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RE: Candle a "Top Candidate" for Miami, FL OC Position
(01-20-2022 01:52 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  The Blade article says that Candle feels the team will have a great year this upcoming season which will give him a new contract. Maybe. But with a dysfunctional OL and no coaching replacement, along with poor game management and questionable play calling, not sure. I want the Rockets to win, but Candle out. Quite a conundrum.

Plus the three good RB's we once had are gone. We have a couple promising receivers, but QB is going to have to show a LOT of progress by next season. You could see Woodside make huge strides year-over-year and I don't see that with Finn. He can sure run, but again, OL. Finn cannot carry the whole thing himself. Neither can the defense.

I don't know what Candle thinks he's going to have a great season with.
One RB who played any is gone. We have a Maryland transfer who could be a reasonable replacement. Finn made huge strides over the previous year. But the big thing for me would be 2 Mill of more to move to Miami and be better off financially.
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(01-19-2022 09:00 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(01-19-2022 05:56 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Some notes from the Blah:
-sources say he was offered a three-year deal that would have paid him in the range of $1.5-1.8 million per season
-He sought an extension this week from university president Dr. Gregory Postel but was rebuffed

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ut/20...0220118093

So if Miami said yes and UT said no, it seems strange that he wouldn't take the Miami job.

Definitely strange. He must love being in the top dawg seat and figured I'm either going to go all-in as HC and get an extension or down in a blaze of glory trying.
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At this point going down in the blaze of another disaster season by UT standards. In 2023, I just wonder what this program will look like with the emergence of NIU, CMU and always WMU in the running for a West title.
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Must admit that I have been a critic of the often mentioned down falls of the team and staff. However, you have got to admit that this is probably the most interesting comittment that I have seen from a D1 HC. Coach Candle will be dealing with a relatively new President, AD, less than ideal outlook for the fall and an expiring contract and he still chose to stay here. Most D1 coaches in his position are talking to Two Men and a Truck as we speak.
I wish him all the best and will admit that I have a greater respect for his word and character moving forward. Go Rockets!
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RE: Candle a "Top Candidate" for Miami, FL OC Position
(01-20-2022 01:58 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 01:52 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  The Blade article says that Candle feels the team will have a great year this upcoming season which will give him a new contract. Maybe. But with a dysfunctional OL and no coaching replacement, along with poor game management and questionable play calling, not sure. I want the Rockets to win, but Candle out. Quite a conundrum.

Plus the three good RB's we once had are gone. We have a couple promising receivers, but QB is going to have to show a LOT of progress by next season. You could see Woodside make huge strides year-over-year and I don't see that with Finn. He can sure run, but again, OL. Finn cannot carry the whole thing himself. Neither can the defense.

I don't know what Candle thinks he's going to have a great season with.
One RB who played any is gone. We have a Maryland transfer who could be a reasonable replacement. Finn made huge strides over the previous year. But the big thing for me would be 2 Mill of more to move to Miami and be better off financially.

Koback is jumping to the NFL, right? Before that Seymour left, before that I was thinking Thompkins, but he would have been a Senior in 2019 so I guess he wouldn't have benefited from the COVID year. In any case, those were the 3 best backs we've had the past few years and none of them will be here in 2022. I can't say I saw anybody exactly challenging Koback for the starting spot last year. Boone has good size, but played sparingly at MD. We'll see. Is he on campus yet? -- I agree that Finn improved over last year, absolutely, but I wouldn't call it a huge stride. He has 3 seasons behind him here already. The team went 7-6 on the season with a disappointing bowl showing where Finn went 18-39-1. Just speaking of the "great year" ahead, I still don't see the reason for such optimism. Financially....I guess it's a moot point as it sounds like he declined an offer.
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(01-20-2022 03:01 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  At this point going down in the blaze of another disaster season by UT standards. In 2023, I just wonder what this program will look like with the emergence of NIU, CMU and always WMU in the running for a West title.

EMU has been quietly getting better, too.
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Not really that much of a surprise for Candle to want to stay. He's lived his whole life in Ohio, aside from 2 years at Geneva College which is literally 10 miles over the border. I assume his wife is from Ohio too, but I don't know, and has a family that's only known here. Also he's always been surrounded by his Mount Union buddies and as an OC would not likely be able to take any of them with him like he would if he got a HC position. So, could easily see him wanting to stay close to home, and a head coaches ego always thinks he can turn things around no matter how bad things are. You kinda have to have that attitude to be a head coach or CEO or president of anything.,
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RE: Candle a "Top Candidate" for Miami, FL OC Position
(01-20-2022 04:53 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 01:58 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 01:52 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  The Blade article says that Candle feels the team will have a great year this upcoming season which will give him a new contract. Maybe. But with a dysfunctional OL and no coaching replacement, along with poor game management and questionable play calling, not sure. I want the Rockets to win, but Candle out. Quite a conundrum.

Plus the three good RB's we once had are gone. We have a couple promising receivers, but QB is going to have to show a LOT of progress by next season. You could see Woodside make huge strides year-over-year and I don't see that with Finn. He can sure run, but again, OL. Finn cannot carry the whole thing himself. Neither can the defense.

I don't know what Candle thinks he's going to have a great season with.
One RB who played any is gone. We have a Maryland transfer who could be a reasonable replacement. Finn made huge strides over the previous year. But the big thing for me would be 2 Mill of more to move to Miami and be better off financially.

Koback is jumping to the NFL, right? Before that Seymour left, before that I was thinking Thompkins, but he would have been a Senior in 2019 so I guess he wouldn't have benefited from the COVID year. In any case, those were the 3 best backs we've had the past few years and none of them will be here in 2022. I can't say I saw anybody exactly challenging Koback for the starting spot last year. Boone has good size, but played sparingly at MD. We'll see. Is he on campus yet? -- I agree that Finn improved over last year, absolutely, but I wouldn't call it a huge stride. He has 3 seasons behind him here already. The team went 7-6 on the season with a disappointing bowl showing where Finn went 18-39-1. Just speaking of the "great year" ahead, I still don't see the reason for such optimism. Financially....I guess it's a moot point as it sounds like he declined an offer.

Finn didn't make a huge stride? In 2020 he threw 1 pass. One. ONE. In 2019 he threw 12, all in garbage time in huge wins or losses. He went from that to having a game where he tied the 2nd most passing yards in school history with Bruce. Only Woodside and Bruce ever did that. Was he consistent game-to-game, no. But, he played behind an awful pass protecting O Line that gave up 36 sacks and untold hits and pressures.

He had a 149 passer rating. Woodside's ratings his 1st 2 seasons were 108 and 142. He exceeded my expectations by like a million miles this year.
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(01-20-2022 05:49 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 03:01 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  At this point going down in the blaze of another disaster season by UT standards. In 2023, I just wonder what this program will look like with the emergence of NIU, CMU and always WMU in the running for a West title.

EMU has been quietly getting better, too.

EMU lost the #1 and 2 QBs to the Portal.
Rockets lost to #8 by 3. They were kept out the MACC by 3 losses where margin of victories totaled 8 points. Bowl loss by +7.
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(01-20-2022 06:36 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 05:49 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 03:01 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  At this point going down in the blaze of another disaster season by UT standards. In 2023, I just wonder what this program will look like with the emergence of NIU, CMU and always WMU in the running for a West title.

EMU has been quietly getting better, too.

EMU lost the #1 and 2 QBs to the Portal.
Rockets lost to #8 by 3. They were kept out the MACC by 3 losses where margin of victories totaled 8 points. Bowl loss by +7.

All of that with a team that was unfocused & undisciplined...too many me guys and not enough we guys. Imagine if the culture was a just a little different...culture of accountability and team.
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(01-21-2022 08:10 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 06:36 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 05:49 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 03:01 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  At this point going down in the blaze of another disaster season by UT standards. In 2023, I just wonder what this program will look like with the emergence of NIU, CMU and always WMU in the running for a West title.

EMU has been quietly getting better, too.

EMU lost the #1 and 2 QBs to the Portal.
Rockets lost to #8 by 3. They were kept out the MACC by 3 losses where margin of victories totaled 8 points. Bowl loss by +7.

All of that with a team that was unfocused & undisciplined...too many me guys and not enough we guys. Imagine if the culture was a just a little different...culture of accountability and team.

A good team will police itself.

I think staying around a program too long is not beneficial for the player or team.
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(01-21-2022 10:05 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 08:10 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 06:36 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 05:49 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  
(01-20-2022 03:01 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  At this point going down in the blaze of another disaster season by UT standards. In 2023, I just wonder what this program will look like with the emergence of NIU, CMU and always WMU in the running for a West title.

EMU has been quietly getting better, too.

EMU lost the #1 and 2 QBs to the Portal.
Rockets lost to #8 by 3. They were kept out the MACC by 3 losses where margin of victories totaled 8 points. Bowl loss by +7.

All of that with a team that was unfocused & undisciplined...too many me guys and not enough we guys. Imagine if the culture was a just a little different...culture of accountability and team.

A good team will police itself.

I think staying around a program too long is not beneficial for the player or team.

True...the fights you see on the sideline are guys trying to police things and the majority of guys can't handle the criticism. Doesn't help that players basically do as they want, with little to no consequence.
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(01-21-2022 03:49 PM)TampaRocket Wrote:  True...the fights you see on the sideline are guys trying to police things and the majority of guys can't handle the criticism. Doesn't help that players basically do as they want, with little to no consequence.

Oof...don't like hearing this from someone in your position (son on the team), because it means it is most likely true.
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(01-21-2022 03:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 03:49 PM)TampaRocket Wrote:  True...the fights you see on the sideline are guys trying to police things and the majority of guys can't handle the criticism. Doesn't help that players basically do as they want, with little to no consequence.

Oof...don't like hearing this from someone in your position (son on the team), because it means it is most likely true.

Unfortunately, it's true. Haven't had much to add on here, since he was part of the team...didn't want to air dirty laundry that should be handled internally. He loved the football aspect of being at UT, but just wasn't comfortable there from a lifestyle standpoint. Made some great friends that he'll have for a lifetime. He left the school after the bowl game and will be looking to latch on somewhere here in Florida in the fall. He's thankful for the opportunity that they provided him, but it was time for him to move on.
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Not good to hear at all, hope its over blown.
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If you watch the sidelines there are a number of times when way too many guys are not focused on the game, showboating to the stadium music, not a good scene at all. IF the input on some of the guys leaving are accurate, there is no way this group and coaches will turn this back to a serious contender. I am really sad to hear these reports but this is not the first time that this environment has been mentioned.
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(01-21-2022 08:19 PM)rocket 51 Wrote:  If you watch the sidelines there are a number of times when way too many guys are not focused on the game, showboating to the stadium music, not a good scene at all. IF the input on some of the guys leaving are accurate, there is no way this group and coaches will turn this back to a serious contender. I am really sad to hear these reports but this is not the first time that this environment has been mentioned.

I really noticed it during the EMU game when, with like 1:00-1:30 left in the game and eastern had 3rd a& short and 4th & short, and like half the team was SITTING DOWN and standing in front of the heaters. They didn't care that the D was making a huge stop to give the O one last chance. They would rather be sitting down and standing by the heaters.
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I can’t believe how long this has been going on. It’s pathetic and unacceptable. As well liked as Tom Amstutz was it didn’t take long for him to be let go
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(01-21-2022 11:12 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  I can’t believe how long this has been going on. It’s pathetic and unacceptable. As well liked as Tom Amstutz was it didn’t take long for him to be let go

Tommy went 5-7, 5-7, and 3-9 his last 3 seasons. On top of it the program was underperforming academically and
there was a FBI gambling probe into the program. The infractions occurred between 2004-2006, Stutz resigned
in 2008. This is nothing like that.
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(01-21-2022 11:44 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 11:12 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  I can’t believe how long this has been going on. It’s pathetic and unacceptable. As well liked as Tom Amstutz was it didn’t take long for him to be let go

Tommy went 5-7, 5-7, and 3-9 his last 3 seasons. On top of it the program was underperforming academically and
there was a FBI gambling probe into the program. The infractions occurred between 2004-2006, Stutz resigned
in 2008. This is nothing like that.

I remember the gambling scandal. I was amazed that the ncaa didn’t smack us over the head. Tom did seem loose control of the team.
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