(01-17-2022 06:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 05:07 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Agreed, these players are 18-22, in great shape, and seems like most have already been “boosted” getting the virus in the past three weeks.

Stop the madness.

If they did test positive they are still exempt from testing for 6 months. Nothing changed there

This change means little unless your athletes were already vaccinated at a low rate AND never tested positive recently

90 days not six months.

(01-18-2022 07:09 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:54 PM)GEAUX UL Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:46 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:19 PM)GEAUX UL Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:26 AM)Big Buds Wrote:  So it’s the people that don’t care who are at fault you missed the birth of your child? I’d say it was the banana republic we currently live in but that’s me. I’m glad to hear your child is home and well.

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It is. People who refused to take basic precautions greatly exacerbated the severity of the pandemic. Because the community spread was so much greater than it had to be, it overwhelmed the resources of hospitals. And as a result, this forced hospitals to take additional precautions to protect its patients and staff. Having a widespread Covid outbreak in the hospital — which is filled with at-risk parents and nurses who were badly needed — was a worst case scenario.

“Your freedom is more important than my safety” is such a vague statement that it is practically meaningless. Surely you don’t support my freedom to speed through red lights, shoot a gun in a crowed theatre, practice medicine without a license or degree. There’s always been a line between freedom and safety and that line has always moved and shifted over time based on what’s happening in our country/world. I’m the US COVID-19 is far and away the most deadly event to occur in at least 100 years. If you don’t want to take it seriously that’s your choice, but you shouldn’t be surprised when other people, governments, and businesses do.

Listen man, maybe people have a short memory but the whole planet came to a grinding halt for months. If masks, social distancing, vaccines and all these other precautions worked..they would have by now..it’s been 2 fricking years of this crap. This was never controllable, never will be. It’s something you have to live with, just like the flu, all this bs about blaming everyone is nonsense. I’ve lost many loved ones over the years to things that could be fixed or controlled or changed and nobody does anything about it and nobody even thinks about it bc it isn’t shoved down their throat 24/7. My obligation is to myself and my loved ones, we choose not you. You do the same and I’m never going to tell you how to do that bc it’s not up to me. People are getting fired for a “vaccine” that doesn’t even work. Health care professional are being fired for not taking the shot, the same people who treated everyone for a year with no shot. The same people who see hospitalizations from COVID and from the shot and choose not to get it. Thousands and thousands of medical professionals saw the worst if this first hand and still don’t want the shot. The same people who are making billions on this shot are the same people handing out opioids like candy. The same government who can’t make a gas can is gonna protect me from a virus? It’s a joke, you can’t run from it. You can’t destroy other peoples lives to protect you from getting sick. America is fat and unhealthy and that’s why it killed as many as it did. Its not a coincidence that the lowest deaths per capita are in the healthiest countries. You want to protect yourself from getting sick? Eat right, exercise, take vitamin D, get sunlight, cut the sugar...get healthy. People have had 2 years to do this now, people lose hundreds of pounds in 1 year. Over 100,000 overdoses this year alone...yet we hehe open borders with tons of fentanyl pouring in and opioids flying out if pharmacies...but you won’t see them hammering that on the news 24/7. If you got 3 polio “vaccines” in a year a still caught polio you wouldn’t be skeptical?

I’m going to take a wild guess that the medical information you’ve given me here comes from something you saw on Newsmax or Facebook, not an epidemiologist or other medical expert. Clearly you are living in a different reality.

There’s a reason why the US has far and away the most deaths per capita of any developed nation. And that reason is that too many people people have bought into the misinformation and faulty logic. You can ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

“My obligation is to myself and my loved ones, we choose not you.”
Also, I just have to say that this is a beautiful quote. Is that one of Jesus’ teachings? That’s what he preached right? Just look out for yourself and screw everyone else?

So are you saying America isn’t fat and unhealthy? Is that why diabetes and heart disease make up 25% of the deaths every year in the US? We are the 12th most obese country on the planet. I didn’t say just myself, me and my loved ones. If everyone does that then we got everybody covered don’t we? I told you what I think you should do to protect yourself from the virus, you just don’t like what i said. which is fine bc I don’t want to do what you think I should do. Just because you don’t agree with how I do that doesn’t make you right, and vice versa but the difference is I don’t care what you do or how you do it because it’s none of my business. Feel free to actually point out what you think
I said is Not factual instead of accusing me of getting my info from somewhere ridiculous to try to make your point. Stop deflecting and discuss. To bring this back full circle, you know who isn’t fat, obese and unhealthy? 18-22 year D1 athletes.

This guy gets it.

My father had leukemia when I was in 4th grade. At that time, when he was going through his bone marrow transplant, the regular cold would have killed him. A sinus infection would have killed him. The flu definitely would have killed him.

And you know what? No one else changed how they acted around my dad, nor did he expect it. My dad changed the way HE acted based on his own health situation.

I’ve gotten a flu shot 5 years in a row now, sporadically before that. If I skipped 2021 I wouldn’t consider myself vaccinated for flu at this moment. This seems like a reasonable step to take to minimize the chances of infection, severe cases, and game cancellations.

As expected this thread reads like Q anon.

(01-18-2022 07:31 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  I’ve gotten a flu shot 5 years in a row now, sporadically before that. If I skipped 2021 I wouldn’t consider myself vaccinated for flu at this moment. This seems like a reasonable step to take to minimize the chances of infection, severe cases, and game cancellations.

As expected this thread reads like Q anon.

Almost as reasonable as taking care of yourself and living a healthy lifestyle...but that’s just a right wing conspiracy right?

(01-18-2022 07:09 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  So are you saying America isn’t fat and unhealthy? Is that why diabetes and heart disease make up 25% of the deaths every year in the US? We are the 12th most obese country on the planet. I didn’t say just myself, me and my loved ones. If everyone does that then we got everybody covered don’t we? I told you what I think you should do to protect yourself from the virus, you just don’t like what i said. which is fine bc I don’t want to do what you think I should do. Just because you don’t agree with how I do that doesn’t make you right, and vice versa but the difference is I don’t care what you do or how you do it because it’s none of my business. Feel free to actually point out what you think
I said is Not factual instead of accusing me of getting my info from somewhere ridiculous to try to make your point. Stop deflecting and discuss. To bring this back full circle, you know who isn’t fat, obese and unhealthy? 18-22 year D1 athletes.

No, I know lots of Americans are obese. It was all the other misinformation in your post. I don't have the time to debunk every single thing you said, but I'll just do one. You said the vaccines "don't work." However it is a statistical fact that people who take the vaccine in the US are 17x less likely to be hospitalized and 20x less likely to die than unvaccinated people.


So yeah, I don't think I'm wrong to say your "facts" are ridiculous. Arguing that the vaccine doesn't work is about as ridiculous as arguing that water isn't wet.

Yes, you told me what you think I should do. The thing is I don't care what random people believe is right. I believe what the evidence shows. There is no evidence showing that working out or standing in the sun are effective at preventing or treating COVID. Being in good health helps a bit, but it isn't a real solution like a vaccine. As you can see below, not having high-risk conditions does not prevent you from being hospitalized or killed from COVID.



If you want to have a discussion about how we should or shouldn't respond to this pandemic I'd love to, but there's no way to do that when we're operating in two completely different realities.

(01-18-2022 08:38 PM)GEAUX UL Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:09 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  So are you saying America isn’t fat and unhealthy? Is that why diabetes and heart disease make up 25% of the deaths every year in the US? We are the 12th most obese country on the planet. I didn’t say just myself, me and my loved ones. If everyone does that then we got everybody covered don’t we? I told you what I think you should do to protect yourself from the virus, you just don’t like what i said. which is fine bc I don’t want to do what you think I should do. Just because you don’t agree with how I do that doesn’t make you right, and vice versa but the difference is I don’t care what you do or how you do it because it’s none of my business. Feel free to actually point out what you think
I said is Not factual instead of accusing me of getting my info from somewhere ridiculous to try to make your point. Stop deflecting and discuss. To bring this back full circle, you know who isn’t fat, obese and unhealthy? 18-22 year D1 athletes.

No, I know lots of Americans are obese. It was all the other misinformation in your post. I don't have the time to debunk every single thing you said, but I'll just do one. You said the vaccines "don't work." However it is a statistical fact that people who take the vaccine in the US are 17x less likely to be hospitalized and 20x less likely to die than unvaccinated people.


So yeah, I don't think I'm wrong to say your "facts" are ridiculous. Arguing that the vaccine doesn't work is about as ridiculous as arguing that water isn't wet.

Yes, you told me what you think I should do. The thing is I don't care what random people believe is right. I believe what the evidence shows. There is no evidence showing that working out or standing in the sun are effective at preventing or treating COVID. Being in good health helps a bit, but it isn't a real solution like a vaccine. As you can see below, not having high-risk conditions does not prevent you from being hospitalized or killed from COVID.



If you want to have a discussion about how we should or shouldn't respond to this pandemic I'd love to, but there's no way to do that when we're operating in two completely different realities.

If you take something 3 times in a year and can still catch it, spread it, get hospitalized by it and die from it..it’s not a vaccine. I’ll take my immune system all day long. I’m not a sickly person, never have been. I’ve never taken the flu shot and will never take the COVID shot. If I do get sick, I stay home. I’m living in reality, some people believe the government can protect them from a virus which is not living in reality. Notice everywhere the evidence says “fully vaccinated”? That’s 2 weeks after you get the vaccine, so people that the vaccine puts in the hospital...guess what category they go under? Here’s a hint, it’s not the fully vaccinated category

Stop. Please stop. All of you.

(01-18-2022 06:40 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  I’ve had loved ones die from the following:

Vehicle accident
Drug overdose
Heart disease
Cancer (lung)
Parkinson's disease
Suicide
War

Everyone has experienced death of a loved one and some day, we too will die. Until then, I’m going to live the best life I can full of health and laughter. I wish you all the same.

As I'm sure you know we've spent an incredible amount of time, money, and energy trying to reduce deaths from all of the above things. It is the main reason why the average American dies at 78 now instead of 35 like they did back in 1870. Some of us care about stuff like that.

(01-18-2022 08:57 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  If you take something 3 times in a year and can still catch it, spread it, get hospitalized by it and die from it..it’s not a vaccine. I’ll take my immune system all day long. I’m not a sickly person, never have been. I’ve never taken the flu shot and will never take the COVID shot. If I do get sick, I stay home. I’m living in reality, some people believe the government can protect them from a virus which is not living in reality. Notice everywhere the evidence says “fully vaccinated”? That’s 2 weeks after you get the vaccine, so people that the vaccine puts in the hospital...guess what category they go under? Here’s a hint, it’s not the fully vaccinated category

You're right. You win. You figured it all out. I'll send this right over to The CDC to let them know that all their years of medical school and decades of complex infectious disease research are no match for a guy I saw on the Sun Belt forum who knows better.

(01-18-2022 09:03 PM)GEAUX UL Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:40 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  I’ve had loved ones die from the following:

Vehicle accident
Drug overdose
Heart disease
Cancer (lung)
Parkinson's disease
Suicide
War

Everyone has experienced death of a loved one and some day, we too will die. Until then, I’m going to live the best life I can full of health and laughter. I wish you all the same.

As I'm sure you know we've spent an incredible amount of time, money, and energy trying to reduce deaths from all of the above things. It is the main reason why the average American dies at 78 now instead of 35 like they did back in 1870. Some of us care about stuff like that.

Yet none of these causes of death drastically changes the daily lifestyle of the general public…only Covid does.

Many young kids now have an identity crisis directly related to wearing a mask 40+ hours a week. And for what? That’s just one example.

I can still smoke, consume all the sugars I desire, drive without some type of mandated governor, abuse prescribed opioids and drink till I cause cirrhosis of my liver. But god forbid I want to visit NYC or any other tyrannical city/country without a Covid vaccine.

I think we should implement precautions for buying donuts.

Proof of running a mile or 20 minutes of circuit training before purchasing unhealthy foods.

That makes more sense than some of the COVID mandates people are pushing.

(01-18-2022 09:29 PM)GEAUX UL Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 08:57 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  If you take something 3 times in a year and can still catch it, spread it, get hospitalized by it and die from it..it’s not a vaccine. I’ll take my immune system all day long. I’m not a sickly person, never have been. I’ve never taken the flu shot and will never take the COVID shot. If I do get sick, I stay home. I’m living in reality, some people believe the government can protect them from a virus which is not living in reality. Notice everywhere the evidence says “fully vaccinated”? That’s 2 weeks after you get the vaccine, so people that the vaccine puts in the hospital...guess what category they go under? Here’s a hint, it’s not the fully vaccinated category

You're right. You win. You figured it all out. I'll send this right over to The CDC to let them know that all their years of medical school and decades of complex infectious disease research are no match for a guy I saw on the Sun Belt forum who knows better.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...hived.html

Closing this down before it goes off the rails