenues will dwarf the AAC's. When the AAC deal gets renegotiated in 8 years or so the 8 legacy members are likely looking at a serious haircut. It sucks but that's reality. Anybody that believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land or just trolling.

As an aside I expect the SBC media deal to increase by the time the next AAC deal is being negotiated. How much each league's deal projects in each direction is anyone's guess right now.

I imagine people said the same in 2013....
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(05-03-2022 08:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/cinc...ttMcMurphy

Expected to be $17-$20M. Should be completed before end of May.

Thanks for that.

Key point regarding the inbound schools' 14-month notice to CUSA:

Quote:That 14-month deadline was two days ago on Sunday, but the schools have requested and received a one-month extension from the league to the deadline before providing notice on their intention to leave, sources said.

Good to hear that date was adjustable so it didn't impact the talks between the conference and the departing schools.
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(05-03-2022 10:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 07:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here... UC, UH and UCF are leaving in 2023. Exit fees will be negotiated and neither party will get everything they want. The AAC3 might or might not get games against OU/UT depending on schedules and departure dates. The Big 12 media deal, even after after OU/UT leave will most likely still be triple or more what the AAC current deal is. New Big 12 NCAA revenues will dwarf the AAC's. When the AAC deal gets renegotiated in 8 years or so the 8 legacy members are likely looking at a serious haircut. It sucks but that's reality. Anybody that believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land or just trolling.

As an aside I expect the SBC media deal to increase by the time the next AAC deal is being negotiated. How much each league's deal projects in each direction is anyone's guess right now.

I imagine people said the same in 2013....

We did take a haircut back then, no? Legacy teams were making 3m-ish, and went down to 2m(a bigger drop than 1m when inflation is considered). It was obviously a step up in may for the new arrivals, similar to now.

The timing is at least better this time around. We signed that lowball contract right as all the unproven teams were joining. Now, we have time to build up some steam before the next negotiation.
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(05-03-2022 10:20 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Good to hear that date was adjustable so it didn't impact the talks between the conference and the departing schools.

i think it did, according to the houston chronical the AAC only recently decided to have a significant drop for their asking price.. coincidently right around the deadline

again the aac/new teams are asking c-usa to do for free what it was asking the aac3 120mil for

the leaving team can keep negotiating past the c-usa deadline, i think that was used as leverage
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(05-03-2022 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 08:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/cinc...ttMcMurphy

Expected to be $17-$20M. Should be completed before end of May.

As a USF fan, I wish it was zero. Heck, at $20m, that means those schools will give back basically all the media money they were paid for the entire time they have currently been in the AAC, from 2013 - 2021.

I am against buyouts, exit fees, GOR damages, etc. so long as the school provides notice by January 1st that it intends to play Fall sports that year in a new league, so the exiting conference has time to re-adjust upcoming schedules.

UCF, Houston and Cincy played this past season in the AAC, they should be free to play in the Big 12 this coming season with no fees paid.

But other than that, if a school wants to leave a conference, they should be able to do so any time without penalty. And yes, I know they all signed on to these fees, etc.

I just think it is wrong.

Thats the way it was back in the day. When the SWC imploded, there was no exit fees for the left behinds to collect---which was no doubt one reason there was a stronger effort by the remaining teams to rebuild the conference.
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(05-03-2022 10:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 07:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here... UC, UH and UCF are leaving in 2023. Exit fees will be negotiated and neither party will get everything they want. The AAC3 might or might not get games against OU/UT depending on schedules and departure dates. The Big 12 media deal, even after after OU/UT leave will most likely still be triple or more what the AAC current deal is. New Big 12 NCAA revenues will dwarf the AAC's. When the AAC deal gets renegotiated in 8 years or so the 8 legacy members are likely looking at a serious haircut. It sucks but that's reality. Anybody that believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land or just trolling.

As an aside I expect the SBC media deal to increase by the time the next AAC deal is being negotiated. How much each league's deal projects in each direction is anyone's guess right now.

I imagine people said the same in 2013....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't those people have been completely accurate? According to this article the 2013 contract was 6 times less than what was presented by ESPN prior to the flight of schools leaving the conference.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...ights-deal
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(05-03-2022 11:07 AM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 10:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 07:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here... UC, UH and UCF are leaving in 2023. Exit fees will be negotiated and neither party will get everything they want. The AAC3 might or might not get games against OU/UT depending on schedules and departure dates. The Big 12 media deal, even after after OU/UT leave will most likely still be triple or more what the AAC current deal is. New Big 12 NCAA revenues will dwarf the AAC's. When the AAC deal gets renegotiated in 8 years or so the 8 legacy members are likely looking at a serious haircut. It sucks but that's reality. Anybody that believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land or just trolling.

As an aside I expect the SBC media deal to increase by the time the next AAC deal is being negotiated. How much each league's deal projects in each direction is anyone's guess right now.

I imagine people said the same in 2013....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't those people have been completely accurate? According to this article the 2013 contract was 6 times less than what was presented by ESPN prior to the flight of schools leaving the conference.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...ights-deal

Big difference is that the original deal was never signed and the league composition changed to the point where the majority of league left.
The current situation is that only three members are leaving and is within the contract period. We already know that the remaining schools won’t lose money and that the newcomers are getting less.

So 2013 and 2023 are too completely different scenarios
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(05-03-2022 10:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 07:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here... UC, UH and UCF are leaving in 2023. Exit fees will be negotiated and neither party will get everything they want. The AAC3 might or might not get games against OU/UT depending on schedules and departure dates. The Big 12 media deal, even after after OU/UT leave will most likely still be triple or more what the AAC current deal is. New Big 12 NCAA revenues will dwarf the AAC's. When the AAC deal gets renegotiated in 8 years or so the 8 legacy members are likely looking at a serious haircut. It sucks but that's reality. Anybody that believes otherwise is living in a fantasy land or just trolling.

As an aside I expect the SBC media deal to increase by the time the next AAC deal is being negotiated. How much each league's deal projects in each direction is anyone's guess right now.

I imagine people said the same in 2013....

Exactly. Its an unwritten story at this time. If the schools invest and do well on the field of play---there is no reason the AAC cant continue its ascendancy---with everyone earning more in the next deal. On the other hand, if the new schools fail to do what is necessary to turn some of their "potential" into reality---then the AAC might face difficulties in negotiating a subsequent deal that gets everyone at least 7 million+ using equal revenue sharing. This version of the AAC has nearly a decade of guaranteed high level ESPN exposure to make a name for themselves.
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