(01-17-2022 07:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 06:31 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Bad coaching decisions have destroyed our BB program. When you have to give a coach an extension and not announce it or cut his salary and he accepts it because he isn't winning. Well the administration is telling us they don't care and after awhile the fans don't care either.

Wow, sounds identical to our situation. I know football is king in the SBC, but I know our school could put a way better effort forward in basketball. Sounds like we aren't alone at least.

Sounds pretty similar to JMU pre-Byington honestly. A couple of really bad hires with the first being given way too much time. Then we made an ok hire but he just took us to where we weren't completely terrible anymore, could never get over the hump with any actual good teams. Gave him at least a couple of lame duck years even though it was pretty clear that he was what he was and surprise surprise that just made it worse. Then when we let him go he was replaced by a former JMU player who wasn't remotely ready for the job but took the job for cheap. We should've much sooner gone "thanks for getting us out of that hole Brady, but we need someone to get us over the next hump" and paid enough to get that guy.

With the new arena they clearly didn't want to go cheap on the coach and put a terrible team in that new arena. Upped the salary quite a bit from Rowe to Byington, some hoped to see it bumped even higher but I don't know if the candidate was out there who would've been clearly better but within reach if we paid a little more. Obviously the arena makes JMU more attractive to coaches and recruits too so maybe just throwing money at a coach sooner only would've done so much anyway.

The new arena revived fan interest to a point it hasn't been in a long time although it can still get better. Hopefully we keep winning and it keeps getting better. Got smoked by Elon today though, they couldn't miss a three and we couldn't make one.

All of Texas State's home games have come when students have been out of town (Thanksgiving & Winter Break). Should pick up for the rest of the year with student back for the next game on the 29th against UTA.

(01-17-2022 04:57 PM)Usajags Wrote:  It’s nice being above average, but sucks to be behind Troy at anything.

Please don't get 'em rowled up.

(01-17-2022 05:51 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 05:06 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 04:58 PM)MUther Wrote:  We are horrible, I mean horrible and we still double your best. ODU will double or triple that. GaSt has a 1000 per game? I thought they were the basketball powerhouse around here. This will not do. Step it up.

Ga. State's attendance has always been hard to understand given their success and the huge metro they're located in. It's a big reason why many of us have concerns over their ability to increase their football attendance long term.

State is in a tough spot. There’s an NBA team right across the street. There’s P5 basketball being played right down the road as well. It’s just hard for State to compete for attention in the hustle and bustle of Atlanta. Midmajor basketball isn’t even a blip on the radar of the general population of Atlanta, and it’s tough to get their students engaged when most of them are online/non-traditional students that don’t live “on-campus.” When they have marquee games against bigger schools or rivals like us, they actually draw pretty well but those have been few and far between.

Yes, exactly my point. They're a blip on the radar despite all of their success in basketball, over 50k students, and a metro population of 5M+ to draw from. That doesn't bode well for their other sports.

(01-17-2022 04:57 PM)Usajags Wrote:  It’s nice being above average, but sucks to be behind Troy at anything.

You should be used to that by now.

(01-17-2022 04:48 PM)slycat Wrote:  Where did you get these numbers? I just did an average for TXST from box scores our our website and the average is 1092. Still awful but better.

Yes, the correct number from the SBC is 1092, it seems that is the only one incorrect by OP.

Next home game against UTA should be around 3K, and remain between 2.5K and 3K the rest of the season, especially if we are closing in on a repeat title.

Here's the women's basketball attendance #'s:

Troy - 1,521
Little Rock - 1,182
UTA - 1,105
Ark State - 910
Tx State - 836
ULM - 638
Louisiana - 587
Ga Southern - 582
Coastal - 335
Ga State - 431
App State - 267
USA - 187

(01-17-2022 08:23 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 06:31 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Bad coaching decisions have destroyed our BB program. When you have to give a coach an extension and not announce it or cut his salary and he accepts it because he isn't winning. Well the administration is telling us they don't care and after awhile the fans don't care either.

Wow, sounds identical to our situation. I know football is king in the SBC, but I know our school could put a way better effort forward in basketball. Sounds like we aren't alone at least.

Sounds pretty similar to JMU pre-Byington honestly. A couple of really bad hires with the first being given way too much time. Then we made an ok hire but he just took us to where we weren't completely terrible anymore, could never get over the hump with any actual good teams. Gave him at least a couple of lame duck years even though it was pretty clear that he was what he was and surprise surprise that just made it worse. Then when we let him go he was replaced by a former JMU player who wasn't remotely ready for the job but took the job for cheap. We should've much sooner gone "thanks for getting us out of that hole Brady, but we need someone to get us over the next hump" and paid enough to get that guy.

With the new arena they clearly didn't want to go cheap on the coach and put a terrible team in that new arena. Upped the salary quite a bit from Rowe to Byington, some hoped to see it bumped even higher but I don't know if the candidate was out there who would've been clearly better but within reach if we paid a little more. Obviously the arena makes JMU more attractive to coaches and recruits too so maybe just throwing money at a coach sooner only would've done so much anyway.

The new arena revived fan interest to a point it hasn't been in a long time although it can still get better. Hopefully we keep winning and it keeps getting better. Got smoked by Elon today though, they couldn't miss a three and we couldn't make one.

JMU's new arena and facilities are really nice and a very easy sell to recruits. You guys should continue to recruit well and I think a big factor in the programs turnaround from the investments and do well in the SBC. I'm hoping that as/if Coastal's enrollment grows, they'll be forced to look at options for a nicer and a little larger convocation space/arena and able to develop a plan towards that one day. I'm pleased with the direction our football stadium is heading, Baseball stadium is really nice and updated, but basketball arena and facilities are the eyesore of the three and recruits and fans definitely know and feel it. It's a facilities race, now more than ever. Those things definitely matter.

(01-17-2022 09:46 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 08:23 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 06:31 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Bad coaching decisions have destroyed our BB program. When you have to give a coach an extension and not announce it or cut his salary and he accepts it because he isn't winning. Well the administration is telling us they don't care and after awhile the fans don't care either.

Wow, sounds identical to our situation. I know football is king in the SBC, but I know our school could put a way better effort forward in basketball. Sounds like we aren't alone at least.

Sounds pretty similar to JMU pre-Byington honestly. A couple of really bad hires with the first being given way too much time. Then we made an ok hire but he just took us to where we weren't completely terrible anymore, could never get over the hump with any actual good teams. Gave him at least a couple of lame duck years even though it was pretty clear that he was what he was and surprise surprise that just made it worse. Then when we let him go he was replaced by a former JMU player who wasn't remotely ready for the job but took the job for cheap. We should've much sooner gone "thanks for getting us out of that hole Brady, but we need someone to get us over the next hump" and paid enough to get that guy.

With the new arena they clearly didn't want to go cheap on the coach and put a terrible team in that new arena. Upped the salary quite a bit from Rowe to Byington, some hoped to see it bumped even higher but I don't know if the candidate was out there who would've been clearly better but within reach if we paid a little more. Obviously the arena makes JMU more attractive to coaches and recruits too so maybe just throwing money at a coach sooner only would've done so much anyway.

The new arena revived fan interest to a point it hasn't been in a long time although it can still get better. Hopefully we keep winning and it keeps getting better. Got smoked by Elon today though, they couldn't miss a three and we couldn't make one.

JMU's new arena and facilities are really nice and a very easy sell to recruits. You guys should continue to recruit well and I think a big factor in the programs turnaround from the investments and do well in the SBC. I'm hoping that as/if Coastal's enrollment grows, they'll be forced to look at options for a nicer and a little larger convocation space/arena and able to develop a plan towards that one day. I'm pleased with the direction our football stadium is heading, Baseball stadium is really nice and updated, but basketball arena and facilities are the eyesore of the three and recruits and fans definitely know and feel it. It's a facilities race, now more than ever. Those things definitely matter.

Bigger isn't always better if you don't really need it. I'm pleasantly surprised with App being near the top this year but wish we still had this attendance and atmosphere from 1991. Varsity gym wasn't nearly as "nice" as the Holmes Convocation Center but it was intimate and in the middle of campus.

https://youtu.be/n5jB_FZasX0

(01-17-2022 10:08 PM)Appvette Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 09:46 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 08:23 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 06:31 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Bad coaching decisions have destroyed our BB program. When you have to give a coach an extension and not announce it or cut his salary and he accepts it because he isn't winning. Well the administration is telling us they don't care and after awhile the fans don't care either.

Wow, sounds identical to our situation. I know football is king in the SBC, but I know our school could put a way better effort forward in basketball. Sounds like we aren't alone at least.

Sounds pretty similar to JMU pre-Byington honestly. A couple of really bad hires with the first being given way too much time. Then we made an ok hire but he just took us to where we weren't completely terrible anymore, could never get over the hump with any actual good teams. Gave him at least a couple of lame duck years even though it was pretty clear that he was what he was and surprise surprise that just made it worse. Then when we let him go he was replaced by a former JMU player who wasn't remotely ready for the job but took the job for cheap. We should've much sooner gone "thanks for getting us out of that hole Brady, but we need someone to get us over the next hump" and paid enough to get that guy.

With the new arena they clearly didn't want to go cheap on the coach and put a terrible team in that new arena. Upped the salary quite a bit from Rowe to Byington, some hoped to see it bumped even higher but I don't know if the candidate was out there who would've been clearly better but within reach if we paid a little more. Obviously the arena makes JMU more attractive to coaches and recruits too so maybe just throwing money at a coach sooner only would've done so much anyway.

The new arena revived fan interest to a point it hasn't been in a long time although it can still get better. Hopefully we keep winning and it keeps getting better. Got smoked by Elon today though, they couldn't miss a three and we couldn't make one.

JMU's new arena and facilities are really nice and a very easy sell to recruits. You guys should continue to recruit well and I think a big factor in the programs turnaround from the investments and do well in the SBC. I'm hoping that as/if Coastal's enrollment grows, they'll be forced to look at options for a nicer and a little larger convocation space/arena and able to develop a plan towards that one day. I'm pleased with the direction our football stadium is heading, Baseball stadium is really nice and updated, but basketball arena and facilities are the eyesore of the three and recruits and fans definitely know and feel it. It's a facilities race, now more than ever. Those things definitely matter.

Bigger isn't always better if you don't really need it. I'm pleasantly surprised with App being near the top this year but wish we still had this attendance and atmosphere from 1991. Varsity gym wasn't nearly as "nice" as the Holmes Convocation Center but it was intimate and in the middle of campus.

https://youtu.be/n5jB_FZasX0

I agree if it's not necessary and you don't need it. With the spike in App's enrollment, Holmes was necessary for App as these spaces are/should be used for more than sports. I predict Coastal to take a similar path down the line. It also gives a different perception to your program, whether accurate or not.

Coastal should build something similar to Qubein Arena at High Point. They hosted Georgia State for an exhibition tournament, and their arena was first-rate. it only held 5k seating but don't feel small at all. a fine facility for mid-major basketball games.

(01-17-2022 10:35 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  Coastal should build something similar to Qubein Arena at High Point. They hosted Georgia State for an exhibition tournament, and their arena was first-rate. it only held 5k seating but don't feel small at all. a fine facility for mid-major basketball games.

That's a really nice arena! Not too big but a comfortable size for our growth and it looks sweet! Wow, High Point had nothing like that when we were in the Big South. Hope some decision makers are reading this and grabbing ideas lol

Ok, I’m going to make an “old guy” comment, and I'm only 32.

Any Coastal fan that complains about our basketball arena must have never been around for the days in Kimbel “arena”. The HTC center (our current arena) was built after I graduated and because my basis of comparison is Kimbel, I think it’s incredibly nice. I love it.

You young whipper snappers just don’t know how good you’ve got it! Now get off my lawn and go get a job delivering milk and make something of yourself!

(01-17-2022 05:11 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  JMU - 4507
ODU - 5157
Marshall - 3944
USM - 3147

I included everything, including exhibition and non-D1, but ODU and Southern Miss each had exhibitions with no attendance listed so not quite apples to apples there. The new additions should be a nice boost here and hopefully others will be able to step it up over time.

Not sure how the other newcomers are affected by student breaks but JMU is big time....there are several games in the 4507 average above that are hurt by students being out of town.

(01-18-2022 07:40 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 05:11 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  JMU - 4507
ODU - 5157
Marshall - 3944
USM - 3147

I included everything, including exhibition and non-D1, but ODU and Southern Miss each had exhibitions with no attendance listed so not quite apples to apples there. The new additions should be a nice boost here and hopefully others will be able to step it up over time.

Not sure how the other newcomers are affected by student breaks but JMU is big time....there are several games in the 4507 average above that are hurt by students being out of town.

That happens at every school. It’s an apples to apples comparison.

(01-18-2022 06:43 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Ok, I’m going to make an “old guy” comment, and I'm only 32.

Any Coastal fan that complains about our basketball arena must have never been around for the days in Kimbel “arena”. The HTC center (our current arena) was built after I graduated and because my basis of comparison is Kimbel, I think it’s incredibly nice. I love it.

You young whipper snappers just don’t know how good you’ve got it! Now get off my lawn and go get a job delivering milk and make something of yourself!

Comparing to Kimbel, I can imagine how adding the two Endzone bleachers and videoboards might have been amazing at the time CA lol. Truth is CA, we are still lagging quite a bit in our hoops facilities. Our convocation center is smaller than Wofford. A school we are now almost 11x larger than. There is no way Coastal should hit that 15k student mark with Coastal still calling HTC home. HTC would be going on 15 years in about 5 years and I think it would have served it's window for Coastal by then. (I hope so at least, 10 years max...).should be converted to our new rec gym in the future since all the other fitness stuff and rec activities are already in there.Then that'll be pretty nice fitness and recreation center! Makes way too much sense to me. Coastal is on the map, apps are coming from all over, and the school is growing. We have committed in the our other major sports but basketball is certainly lagging behind and we are not getting back on anything right now. The same is said from almost anyone that visits our campus where work needs to be done. Gonna be hard road going forward in hoops, when our peers are blowing us out in the facilities race in our own division there. GSU is building a new arena, and GS is also developing plans. That aspect can't be understated also.

(01-17-2022 08:13 PM)purplesanman Wrote:  Because of covid, this year is still a little weird. Also, at this point in the season, a fairly high percentage would have been played when there were no students. The numbers are still not good, but I bet they would be quite a bit higher if this were a normal season and closer to the end where a larger number had been played while school was in session.

Beat me to it. Everyone’s numbers will improve from here. I’m not sure why the SBC scheduled so many conference games over the winter break.

(01-17-2022 05:11 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  JMU - 4507
ODU - 5157
Marshall - 3944
USM - 3147

I included everything, including exhibition and non-D1, but ODU and Southern Miss each had exhibitions with no attendance listed so not quite apples to apples there. The new additions should be a nice boost here and hopefully others will be able to step it up over time.

USM didn't list attendance for it exhibition as it was "free" attendance. We may have sold/distributed 3147 tickets on average but i can guarantee we only had over 1000 butts in seats for 2 games at most this season (but to be fair we've only played 5 home games so far as 3 home games have been cancelled due to Covid issues). The William Carey game (season opener) as they are a NAIA team about 5 miles down the road from USM. The only other game was game 2 vs Louisiana as nearly the entire band was in attendance and not just the "pep band" and the marketing dept pumped that game like no other this season as that's around the timeframe USM announced it's intentions to move to the Sun Belt. We have a make-up game tomorrow night vs a NAIA type school and i'd be shocked if we have more than 750 or so actual butts in seats.

(01-17-2022 05:40 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 04:58 PM)MUther Wrote:  We are horrible, I mean horrible and we still double your best. ODU will double or triple that. GaSt has a 1000 per game? I thought they were the basketball powerhouse around here. This will not do. Step it up.

Good luck with that .

Maybe everyone in the league should just "talk to us badly". This is a joke. Feel bad for the players, but our program can't be taken serious until change happens.

Not trying to talk smack here, but seeing CCU's gym on ESPN+ the other day was shocking. You guys have got to get a new building. YIKES.

It’s crazy to look at Ellis’ career and realize that in 46 years, he has had 4 jobs. That’s crazy longevity for a coach at each job. I wonder what he think when he goes to Mobile now. Good chance he could of had that job for all 46 of those years had he stayed.

Also never knew South was considering dropping to DII back in the mid-70’s before Ellis took our job and got us to the dance a few years later. But I don’t think any of us realize how close some schools have made crazy decisions. In the mid-2000’s Rice considered dropping to DIII, and Miami has considered dropping football multiple times over the last 30 years.