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Nobody is even trying to go to basket to draw a foul. First time all year where I haven’t been quite sure what Heath’s plan is. Poor adjustments so far.
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(01-18-2022 07:51 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Nobody is even trying to go to basket to draw a foul. First time all year where I haven’t been quite sure what Heath’s plan is. Poor adjustments so far.

Yeah, pretty bad. 13 turnovers- can’t blame it all on the players. At least they slowed down the rate of fouling on the back end of the half. We’ll see what the second has to offer.
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(01-18-2022 07:44 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  We are turnover machine

Yeah, 13 for the half.
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Worst half all season! 17 points........Ohio U and Toledo are in a class of there own currently!
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Gotta hope getting Monty back and gaining cohesion in practice with a full roster (44 days without the full team) leads to more consistent offensive flow. In the BSU and NIU games (and obviously tonight) we haven't put together a full game where we look comfortable on offense.
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8-37 on FG, and 3-21 on 3's! You can't win shooting 21 percent!
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(01-18-2022 08:43 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  8-37 on FG, and 3-21 on 3's! You can't win shooting 21 percent!

Our 19 turnovers have been even worse. Cut that in half and we 'd still be in the game, believe it or not.
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Let’s face reality: poor coaching, poor hustling, and poor playing.

This team lacks leadership! I see all of the players goofing around during warmups by trying to do these ridiculous dunks. How about going to your spots on the floor and shooting the ball!

KSU exposed us by doubling Noah and making him pass the ball off to let’s face it no other player capable of beating you with a jump shot. Brice scored the ball but he missed several wide open 3s. Like I said, we don’t have the guard play or depth and this game exposed it. I’m not high on Rice. He is only a catch and shoot player. I would give his minutes to Luka. I believe Luka will be a nice player in a couple seasons. The whole turnover thing is due to lack of talent at some positions and lack of leadership. Noah may not be ready for a leadership position. I would only play Binelli a few minutes and if he makes his first shot he stays in else he is on the bench.

This team has a long ways to go, but I still feel we could finish over 0.500 Definitely need Monty, Noah, Golson locked and ready to roll on Saturday. If they’re sick and not able to play then we will lose. If I’m Heath I knock off the highlight dunks during warmups and tell them to save them for the game. Team looks lost and not cohesive……

We can beat Akron if we come out with grit, tenacity and play to our potential.
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(01-18-2022 07:51 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Nobody is even trying to go to basket to draw a foul. First time all year where I haven’t been quite sure what Heath’s plan is. Poor adjustments so far.

EMU scored but 47-points and had it’s worse offensive game of the year. Monty being out hurt EmU in it’s two games.

I’ve said that EMU’s defense must create it’s offense. That didn’t happen in EMU as EMU did not play a pressure defense on the perimeter and try to force. EMU turnovers. As EMU had bit 5 steals in the game. EMU committed 54 more turnovers than KSU did.As a result KSU scored 5 more points than EMU did off of turnovers.

EMU was outscored by 22-points in the paint as EMU did not force KSU turnovers that lead to easy hoops, and did not attempt to fast break off of defensive rebounds. I said in anticipation of game that KSU strength of defending inside would go against EMU’s strength of it’s guards attacking the paint. EMU didn’t score well attacking the paint nor the rim, but did get to the foul-line.

KSU HC smartly played his interior defenders in a zone to take on all perimeter drives. He did fear EMU’s bigs scouring many points inside. He was right. He also pressured the three-point line and denied passes to EMU perimeter players.

There was no excuse for EMU’s excessive turnovers (19) and and 18 fouls.
More time-out should of been called to explain th players what was taking place and to stop KSU runs.

EMU’s defense held KSU to their fewest scoring points (56 points) in 7 MAC games. N.Scott starting at PF and Golson at SF helped EMU’s defense. Heath also smartly did not have them stray far from the rim or paint where they had been burnt in prior games. Result was low scoring by KSU. Defense only gave up 26 points in the first half, and 56 points in the game.

KSsU played with more intensity. Lot’s of KSU points were scored off of EMU turnovers as KSU denied EMU perimeter players passes. That were intercepted or thrown out of bounds. KSU also stoppedthe three ball by getting in EMU players grill. That’s what EMU needed to do as well. EMU didn’t do either.

In half court sets, Noah did not try to go inside to score enough. McBride did but he did not score inside but was fouled. Spottsville did not score inside.

EMU shot but 3-24 on three’s. No picks set for EMU’s three point shooters to get Noah or Scott open. No pick and rolls, no pick and pops. No inside-out plays to draw perimeter defenders in and thus provide EMU’s three point shooters open three’s. McBride was open but he kept jacking up three!s even though he was off. He shot but 1-9 on three’s.

Nate Scott’s three’s came close to going down, but he passed up some closer looks for deeper three!s.

EMU would have been far better off taking but 13 three’s as KSU did. They only shot 3-13 on three’s on far fewer three’s than than EMU took.

McBride scored 20 if EMU’s 47 points. But he shot but 3-13 the field, but was 13-13 from the foul line. His 3 fouls and 4 turnovers were bad. No other EMU players scored 10 or more points.

Noah scored but 1-point on 1-7 shooting.,He mostly just passed the ball and made no attempt to draw fouls on drives.His jumps shots were off as he jumped and brought ball to shooting pocket at the same. Such was all wrong. Suppose to get ball to shooting pocket with knees bent, then elevate and release ball. No one corrected his shooting form.

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Golson bb IQ. is bad.

Nije can’t rebound. Playing only 16-minutes, he committed four fouls and 3. Turnovers. Ballard should play and shoot far more than he has.

Binelli should not play,

To avoid turnovers, Spottsville needs to dribble first before ever driving to the hoop. He had no confidence in his jump shots and therefore avoided taking them. He scored but 4-points, as he shot but 1-6 from the field. He committed 2 fouls and 2 turnovers. Luka should have played some of his minutes.

Game to fast for Rice. Shouldn’t play till next season.

EMU should have attacked basket more than they did to either score or. draw fouls.

EMU’s conference schedule only gets tougher. Monty should be able able to play in the At Akron next Saturday.

Akron is an even bigger and more physical team than KSU. Heath will have a difficult time deciding between Spottsville, Golson,and Luca, who to play more as all three will have trouble scoring inside against Akron. Like to see Luca play more as he should provide scoring from outside, and make fewer mistakes. Also, want to see if Ballard take playing time from Njie and Golson.

One can only hope that Noah, Monty, McBride, NScott, and Ballard can provide the offense EMU needs. EMU needs to take care of the ball, attempt to force more turnovers, and fast break more.
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We have been figured out. Our offense is predicated on the ability of Noah Farrakhan to make things happen. Ball State sent a less athletic Tyler Bumbalow to get in his face on long ball attempts and sagged a bunch of help to stop him on the drive. KSU used a very good athlete, Sincere Carry to play him exclusively, in essence, the "box and one" defense. Both approaches worked and we had no answer. Monte was not there last night and McBride missed at least four absolutely uncontested threes that should have penalized Kent for their strategy.

Heath needs to make an adjustment to his offense if he wants to win conference games this year.

Personally, I see little reason for panic. We suck, but we suck less than our Michigan counterparts and we are starting THREE freshmen, with some prospects on the bench. Stan gets a pass for this year from me with his inevitable losing MAC record, but I expect much better in the future. I think we will.
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(01-19-2022 07:25 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  We have been figured out. Our offense is predicated on the ability of Noah Farrakhan to make things happen. Ball State sent a less athletic Tyler Bumbalow to get in his face on long ball attempts and sagged a bunch of help to stop him on the drive. KSU used a very good athlete, Sincere Carry to play him exclusively, in essence, the "box and one" defense. Both approaches worked and we had no answer. Monte was not there last night and McBride missed at least four absolutely uncontested threes that should have penalized Kent for their strategy.

Heath needs to make an adjustment to his offense if he wants to win conference games this year.

Personally, I see little reason for panic. We suck, but we suck less than our Michigan counterparts and we are starting THREE freshmen, with some prospects on the bench. Stan gets a pass for this year from me with his inevitable losing MAC record, but I expect much better in the future. I think we will.

EMU did start 3 freshmen in KSU game, and while EMU’s offense was terrible, even veteran teams have a hard time scoring against KSU’s defense. Not having Month play hurt EMU’s offense.

Must be remembered that EMU’s three freshman did help EMU hold KSU to scoring just 56-points in the game. This EMU young team has far better stats than last season’s veteran team.

Noah has shown that he can get anywhere he wants on the court no matter who who’s guarding him. I believe his shooting 0-7 on fga’s was due to his shooting form being off as well he wasn’t feeling well. He did make four mistakes when he attacked inside. Didn’t see Carry as being a factor.

KSU defense was primarily concentrated on stopping EMU three’s and forcing EMU turnovers. KSU scored 21-points off of EMU’s 19 turnovers. That’s 37.5 percent of KSU’s total points. Of KSU’s 23 total field goals made, 6 were off EMU’s turnovers, and 5 of KSU’s made foul shots were off of ENU’s turnovers. In the game, KSU only scored just 35 points in the game off of non-EMU turnovers.

EMU employed no counter measures nor called time-outs to explain to EMU players what KSU was doing to force EMU turnovers.

Both veteran and freshmen EMU players alike, committed excessive turnovers and fouls.

KSU held KSU to shooting but 42 percent on two’s (8-19). That was due to KSU having a formidable interior defense.
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Although in MAC play, EMU outscores opponents per 100 possessions with Njie playing by 5-points, and by 7.1 points when Golson plays, EMU would do far better playing Ballard more than either Njie or Golson as EMU outscores opponents by 27-points when Ballard plays. Same for NScott as EMU outscores opponents by 25-points when he plays.

Ballard averages 10.2 mpg and averages 2.4 fga’s per game. He’s shooting 80 percent on two’s, and 57.1 percent on three’s. If Ballard plays more minutes and can shoot anywhere near those percentages, that would be a real boost to EMU’s offense.
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(01-18-2022 09:44 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Let’s face reality: poor coaching, poor hustling, and poor playing.

This team lacks leadership! I see all of the players goofing around during warmups by trying to do these ridiculous dunks. How about going to your spots on the floor and shooting the ball!

KSU exposed us by doubling Noah and making him pass the ball off to let’s face it no other player capable of beating you with a jump shot. Brice scored the ball but he missed several wide open 3s. Like I said, we don’t have the guard play or depth and this game exposed it. I’m not high on Rice. He is only a catch and shoot player. I would give his minutes to Luka. I believe Luka will be a nice player in a couple seasons. The whole turnover thing is due to lack of talent at some positions and lack of leadership. Noah may not be ready for a leadership position. I would only play Binelli a few minutes and if he makes his first shot he stays in else he is on the bench.

This team has a long ways to go, but I still feel we could finish over 0.500 Definitely need Monty, Noah, Golson locked and ready to roll on Saturday. If they’re sick and not able to play then we will lose. If I’m Heath I knock off the highlight dunks during warmups and tell them to save them for the game. Team looks lost and not cohesive……

We can beat Akron if we come out with grit, tenacity and play to our potential.

Good stuff from you Lucky! My heart also wants to agree with you that we are a .500 team, but my head tells me otherwise. We have not played any of the top tier teams in the MAC and we are sitting at 2-3. I suspect that we could sweep the Michigan MAC trophy games and those wins could be our only conference wins.

Stan favored youth in his recruiting eschewing the quick turnaround that grad transfers would afford him. At some point he will probably decide to "flush" the season and that would not be great news for Okongo, Binelli, Spottsville and the Scotts. Their minutes will be sacrificed in favor of the freshmen, not great for the current record but a wise investment for the future. Rice is a better player than Luka in the present, but Luka clearly has a higher ceiling which will prompt more PT for him as well. Stuff like that is not likely to get us to .500.

Ballard is an interesting case as well. He plays like his hair is on fire when he comes in because his stints are so brief, he usually gets into foul trouble quickly but causes a lot of disruption. He actually is quite nice to have on the roster. Still how many years does he want to spend at EMU when he has a degree and probably will never be a starter?
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(01-20-2022 06:49 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 09:44 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Let’s face reality: poor coaching, poor hustling, and poor playing.

This team lacks leadership! I see all of the players goofing around during warmups by trying to do these ridiculous dunks. How about going to your spots on the floor and shooting the ball!

KSU exposed us by doubling Noah and making him pass the ball off to let’s face it no other player capable of beating you with a jump shot. Brice scored the ball but he missed several wide open 3s. Like I said, we don’t have the guard play or depth and this game exposed it. I’m not high on Rice. He is only a catch and shoot player. I would give his minutes to Luka. I believe Luka will be a nice player in a couple seasons. The whole turnover thing is due to lack of talent at some positions and lack of leadership. Noah may not be ready for a leadership position. I would only play Binelli a few minutes and if he makes his first shot he stays in else he is on the bench.

This team has a long ways to go, but I still feel we could finish over 0.500 Definitely need Monty, Noah, Golson locked and ready to roll on Saturday. If they’re sick and not able to play then we will lose. If I’m Heath I knock off the highlight dunks during warmups and tell them to save them for the game. Team looks lost and not cohesive……

We can beat Akron if we come out with grit, tenacity and play to our potential.

Good stuff from you Lucky! My heart also wants to agree with you that we are a .500 team, but my head tells me otherwise. We have not played any of the top tier teams in the MAC and we are sitting at 2-3. I suspect that we could sweep the Michigan MAC trophy games and those wins could be our only conference wins.

Stan favored youth in his recruiting eschewing the quick turnaround that grad transfers would afford him. At some point he will probably decide to "flush" the season and that would not be great news for Okongo, Binelli, Spottsville and the Scotts. Their minutes will be sacrificed in favor of the freshmen, not great for the current record but a wise investment for the future. Rice is a better player than Luka in the present, but Luka clearly has a higher ceiling which will prompt more PT for him as well. Stuff like that is not likely to get us to .500.

Ballard is an interesting case as well. He plays like his hair is on fire when he comes in because his stints are so brief, he usually gets into foul trouble quickly but causes a lot of disruption. He actually is quite nice to have on the roster. Still how many years does he want to spend at EMU when he has a degree and probably will never be a starter?

Don’t buy the arguments that EMU has lost MAC games because it’s, young, doesn’t have talent, does not play cohesively and not finish games because it’s a young team. Noah, Monty, McBride, Spottsville, and N.Scott are talented players. Ballard, Njie, Luca S, and Golson may still prove they deserve to be in that group.

EMU has lost MAC games because such players either missed games or played sick. This includes the KSU game.

Holding KSU to 56 points in the game indicates EMU was hustling and played very well defensively even though some young players were playing.

EMU kept it’s turnovers down and committed far less turnovers than it’s MAC opponents until players became sick.

In KSU game, EMU committed 19 turnovers, as Heath didn’t set picks for his perimeter players. Such failure allowed KSU players to get into the grill
of EMU players that led to EMU turnovers. EMU had not faced that in prior games and were not ready to play against a pressure perimeter defense.

EMU has scored exceedingly well and played cohesively in EMU’s four prior MAC games, as EMU had scored 38-points or more in at least one-half in each of those four MAC games.

EMU gave up leads in second Hal’s of games throughout the season as it made to no attempt to stop the three ball when leading toward the end of games.

For EMU to be successful it needs both Noah and Monty healthy. Both can shoot off the dribble.

Agree with your comments on Rice and Binelli.

Team is going to struggle and look bad till Noah and Monty are playing together and the team is at full strength.

As we have in the KSU game, EMU can’t score many points when McBride and Spottsville are EMU’s primary scorers.

Time to see if Ballard can score well shooting more. As EMU needs a big who can hit the three-ball at a high rate.

Given EMU players health problems, the question is not what EMU’s final conference record will be, but rather whether EMU finishes among the MAC’s top eight so it can play in the MAC Tournament.

Heath is not going throw in the towel. Sure Heath will try to win games and get into the MAC tournament. He’s given young players plenty of opportunities to prove themselves.
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Just out of curiosity did eastern Michigan offer ryan rollins outta highschool?? I still find it hard to believe all those Michigan schools let him get out of state.
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(01-21-2022 10:44 AM)Macfan123 Wrote:  Just out of curiosity did eastern Michigan offer ryan rollins outta highschool?? I still find it hard to believe all those Michigan schools let him get out of state.

He didn’t fit Murphy’s mold - he doesn’t like lightening quick guards who jump threw the roof and can score at will. Instead he recruited lengthy players who could slide 4-5 feet in any direction from their zone spot and can’t hit the floor with their shot. Sarcasm
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(01-21-2022 10:50 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 10:44 AM)Macfan123 Wrote:  Just out of curiosity did eastern Michigan offer ryan rollins outta highschool?? I still find it hard to believe all those Michigan schools let him get out of state.

He didn’t fit Murphy’s mold - he doesn’t like lightening quick guards who jump threw the roof and can score at will. Instead he recruited lengthy players who could slide 4-5 feet in any direction from their zone spot and can’t hit the floor with their shot. Sarcasm

Luckey’s sarcasm is pretty accurate actually (and funny!). But in any case, Toledo is practically Michigan (and could have been if the federal government did not stop the war before it started… haha). So not surprised he went there.
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(01-21-2022 12:11 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 10:50 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 10:44 AM)Macfan123 Wrote:  Just out of curiosity did eastern Michigan offer ryan rollins outta highschool?? I still find it hard to believe all those Michigan schools let him get out of state.

He didn’t fit Murphy’s mold - he doesn’t like lightening quick guards who jump threw the roof and can score at will. Instead he recruited lengthy players who could slide 4-5 feet in any direction from their zone spot and can’t hit the floor with their shot. Sarcasm

Luckey’s sarcasm is pretty accurate actually (and funny!). But in any case, Toledo is practically Michigan (and could have been if the federal government did not stop the war before it started… haha). So not surprised he went there.

Lucky's post may have been the most comedic yet true comment this year.

Murph probably did give him a look but if you actually like scoring the ball, our stand around offense that used a lot of shot clock and kept scores low is not for you.
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Toledo beat tonight Ohio 87-69. Rollins scored 26-points.
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Buffalo is beating KSU 34-24 at the half. KSU scored but just 26 points in the first-half playing EMU.Buffalo won 64-51. Very confident that EMU would have also scored 64 points or more against KSU if EMU played with with a healthy Noah, if Monty had started and played in the KSU game, and EMZ has adjusted it’s offense so EMU would not have committed so many turnovers.

We’ll get to see if EMU can beat both KSU and Buffalo when they play each team.
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