(01-20-2022 11:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  How is Frank Haith still getting a paycheck from Tulsa?

Good question. Another one..How is Penny?

(01-20-2022 09:09 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Penny looks dead. Zero emotions. Poor Larry.

Zero emotions?

I'm thinking you missed the post-game presser. I'll post it here once I see it on YouTube. Might be tomorrow.

Penny always looks stoic during games. He says he does that to keep his team calm. Not working.

But he lost his cool in the presser. Making national headlines now.

(01-20-2022 11:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  How is Frank Haith still getting a paycheck from Tulsa?

Good question. Another one..How is Penny?

Penny's salary is most likely paid by Bill Laurie, starting PG on the Finch/Robinson/Kenon team that made the F2 vs. Bill Walton in '73.

Laurie married a Walton. He was behind the bench during the ECU game, and seemed supportive. I'd like to check his temp after tonight.

(01-21-2022 12:22 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 09:09 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Penny looks dead. Zero emotions. Poor Larry.

Zero emotions?

I'm thinking you missed the post-game presser. I'll post it here once I see it on YouTube. Might be tomorrow.

Penny always looks stoic during games. He says he does that to keep his team calm. Not working.

But he lost his cool in the presser. Making national headlines now.

ESPN has an article posted with the video excerpt from Penny's presser.

LINK

Here is the entire presser, from Memphis' 24/7 website:

the 2 big points of penny rant is

1) i dont have my full roster
2) my guys are 17/18 year olds v 22-24yr olds

point 1) the only noteable players missing were nolley and williams....the selling point of memphis was its depth and talent

available players:
-- jalen duren- 5star elite recruits
-- emoni bates- 5star elite recuit
-- Lester Quinones - top 80 recruits with 3years experience
-- josh minot- top 30 recruit
-- Earl Timberlake - top 30 recruit/ top 10 transfer
-- Malcolm Dandridge - top 100 4star on his 3rd year
-- Tyler Harris - top 150 recruits, with 4 years with notable starting experience
-- alex lomax - top 150 recruit with 4 years with notable starting experience

-- note that he has 2 4stars he is voluntarily choosing to resdhirt

his "down and out" roster would be a dream roster for literally everyone in the AAC--


point 2) i have lots of thoughts for this one

a) he choose to have 1 and done talent-- he has the recruiting pulll to have pullled anyone he wanted this offseason, including players in the transfer portal.. if age was his prerogative he could have gotten age

b) he openly took on the preseason hype and the expectation before the season, which was based on 17/18 yr olds.. they're only 17/18 yr olds now that it looks bad on you

c) duke and kentucky win with 17/18 yr old teams, that are normally younger than his current team.. his team isnt that young!!!

(01-20-2022 11:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  How is Frank Haith still getting a paycheck from Tulsa?

Good question. Another one..How is Penny?

Kicking two proud, hard-working men when they're down, or so it seems.

What do you mean by "Another one?" - - another Head Basketball Coach with an above-average track record, and a number of significant achievements?

Frank Haith's 17-year Head Coaching career record (2005-2022):

W-L: 338-226 (.559) overall.

ACC Conference Champion (Miami (FL), 2005)

Big 12 Tournament Champion (Missouri, 2012)

2012 Missouri team finished #3 in the Final AP Top 25.

AAC regular season Champion, 2016 (Tulsa)

NIT Teams: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011 (Miami, FL), 2014 (Missouri), 2015 (Tulsa).

NIT Quarterfinalists: 2006 (Miami, FL), 2011 (Mkami, FL)

NCAA Tournament teams: 2008 (Miami (FL)), 2012, 2013 (Mizzou), 2015 (Tulsa)

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Coach Anfernee Hardaway:

Head Coaching Career Record (Memphis, 2018-2022):

72-39 (.649) Overall. (Average: 21 wins/year)

2019 & 2021 NIT Tournament Teams

2021 NIT Tournament Championship Team

Coach Hardaway has helped to increase the visability ofthe AAC. He has been far more successful than the average college head coach, midway through his fourth year as a Head Coach.

By comparison, it took Villanova Head Coach Jay Wright 5 seasons at Hofstra and 4 seasons at Villanova before he lead them - his first two college teams - to a wining record.

The two of you would have written the same words about Coach Wright in his developing years, because the phrase "another one" could also have been applied to him in 2003.

"How is Jay Wright still getting a paycheck from Hofstra?"
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"Good question." "Another one." .How is Penny?[/quote]
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(01-21-2022 02:01 AM)pesik Wrote:  the 2 big points of penny rant is

1) i dont have my full roster
2) my guys are 17/18 year olds v 22-24yr olds

point 1) the only noteable players missing were nolley and williams....the selling point of memphis was its depth and talent

available players:
-- jalen duren- 5star elite recruits
-- emoni bates- 5star elite recuit
-- Lester Quinones - top 80 recruits with 3years experience
-- josh minot- top 30 recruit
-- Earl Timberlake - top 30 recruit/ top 10 transfer
-- Malcolm Dandridge - top 100 4star on his 3rd year
-- Tyler Harris - top 150 recruits, with 4 years with notable starting experience
-- alex lomax - top 150 recruit with 4 years with notable starting experience

-- note that he has 2 4stars he is voluntarily choosing to resdhirt

his "down and out" roster would be a dream roster for literally everyone in the AAC--


point 2) i have lots of thoughts for this one

a) he choose to have 1 and done talent-- he has the recruiting pulll to have pullled anyone he wanted this offseason, including players in the transfer portal.. if age was his prerogative he could have gotten age

b) he openly took on the preseason hype and the expectation before the season, which was based on 17/18 yr olds.. they're only 17/18 yr olds now that it looks bad on you

c) duke and kentucky win with 17/18 yr old teams, that are normally younger than his current team.. his team isnt that young!!!

I can't argue with much of that, if any. I think everybody is asking if Penny can do it or not. My only quibble is that it's questionable whether Calkins should have asked that question in front of everybody right after another loss, when Penny was already hot under the collar and frustrated.

He essentially asked Penny, "Do you have doubts that you can coach this team?" How would any coach react to that? Every coach thinks he can get the job done, or he wouldn't be there. Especially Penny, who doesn't need the money.

Calkins baited Penny, and Penny took the bait. He should have ignored the question and said "Next question." Instead, he went off on an expletive filled rant that made headlines on ESPN, and elsewhere. Excuses. Not cool, as a rep of the U of M.

If he can't handle the pressure, how can he expect his team to? And he puts added pressure on them by talking about nattys and all the smoke.

(01-21-2022 02:09 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  How is Frank Haith still getting a paycheck from Tulsa?

Good question. Another one..How is Penny?

How ominous.

Kicking two proud, hard-working men when they're down, or so it seems.

Some may probablywonder what on earth you mean - - "Another what?" - - since they've both had above-average track records as Head Basketball Coaches, and some significant achievements.

Frank Haith's 17-year Head Coaching career record (2005-2022):

W-L: 338-226 (.559) overall.

ACC Conference Champion (Miami (FL), 2005)

Big 12 Tournament Champion (Missouri, 2012)

2012 Missouri team finished #3 in the Final AP Top 25.

AAC regular season Champion, 2016 (Tulsa)

NIT Teams: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011 (Miami, FL), 2014 (Missouri), 2015 (Tulsa).

NIT Quarterfinalists: 2006 (Miami, FL), 2011 (Mkami, FL)

NCAA Tournament teams: 2008 (Miami (FL)), 2012, 2013 (Mizzou), 2015 (Tulsa)

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Coach Anfernee Hardaway:

Head Coaching Career Record (Memphis, 2018-2022):

72-39 (.649) Overall. (Average: 21 wins/year)

2019 & 2021 NIT Tournament Teams

2021 NIT Tournament Championship Team

Coach Hardaway has helped to increase the visability ofthe AAC. He has been far more successful than the average college head coach, midway through his fourth year as a Head Coach.

By comparison, it took Villanova Head Coach Jay Wright 5 seasons at Hofstra and 4 seasons at Villanova before he lead them - his first two college teams - to a wining record.

Thus, one would hope - yet somehow doubt - that the two of you would have written the same words about Coach Wright in his developing hears, because the phrase "another one" have the same meaning in that case.

"How is Jay Wright still getting a paycheck from Hofstra?"

"Good question." "Another one." .How is Penny?[/quote]

Nope - somehow, doesn't have quite the same ring to it. You two must be talking about something else.
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[/quote]

Hofstra won 9 games each of the two previous years before Jay Wright arrived. He went to the NIT his first three years at Villanova (which you just listed as a good accomplishment).

Now you want to compare that to Haith who took over a Tulsa program coming off a tournament appearance and has since went to the NIT his first year, the play in game for the tournament his second, and neither since? It’s his 7th year and he’s never made the round of 64.

An asinine comparison.

(01-21-2022 04:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 02:01 AM)pesik Wrote:  the 2 big points of penny rant is

1) i dont have my full roster
2) my guys are 17/18 year olds v 22-24yr olds

point 1) the only noteable players missing were nolley and williams....the selling point of memphis was its depth and talent

available players:
-- jalen duren- 5star elite recruits
-- emoni bates- 5star elite recuit
-- Lester Quinones - top 80 recruits with 3years experience
-- josh minot- top 30 recruit
-- Earl Timberlake - top 30 recruit/ top 10 transfer
-- Malcolm Dandridge - top 100 4star on his 3rd year
-- Tyler Harris - top 150 recruits, with 4 years with notable starting experience
-- alex lomax - top 150 recruit with 4 years with notable starting experience

-- note that he has 2 4stars he is voluntarily choosing to resdhirt

his "down and out" roster would be a dream roster for literally everyone in the AAC--


point 2) i have lots of thoughts for this one

a) he choose to have 1 and done talent-- he has the recruiting pulll to have pullled anyone he wanted this offseason, including players in the transfer portal.. if age was his prerogative he could have gotten age

b) he openly took on the preseason hype and the expectation before the season, which was based on 17/18 yr olds.. they're only 17/18 yr olds now that it looks bad on you

c) duke and kentucky win with 17/18 yr old teams, that are normally younger than his current team.. his team isnt that young!!!

I can't argue with much of that, if any. I think everybody is asking if Penny can do it or not. My only quibble is that it's questionable whether Calkins should have asked that question in front of everybody right after another loss, when Penny was already hot under the collar and frustrated.

He essentially asked Penny, "Do you have doubts that you can coach this team?" How would any coach react to that? Every coach thinks he can get the job done, or he wouldn't be there. Especially Penny, who doesn't need the money.

Calkins baited Penny, and Penny took the bait. He should have ignored the question and said "Next question." Instead, he went off on an expletive filled rant that made headlines on ESPN, and elsewhere. Excuses. Not cool, as a rep of the U of M.

If he can't handle the pressure, how can he expect his team to? And he puts added pressure on them by talking about nattys and all the smoke.

but penny is weirdly getting some good press

media people who really follow college basketball, and know Memphis roster are saying it feels like an excuse

but luckily there arent that many people who follow college basketball that close and dont know which injured players on Memphis are injured or how many....they dont know that Memphis on paper should still be stacked..they just see penny unfairly judged (from his words)

these are really terrible excuses with knowledge of the team...but it might actually be smart for him to lean into it.. t could be a saving grace for the generic fans.. if he fails this year, that excuses might his only way to build momentum for next year if he is still here

(01-20-2022 09:57 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Penny asked if he's ever lost faith that he can get the job done: "This media gets f***ed up sometimes when it comes to me. Stop asking me stupid, f***ing out questions."

Jank to Penny: “Repeat after me: It's all good.”

(01-21-2022 06:58 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 02:09 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  How is Frank Haith still getting a paycheck from Tulsa?

Good question. Another one..How is Penny?

Some may wonder what on earth you mean - - "Another what?" - - since they've both had above-average track records as Head Basketball Coaches, and some significant achievements.

Frank Haith's 17-year Head Coaching career record (2005-2022):

W-L: 338-226 (.559) overall.

ACC Conference Champion (Miami (FL), 2005)

Big 12 Tournament Champion (Missouri, 2012)

2012 Missouri team finished #3 in the Final AP Top 25.

AAC regular season Champion, 2016 (Tulsa)

NIT Teams: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011 (Miami, FL), 2014 (Missouri), 2015 (Tulsa).

NIT Quarterfinalists: 2006 (Miami, FL), 2011 (Mkami, FL)

NCAA Tournament teams: 2008 (Miami (FL)), 2012, 2013 (Mizzou), 2015 (Tulsa)

.

Coach Anfernee Hardaway:

Head Coaching Career Record (Memphis, 2018-2022):

72-39 (.649) Overall. (Average: 21 wins/year)

2019 & 2021 NIT Tournament Teams

2021 NIT Tournament Championship Team

Coach Hardaway has helped to increase the visability of the AAC. He has been far more successful than the average college head coach, midway through his fourth year as a Head Coach.

By comparison, it took Villanova Head Coach Jay Wright 5 seasons at Hofstra and 4 seasons at Villanova before he lead them - his first two college teams - to a wining record.

Thus, one would hope that the two of you would have written the same words about Coach Wright in his developing hears, because the phrase "another one" have the same meaning in that case.

"How is Jay Wright still getting a paycheck from Hofstra?"
.

Hofstra won 9 games each of the two previous years before Jay Wright arrived. He went to the NIT his first three years at Villanova (which you just listed as a good accomplishment).

Now you want to compare that to Haith who took over a Tulsa program coming off a tournament appearance and has since went to the NIT his first year, the play in game for the tournament his second, and neither since? It’s his 7th year and he’s never made the round of 64.

Putting the sub-optimal comparison of Hofstra and Tulsa aside, the main topic of discussion is Memphis and Coach Hardaway.

It's more interesting to compare Hardaway's record in 2021-22 with Wright's in 2003-2004:

Wright inherited a program that had won an average of 19.7 games the past three seasons (1998-2001).

..years...Coach:...W-L.......(team: Villanova)

1998-99 Lappas: 21-11
1999-00 Lappas: 20-13
2000-01 Lappas: 18-13

2001-02 Wright: 19-13
2002-03 Wright: 15-16
2003-04 Wright: 18-17

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..years...Coach:...W-L.......(team: Memphis)

2015-16 Pastner: 19-15
2016-17 Smith: 19-13
2017-18 Smith: 21-13

2017-18 Hardaway: 22-14
2019-20 Hardaway: 21-10
2020-21 Hardaway: 20-8 (won NIT championship)
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In season #4 at Villanova (Coach Wright) and at Memphis (Coach Hardaway):

On Jan. 21, 2005, Wright's overall record at Villanova was 61-50 (.550)
On Jan. 21, 2022, Hardaway's record at Memphis is 72-40 (.643)

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The point is that, while some Memphis fans may be starting to question whether Coach Hardaway can take a team into the NCAA tournament successfully...

At the very same point in Jay Wright's career at Villanova, some Villanova fans were raising doubts about whether Jay Wright had what it took to get Villanova back into the NCAA tourney.

However, despite winning fewer games at this point in his career at Villanova, Coach Wright found a way to take 14 of his next 15 Villanova teams to the NCAA tournament and won two NCAA championships.

No one knows at this point whether Coach Hardaway has or will develop the potential to be a successful NCAA Tournament Head Coach, but the point of the comparison is that it may be far too early to conclude that he doesn't have what it takes and can't develop the chops to take a team to the Big Dance.

People were starting to write him off a year ago, on 1/21/21, when Memphis was 7-5, but they proved the skeptics wrong when they won the NIT championship.

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It's also important to take injuries into consideration:

The Tigers have gone 2-3 in the last 5 games, due in part to injuries to key players.

The Tigers' leading scorer (24 mpg) has missed 5 games with a back injury.

Junior guard Landers Nolley (25 mpg) has missed the last 2 games (knee).

Senior guard Alex Lomax (24 mpg) has missed 5 games with an ankle injury.

Soph. guard Timberlake (21 mpg) has missed 2 games.

Memphis' 2nd and 3rd leading scorers have missed a total of 5 games.

Altogether, all but three Memphis players have missed 1 or more games.

A team with a lot of injured players can find it much more difficult than otherwise to gel as a unit, especially when a team hasn't yet gelled in its first few games

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Another factor to consider is that Memphis is a young team, with 6 freshmen and 8 sophomores (average playing time/game: 100 out of 200 minutes). 40% of their minutes have been played by freshmen.

Thus, the injuries to (Seniors) Williams and Lomax and (Junior) Nolley have hit the team particularly hard in the leadership and experience department.

Teams that have to rely on a group of freshmen in key positions often take more time than more experienced teams to gel as a unit.

This is one of the challenges that Memphis has had to deal with this season, since their early season record shows that they didn't really come together and play consistently well as a unit before they were beset by injuries.

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What happens next will depend on whether they can find a way to patch together a unit that can gel and play consistently well in the next few weeks.

If they can, they certainly have the talent to win the AAC tournament and to have a successful post-season.

If they continue to be plagued by injuries, we might have to wait another year to see what Coaches Hardaway and Brown and their players can do next year.

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