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(08-04-2022 03:06 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  I consider Campbell to be the most underrated athletic program in the state. 10-15 years ago I wouldn’t be happy about this addition. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they hang more banners than us across all sports in the next decade.

One downside is they clearly have a clear vision and strong leadership and I fully expect them to make the jump to fbs in the next 2-3 years. Sunbelt would be a reasonable place for them to land for football. I believe their time in the CAA could be short.

I agree they are underrated but you jumped the shark on the jump to FBS so quickly. They are still a school with about 6,000 students. They are still a school averaging 5,000 in attendance.

For comparison sake JMU was averaging over 23k before the pandemic, App State over 23k, Coastal at 15k which is one of the lowest in the Sunbelt. NC A&T is far more likely to make the jump to FBS quickly with a stadium capacity of 21k and averaging 15k. They have a strong fan base that has a large geographic footprint and have almost 12,000 students.
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Ok, with the addition of Campbell the CAA is at 14 for all sports and 15 for football. I still think the goal is 16 and it's becoming apparent the CAA is going for schools near "big markets" based on the statements i'm reading. We can add a football school and a non football school to even out at 16 for football and basketball.

IMO, Winthrop now makes a lot of sense as a non football school near Charlotte. Then add a school with football and the CAA is done.
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(08-04-2022 05:52 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Ok, with the addition of Campbell the CAA is at 14 for all sports and 15 for football. I still think the goal is 16 and it's becoming apparent the CAA is going for schools near "big markets" based on the statements i'm reading. We can add a football school and a non football school to even out at 16 for football and basketball.

IMO, Winthrop now makes a lot of sense as a non football school near Charlotte. Then add a school with football and the CAA is done.

High Point U?
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I'd do Winthrop and UMBC for all sports with Bryant as a football affiliate if 16/16 is the goal
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(08-04-2022 05:59 AM)Seahawk75 Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:52 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Ok, with the addition of Campbell the CAA is at 14 for all sports and 15 for football. I still think the goal is 16 and it's becoming apparent the CAA is going for schools near "big markets" based on the statements i'm reading. We can add a football school and a non football school to even out at 16 for football and basketball.

IMO, Winthrop now makes a lot of sense as a non football school near Charlotte. Then add a school with football and the CAA is done.

High Point U?

The CAA seems to be targeting schools near big markets. NC A&T and Elon take care of the Piedmont area which includes High Point. What we don't have is a school near the largest city in North Carolina which is Charlotte. Probably the reason a school like Queens College was interviewed by the CAA. The addition of Campbell tightens the geography of a southern division making it more likely Winthrop would come on board and Winthrop is near Charlotte. They would also help College of Charleston with their location.
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(08-04-2022 06:14 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:59 AM)Seahawk75 Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:52 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Ok, with the addition of Campbell the CAA is at 14 for all sports and 15 for football. I still think the goal is 16 and it's becoming apparent the CAA is going for schools near "big markets" based on the statements i'm reading. We can add a football school and a non football school to even out at 16 for football and basketball.

IMO, Winthrop now makes a lot of sense as a non football school near Charlotte. Then add a school with football and the CAA is done.

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The CAA seems to be targeting schools near big markets. NC A&T and Elon take care of the Piedmont area which includes High Point. What we don't have is a school near the largest city in North Carolina which is Charlotte. Probably the reason a school like Queens College was interviewed by the CAA. The addition of Campbell tightens the geography of a southern division making it more likely Winthrop would come on board and Winthrop is near Charlotte. They would also help College of Charleston with their location.

I bet the CAA goes Queens over Winthrop if they go to 16, after Queens finishes its transition to become a full D1 member
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(08-04-2022 08:54 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:14 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:59 AM)Seahawk75 Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:52 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Ok, with the addition of Campbell the CAA is at 14 for all sports and 15 for football. I still think the goal is 16 and it's becoming apparent the CAA is going for schools near "big markets" based on the statements i'm reading. We can add a football school and a non football school to even out at 16 for football and basketball.

IMO, Winthrop now makes a lot of sense as a non football school near Charlotte. Then add a school with football and the CAA is done.

High Point U?

The CAA seems to be targeting schools near big markets. NC A&T and Elon take care of the Piedmont area which includes High Point. What we don't have is a school near the largest city in North Carolina which is Charlotte. Probably the reason a school like Queens College was interviewed by the CAA. The addition of Campbell tightens the geography of a southern division making it more likely Winthrop would come on board and Winthrop is near Charlotte. They would also help College of Charleston with their location.

I bet the CAA goes Queens over Winthrop if they go to 16, after Queens finishes its transition to become a full D1 member

I'll take that bet.
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Does Winthrop really move the needle for CoC? I'm not opposed to adding Winthrop, but without Charleston, the Southern Division loses a lot of it's appeal to me as a UNCW fan. Charleston is who I want our central rivalry to be with. Then we have history with W&M and now proximity with Campbell. That is a solid rival pod, plus additional state competition with Elon and A&T.
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The South division that has been created with the addition of Campbell is the best TRAVEL COST situation UNCW has had arguably ever, but at least since the days of Richmond and ECU in the CAA.

If they want to further consolidate travel costs expansion to 16 would be wise. Getting a school in the Charlotte area would make sense. I'm still a fan of UNC Central too with their emphasis on basketball.

UMBC in the north would give Towson a travel partner. You could also look to give Northeastern a school nearby with Fairfield. Albany would probably want to go all in with the CAA like Stony Brook did, but that doesn't help anyone's travel.

Whatever happens its nice to see the CAA focusing on one thing they can control, saving on travel costs, since there is no blockbuster candidate out there that would help make the CAA a multibid league
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(08-04-2022 10:11 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Does Winthrop really move the needle for CoC? I'm not opposed to adding Winthrop, but without Charleston, the Southern Division loses a lot of it's appeal to me as a UNCW fan. Charleston is who I want our central rivalry to be with. Then we have history with W&M and now proximity with Campbell. That is a solid rival pod, plus additional state competition with Elon and A&T.

I don't think CofC is going anywhere regardless, but Winthrop is another school that makes the southern division of the CAA more attractive to them. They move the needle as much as anyone else as a good basketball program. Unfortunately there aren't really any schools in South Carolina that would make sense. If they are in a division that extends from Hampton VA to Charleston they have to be happy with that arrangement. Winthrop being near Charlotte makes it a whole lot easier for alums of a lot of CAA schools to attend games with UNCW. Not sure if it will happen but it makes sense.
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(08-04-2022 05:08 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 03:06 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  I consider Campbell to be the most underrated athletic program in the state. 10-15 years ago I wouldn’t be happy about this addition. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they hang more banners than us across all sports in the next decade.

One downside is they clearly have a clear vision and strong leadership and I fully expect them to make the jump to fbs in the next 2-3 years. Sunbelt would be a reasonable place for them to land for football. I believe their time in the CAA could be short.

I agree they are underrated but you jumped the shark on the jump to FBS so quickly. They are still a school with about 6,000 students. They are still a school averaging 5,000 in attendance.

For comparison sake JMU was averaging over 23k before the pandemic, App State over 23k, Coastal at 15k which is one of the lowest in the Sunbelt. NC A&T is far more likely to make the jump to FBS quickly with a stadium capacity of 21k and averaging 15k. They have a strong fan base that has a large geographic footprint and have almost 12,000 students.

Fair enough. Maybe I was a bit carried away. I still expect them to outpace us in terms of progression of their athletic department as a whole. I’ve been very impressed with all that they have done. Growth, branding, successful teams, clear strategic vision, etc. At this rate they should surpass UNCW. A major issue for them is geography but I could see them overcoming.
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(08-05-2022 03:49 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:08 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 03:06 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  I consider Campbell to be the most underrated athletic program in the state. 10-15 years ago I wouldn’t be happy about this addition. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they hang more banners than us across all sports in the next decade.

One downside is they clearly have a clear vision and strong leadership and I fully expect them to make the jump to fbs in the next 2-3 years. Sunbelt would be a reasonable place for them to land for football. I believe their time in the CAA could be short.

I agree they are underrated but you jumped the shark on the jump to FBS so quickly. They are still a school with about 6,000 students. They are still a school averaging 5,000 in attendance.

For comparison sake JMU was averaging over 23k before the pandemic, App State over 23k, Coastal at 15k which is one of the lowest in the Sunbelt. NC A&T is far more likely to make the jump to FBS quickly with a stadium capacity of 21k and averaging 15k. They have a strong fan base that has a large geographic footprint and have almost 12,000 students.

Fair enough. Maybe I was a bit carried away. I still expect them to outpace us in terms of progression of their athletic department as a whole. I’ve been very impressed with all that they have done. Growth, branding, successful teams, clear strategic vision, etc. At this rate they should surpass UNCW. A major issue for them is geography but I could see them overcoming.
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Campbell is a solid add and frankly I am surprised they would want to join the CAA at this point . They seem to have good leadership there and money which of course are the twi things all athletic departments should crave . Baseball will automatically be a contender in the CAA -they had 2 first rounders this year and plenty of returning talent . Not sure about basketball or the other sports but facilities are a plus and they have solid fan support.
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(08-05-2022 01:45 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Baseball will automatically be a contender in the CAA -they had 2 first rounders this year

who was the second, other than Neto, who was the first first rounder in program hisotry?
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(08-05-2022 02:41 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 01:45 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Baseball will automatically be a contender in the CAA -they had 2 first rounders this year

who was the second, other than Neto, who was the first first rounder in program hisotry?

Thomas Harrington (a former walk-on) was a competitive balance pick...#36 overall to Pittsburg. I think I recall hearing that Harrington was the highest draft pick from Campbell other than Neto.
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Harrington was the other guy and they had another pitcher drafted in the 17th round-Chasse. They have talent coming back,good young coaches and better facilities than any CAA baseball stadium/field I have seen .
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(08-05-2022 03:32 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 02:41 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 01:45 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Baseball will automatically be a contender in the CAA -they had 2 first rounders this year

who was the second, other than Neto, who was the first first rounder in program hisotry?

Thomas Harrington (a former walk-on) was a competitive balance pick...#36 overall to Pittsburg. I think I recall hearing that Harrington was the highest draft pick from Campbell other than Neto.
CRAZY, that a former walk on got picked that high! If he's not a poster child for you can do anything with hard work, i don't know what is! And i think that would be correct in terms of being the highest other than Neto. The article i read said Neto was the only first rounder in program history
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(08-07-2022 07:42 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 03:32 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 02:41 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 01:45 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Baseball will automatically be a contender in the CAA -they had 2 first rounders this year

who was the second, other than Neto, who was the first first rounder in program hisotry?

Thomas Harrington (a former walk-on) was a competitive balance pick...#36 overall to Pittsburg. I think I recall hearing that Harrington was the highest draft pick from Campbell other than Neto.
The article i read said Neto was the only first rounder in program history

Technically, he wasn't a first round pick, but indeed a nice accomplishment for the program and a testament to his hard work.
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