(01-16-2022 04:57 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 01:58 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 01:52 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The WAC is not in danger of falling. Ridiculous statement.

They are more secure now than the last cycle.

Agree the WAC is trending in the right direction, but a series of well-coordinated events would be fatal to the WAC: C-USA taking three WAC FCS members, and Gonzaga leaving the WCC. Gonzaga's departure opens up spots in the WCC for Seattle (travel partner for Portland) and Cal Baptist (evens out travel partner arrangements in California).

Even then, that would leave the WAC with eight schools, four of whom play FCS football, and four of whom play soccer - as long as no one else bails they should be able to get through it.

The WAC cannot die. It's like a cockroach.

I agreed until recently, when we let all the Texas schools in, who also are looking for the first route out when it becomes available. Then, the WAC may be in trouble. Not only has the Texas schools addition prompted Chicago to get the boot, it will also likely take RGV out of the WAC when the others leave. Sad turn of events for a conference that has survivied so long.

I don't see a WAC demise as by any means impending.

-CUSA has a set of 9 solid FBS members. The tradition of NMSU/UTEP. The cash of Liberty. FCS playoff contenders in SHSU and JSU. There are the FCS-FBS upgrade timelines but I think there is a sense they have a tight enough group now where they can wait and see.

-Gonzaga is not a serious threat to move to the MWC at the moment. The reason is they are milking the NCAAT units. Units cap out at 5 per school up to a final four appearance. WCC splits evenly the first unit and then I think after that its 50/50 split going to the team that earns it.

https://apnews.com/article/275680042f9e4...4fbca0ff10

Gonzaga then is not going to go MWC until the NCAAT fund starts to run dry and as long as the remain a Sweet 16 to FF program that won't be anytime soon. Seattle then may be blocked from moving to the WCC for another decade or so.

-Potential of the WAC finding more DII replacements from California to Texas is out there, particularly as the configuration evolves. Programs that don't have anywhere else to go as the Big West is picky and the Big Sky has plenty of members.

California Collegiate Conference has 7 Cal Sate schools in it. I could see where if the WAC invites 3-4 they'd move as a group to the WAC. Metro State is out there as possibility from Colorado. West Texas A&M has played at a higher level before.

-NMSU was for all intents and purposes the flagship of the WAC. With them out of there it opens the door for others in basketball.

(01-16-2022 12:25 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:57 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 01:58 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  They are more secure now than the last cycle.

Agree the WAC is trending in the right direction, but a series of well-coordinated events would be fatal to the WAC: C-USA taking three WAC FCS members, and Gonzaga leaving the WCC. Gonzaga's departure opens up spots in the WCC for Seattle (travel partner for Portland) and Cal Baptist (evens out travel partner arrangements in California).

Even then, that would leave the WAC with eight schools, four of whom play FCS football, and four of whom play soccer - as long as no one else bails they should be able to get through it.

The WAC cannot die. It's like a cockroach.

I agreed until recently, when we let all the Texas schools in, who also are looking for the first route out when it becomes available. Then, the WAC may be in trouble. Not only has the Texas schools addition prompted Chicago to get the boot, it will also likely take RGV out of the WAC when the others leave. Sad turn of events for a conference that has survivied so long.

I don't see a WAC demise as by any means impending.

-CUSA has a set of 9 solid FBS members. The tradition of NMSU/UTEP. The cash of Liberty. FCS playoff contenders in SHSU and JSU. There are the FCS-FBS upgrade timelines but I think there is a sense they have a tight enough group now where they can wait and see.

-Gonzaga is not a serious threat to move to the MWC at the moment. The reason is they are milking the NCAAT units. Units cap out at 5 per school up to a final four appearance. WCC splits evenly the first unit and then I think after that its 50/50 split going to the team that earns it.

https://apnews.com/article/275680042f9e4...4fbca0ff10

Gonzaga then is not going to go MWC until the NCAAT fund starts to run dry and as long as the remain a Sweet 16 to FF program that won't be anytime soon. Seattle then may be blocked from moving to the WCC for another decade or so.

-Potential of the WAC finding more DII replacements from California to Texas is out there, particularly as the configuration evolves. Programs that don't have anywhere else to go as the Big West is picky and the Big Sky has plenty of members.

California Collegiate Conference has 7 Cal Sate schools in it. I could see where if the WAC invites 3-4 they'd move as a group to the WAC. Metro State is out there as possibility from Colorado. West Texas A&M has played at a higher level before.

-NMSU was for all intents and purposes the flagship of the WAC. With them out of there it opens the door for others in basketball.

If you're talking about the D2 California Collegiate Athletic Association, all 12 members are Cal State schools. Right now only 2 of the schools can move to D1 and that is most likely not going to change any time soon. In the last 6 years, CCAA members have dropped 4 sports and the only sport that was added was women's indoor track by a school that already had women's outdoor track. That is one of the least amount of changes within a conference in all of D2. Metro State is out there but really not much of a possibility.

(01-16-2022 01:54 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:25 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:57 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Agree the WAC is trending in the right direction, but a series of well-coordinated events would be fatal to the WAC: C-USA taking three WAC FCS members, and Gonzaga leaving the WCC. Gonzaga's departure opens up spots in the WCC for Seattle (travel partner for Portland) and Cal Baptist (evens out travel partner arrangements in California).

Even then, that would leave the WAC with eight schools, four of whom play FCS football, and four of whom play soccer - as long as no one else bails they should be able to get through it.

The WAC cannot die. It's like a cockroach.

I agreed until recently, when we let all the Texas schools in, who also are looking for the first route out when it becomes available. Then, the WAC may be in trouble. Not only has the Texas schools addition prompted Chicago to get the boot, it will also likely take RGV out of the WAC when the others leave. Sad turn of events for a conference that has survivied so long.

I don't see a WAC demise as by any means impending.

-CUSA has a set of 9 solid FBS members. The tradition of NMSU/UTEP. The cash of Liberty. FCS playoff contenders in SHSU and JSU. There are the FCS-FBS upgrade timelines but I think there is a sense they have a tight enough group now where they can wait and see.

-Gonzaga is not a serious threat to move to the MWC at the moment. The reason is they are milking the NCAAT units. Units cap out at 5 per school up to a final four appearance. WCC splits evenly the first unit and then I think after that its 50/50 split going to the team that earns it.

https://apnews.com/article/275680042f9e4...4fbca0ff10

Gonzaga then is not going to go MWC until the NCAAT fund starts to run dry and as long as the remain a Sweet 16 to FF program that won't be anytime soon. Seattle then may be blocked from moving to the WCC for another decade or so.

-Potential of the WAC finding more DII replacements from California to Texas is out there, particularly as the configuration evolves. Programs that don't have anywhere else to go as the Big West is picky and the Big Sky has plenty of members.

California Collegiate Conference has 7 Cal Sate schools in it. I could see where if the WAC invites 3-4 they'd move as a group to the WAC. Metro State is out there as possibility from Colorado. West Texas A&M has played at a higher level before.

-NMSU was for all intents and purposes the flagship of the WAC. With them out of there it opens the door for others in basketball.

If you're talking about the D2 California Collegiate Athletic Association, all 12 members are Cal State schools. Right now only 2 of the schools can move to D1 and that is most likely not going to change any time soon. In the last 6 years, CCAA members have dropped 4 sports and the only sport that was added was women's indoor track by a school that already had women's outdoor track. That is one of the least amount of changes within a conference in all of D2. Metro State is out there but really not much of a possibility.

who are the 2? CS LA? and CPP?

(01-16-2022 03:29 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 01:54 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:25 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:57 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The WAC cannot die. It's like a cockroach.

I agreed until recently, when we let all the Texas schools in, who also are looking for the first route out when it becomes available. Then, the WAC may be in trouble. Not only has the Texas schools addition prompted Chicago to get the boot, it will also likely take RGV out of the WAC when the others leave. Sad turn of events for a conference that has survivied so long.

I don't see a WAC demise as by any means impending.

-CUSA has a set of 9 solid FBS members. The tradition of NMSU/UTEP. The cash of Liberty. FCS playoff contenders in SHSU and JSU. There are the FCS-FBS upgrade timelines but I think there is a sense they have a tight enough group now where they can wait and see.

-Gonzaga is not a serious threat to move to the MWC at the moment. The reason is they are milking the NCAAT units. Units cap out at 5 per school up to a final four appearance. WCC splits evenly the first unit and then I think after that its 50/50 split going to the team that earns it.

https://apnews.com/article/275680042f9e4...4fbca0ff10

Gonzaga then is not going to go MWC until the NCAAT fund starts to run dry and as long as the remain a Sweet 16 to FF program that won't be anytime soon. Seattle then may be blocked from moving to the WCC for another decade or so.

-Potential of the WAC finding more DII replacements from California to Texas is out there, particularly as the configuration evolves. Programs that don't have anywhere else to go as the Big West is picky and the Big Sky has plenty of members.

California Collegiate Conference has 7 Cal Sate schools in it. I could see where if the WAC invites 3-4 they'd move as a group to the WAC. Metro State is out there as possibility from Colorado. West Texas A&M has played at a higher level before.

-NMSU was for all intents and purposes the flagship of the WAC. With them out of there it opens the door for others in basketball.

If you're talking about the D2 California Collegiate Athletic Association, all 12 members are Cal State schools. Right now only 2 of the schools can move to D1 and that is most likely not going to change any time soon. In the last 6 years, CCAA members have dropped 4 sports and the only sport that was added was women's indoor track by a school that already had women's outdoor track. That is one of the least amount of changes within a conference in all of D2. Metro State is out there but really not much of a possibility.

who are the 2? CS LA? and CPP?

CSU-Dominguez Hills might be one. They went into a partnership with a pro-soccer team that built a great sports facilities plus close to a 30,000 seat stadium for pro-soccer that was a temp home for LA Raiders on their campus.

(01-16-2022 04:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 03:29 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 01:54 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:25 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:57 AM)Todor Wrote:  I agreed until recently, when we let all the Texas schools in, who also are looking for the first route out when it becomes available. Then, the WAC may be in trouble. Not only has the Texas schools addition prompted Chicago to get the boot, it will also likely take RGV out of the WAC when the others leave. Sad turn of events for a conference that has survivied so long.

I don't see a WAC demise as by any means impending.

-CUSA has a set of 9 solid FBS members. The tradition of NMSU/UTEP. The cash of Liberty. FCS playoff contenders in SHSU and JSU. There are the FCS-FBS upgrade timelines but I think there is a sense they have a tight enough group now where they can wait and see.

-Gonzaga is not a serious threat to move to the MWC at the moment. The reason is they are milking the NCAAT units. Units cap out at 5 per school up to a final four appearance. WCC splits evenly the first unit and then I think after that its 50/50 split going to the team that earns it.

https://apnews.com/article/275680042f9e4...4fbca0ff10

Gonzaga then is not going to go MWC until the NCAAT fund starts to run dry and as long as the remain a Sweet 16 to FF program that won't be anytime soon. Seattle then may be blocked from moving to the WCC for another decade or so.

-Potential of the WAC finding more DII replacements from California to Texas is out there, particularly as the configuration evolves. Programs that don't have anywhere else to go as the Big West is picky and the Big Sky has plenty of members.

California Collegiate Conference has 7 Cal Sate schools in it. I could see where if the WAC invites 3-4 they'd move as a group to the WAC. Metro State is out there as possibility from Colorado. West Texas A&M has played at a higher level before.

-NMSU was for all intents and purposes the flagship of the WAC. With them out of there it opens the door for others in basketball.

If you're talking about the D2 California Collegiate Athletic Association, all 12 members are Cal State schools. Right now only 2 of the schools can move to D1 and that is most likely not going to change any time soon. In the last 6 years, CCAA members have dropped 4 sports and the only sport that was added was women's indoor track by a school that already had women's outdoor track. That is one of the least amount of changes within a conference in all of D2. Metro State is out there but really not much of a possibility.

who are the 2? CS LA? and CPP?

CSU-Dominguez Hills might be one. They went into a partnership with a pro-soccer team that built a great sports facilities plus close to a 30,000 seat stadium for pro-soccer that was a temp home for LA Raiders on their campus.

It was the Chargers, in Carson CA. I go to Carson a couple times a yr., Torrance is close but CSUDH doesn't play football so why does it matter.

(01-16-2022 04:48 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 03:29 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 01:54 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:25 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I don't see a WAC demise as by any means impending.

-CUSA has a set of 9 solid FBS members. The tradition of NMSU/UTEP. The cash of Liberty. FCS playoff contenders in SHSU and JSU. There are the FCS-FBS upgrade timelines but I think there is a sense they have a tight enough group now where they can wait and see.

-Gonzaga is not a serious threat to move to the MWC at the moment. The reason is they are milking the NCAAT units. Units cap out at 5 per school up to a final four appearance. WCC splits evenly the first unit and then I think after that its 50/50 split going to the team that earns it.

https://apnews.com/article/275680042f9e4...4fbca0ff10

Gonzaga then is not going to go MWC until the NCAAT fund starts to run dry and as long as the remain a Sweet 16 to FF program that won't be anytime soon. Seattle then may be blocked from moving to the WCC for another decade or so.

-Potential of the WAC finding more DII replacements from California to Texas is out there, particularly as the configuration evolves. Programs that don't have anywhere else to go as the Big West is picky and the Big Sky has plenty of members.

California Collegiate Conference has 7 Cal Sate schools in it. I could see where if the WAC invites 3-4 they'd move as a group to the WAC. Metro State is out there as possibility from Colorado. West Texas A&M has played at a higher level before.

-NMSU was for all intents and purposes the flagship of the WAC. With them out of there it opens the door for others in basketball.

If you're talking about the D2 California Collegiate Athletic Association, all 12 members are Cal State schools. Right now only 2 of the schools can move to D1 and that is most likely not going to change any time soon. In the last 6 years, CCAA members have dropped 4 sports and the only sport that was added was women's indoor track by a school that already had women's outdoor track. That is one of the least amount of changes within a conference in all of D2. Metro State is out there but really not much of a possibility.

who are the 2? CS LA? and CPP?

CSU-Dominguez Hills might be one. They went into a partnership with a pro-soccer team that built a great sports facilities plus close to a 30,000 seat stadium for pro-soccer that was a temp home for LA Raiders on their campus.

It was the Chargers, in Carson CA. I go to Carson a couple times a yr., Torrance is close but CSUDH doesn't play football so why does it matter.

California State-Dominguez Hills is at the D2 minimum of 4m/6w sports. David, however fast you can type 'gotoros.com' is all the time you needed to know that.

California State Poly-Pomona has 5m/6w sports and they were the school that added women's indoor track for the 2019-20 season which gave them 1 sport above the D2 minimum.

California State-Los Angeles has 5m/9w sports putting them 1 men's sport short for D1. CSULA is 1 of 7 schools that have enough total sports but have only 5 for men.

The two that make the cut are California State-East Bay with 6m/9w and California State-Stanislaus with 6m/8w.

(01-16-2022 06:17 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:48 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 03:29 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 01:54 PM)AZcats Wrote:  If you're talking about the D2 California Collegiate Athletic Association, all 12 members are Cal State schools. Right now only 2 of the schools can move to D1 and that is most likely not going to change any time soon. In the last 6 years, CCAA members have dropped 4 sports and the only sport that was added was women's indoor track by a school that already had women's outdoor track. That is one of the least amount of changes within a conference in all of D2. Metro State is out there but really not much of a possibility.

who are the 2? CS LA? and CPP?

CSU-Dominguez Hills might be one. They went into a partnership with a pro-soccer team that built a great sports facilities plus close to a 30,000 seat stadium for pro-soccer that was a temp home for LA Raiders on their campus.

It was the Chargers, in Carson CA. I go to Carson a couple times a yr., Torrance is close but CSUDH doesn't play football so why does it matter.

California State-Dominguez Hills is at the D2 minimum of 4m/6w sports. David, however fast you can type 'gotoros.com' is all the time you needed to know that.

California State Poly-Pomona has 5m/6w sports and they were the school that added women's indoor track for the 2019-20 season which gave them 1 sport above the D2 minimum.

California State-Los Angeles has 5m/9w sports putting them 1 men's sport short for D1. CSULA is 1 of 7 schools that have enough total sports but have only 5 for men.

The two that make the cut are California State-East Bay with 6m/9w and California State-Stanislaus with 6m/8w.

I would never expect Turlock to be the home of a D-I school.

(01-16-2022 06:17 PM)AZcats Wrote:  California State-Dominguez Hills is at the D2 minimum of 4m/6w sports. David, however fast you can type 'gotoros.com' is all the time you needed to know that.

California State Poly-Pomona has 5m/6w sports and they were the school that added women's indoor track for the 2019-20 season which gave them 1 sport above the D2 minimum.

California State-Los Angeles has 5m/9w sports putting them 1 men's sport short for D1. CSULA is 1 of 7 schools that have enough total sports but have only 5 for men.

The two that make the cut are California State-East Bay with 6m/9w and California State-Stanislaus with 6m/8w.

The number of sports a D2 school happens to have right now doesn't determine whether it can or can't move to D1. No matter what, a school would have to add scholarships, whether it's for existing sports or new ones, and that comes down to money and commitment.

(01-16-2022 06:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 06:17 PM)AZcats Wrote:  California State-Dominguez Hills is at the D2 minimum of 4m/6w sports. David, however fast you can type 'gotoros.com' is all the time you needed to know that.

California State Poly-Pomona has 5m/6w sports and they were the school that added women's indoor track for the 2019-20 season which gave them 1 sport above the D2 minimum.

California State-Los Angeles has 5m/9w sports putting them 1 men's sport short for D1. CSULA is 1 of 7 schools that have enough total sports but have only 5 for men.

The two that make the cut are California State-East Bay with 6m/9w and California State-Stanislaus with 6m/8w.

The number of sports a D2 school happens to have right now doesn't determine whether it can or can't move to D1. No matter what, a school would have to add scholarships, whether it's for existing sports or new ones, and that comes down to money and commitment.

Yeah, they do add sports before moving up. Some schools do have donars to move up.

(01-16-2022 06:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 06:17 PM)AZcats Wrote:  California State-Dominguez Hills is at the D2 minimum of 4m/6w sports. David, however fast you can type 'gotoros.com' is all the time you needed to know that.

California State Poly-Pomona has 5m/6w sports and they were the school that added women's indoor track for the 2019-20 season which gave them 1 sport above the D2 minimum.

California State-Los Angeles has 5m/9w sports putting them 1 men's sport short for D1. CSULA is 1 of 7 schools that have enough total sports but have only 5 for men.

The two that make the cut are California State-East Bay with 6m/9w and California State-Stanislaus with 6m/8w.

The number of sports a D2 school happens to have right now doesn't determine whether it can or can't move to D1. No matter what, a school would have to add scholarships, whether it's for existing sports or new ones, and that comes down to money and commitment.

Completely agree that scholarships would have to be added but that doesn't determine reclassification eligibility. A school can not increase scholarship awards above the D2 limits and continue to compete in D2; those additional scholarships to get to the D1 limits are added during the 4-year D1 reclassification period.

The number of sports a school has right now is step (b) in determining if they are eligible for D1. Of course they can change their eligibility status in the future by adding the sports where needed. No school at least since the first revision of this rule has moved to D1 without already competing in 7/7 or 6m/8m sports. Article 20 outlines division membership policy and it's not until 20.9.10.2.4 when anything is said about scholarships.

Quote:20.5.1 Eligibility for Reclassification.
20.5.1.1 Division II Member. A member of Division II may petition to change its membership to Division I subject to the following prerequisites: (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 4/28/21 effective 6/1/21)
( a ) The institution shall have been an active Division II member for the preceding five years;
( b ) The institution shall be in compliance with all Division I minimum sports sponsorship and financial aid membership requirements; and
( c ) The institution shall have received a bona fide offer of membership from an active Division I multisport conference.

I'm not entirely certain that's true - a few of the ASUN schools that came up from D2 had to add sports to meet D1 requirements that they didn't have when they were D2. FGCU was definitely below 14 prior to 2007, I think Kennesaw State was as well pre-2005. Recently I could have sworn North Alabama added a sport just to meet either the 14 total or 7 women minimum.

(01-16-2022 10:00 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  I'm not entirely certain that's true - a few of the ASUN schools that came up from D2 had to add sports to meet D1 requirements that they didn't have when they were D2. FGCU was definitely below 14 prior to 2007, I think Kennesaw State was as well pre-2005. Recently I could have sworn North Alabama added a sport just to meet either the 14 total or 7 women minimum.

I did say "since the first revision of this rule" which was 1/15/11 but I was also wrong when I said "already competing".

North Alabama did have 14 (6m/8w) sports when they applied to D1 and the Atlantic Sun. They just replaced women's indoor track & field and women's outdoor track & field with women's golf and beach volleyball in Summer 2018. UNA had met the D1 sports sponsorship rule since 2013 when the 2 track teams began.

I looked up the history at FGCU. They hired their first coaches in men's soccer, women's soccer, and women's swimming & diving in June 2006 and all 3 sports began in the 2007-08 season. The addition of these sports brought them up to D1 minimums. I don't know when FGCU accepted the Atlantic Sun invitation but based on the wording of the Blankenship (women's soccer) hiring announcement they already knew they were going. And just because the Atlantic Sun had accepted FGCU does not mean Division I had. Obviously at some time, the hiring of the coaches and the rosters developing for the new sports satisfied the D1 Membership Committee and FGCU was approved to move. This is the same situation currently in D2. South Carolina-Beaufort has been accepted by the Peach Belt to begin PBC play in 2022-23 but USCB is not compliant on the 2 men's team sport rule (they don't have men's or women's basketball). USCB must have basketball coaches hired and inaugural players signed by the July D2 Membership Committee meeting or they will have to wait until 2023.

(01-15-2022 02:55 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 02:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  D1 is too small in certain parts of the country that needs more members.

Well guess what David, the same can be said about D3 and D2.

NAIA will be pillaged next.

(01-15-2022 07:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If this CAA expansion goes down, the AEast and MAAC will likely want to grow with both being at 8 and 9 respectively. Neither would have to, but if I was the NEC I would be nervous.

The NEC and Big South may end up with the non Howard MEAC schools put of necessity

The NEC doesn't have to go after any MEAC schools. West Chester and IUP are available from D2, IMO, not to mention New Haven as well.

(01-17-2022 11:02 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 07:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If this CAA expansion goes down, the AEast and MAAC will likely want to grow with both being at 8 and 9 respectively. Neither would have to, but if I was the NEC I would be nervous.

The NEC and Big South may end up with the non Howard MEAC schools put of necessity

The NEC doesn't have to go after any MEAC schools. West Chester and IUP are available from D2, IMO, not to mention New Haven as well.

Bentley and New Haven are ready now. Are the other 2 ready? I remember IUP was rumored to D-I maybe 14 or 15 years ago.

(01-17-2022 11:33 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:02 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 07:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If this CAA expansion goes down, the AEast and MAAC will likely want to grow with both being at 8 and 9 respectively. Neither would have to, but if I was the NEC I would be nervous.

The NEC and Big South may end up with the non Howard MEAC schools put of necessity

The NEC doesn't have to go after any MEAC schools. West Chester and IUP are available from D2, IMO, not to mention New Haven as well.

Bentley and New Haven are ready now. Are the other 2 ready? I remember IUP was rumored to D-I maybe 14 or 15 years ago.

With what's been going on with PASSHE in the last two years there would be a riot if IUP and West Chester were allowed to spend more money to move to D1.

(01-16-2022 06:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 06:17 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:48 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 03:29 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  who are the 2? CS LA? and CPP?

CSU-Dominguez Hills might be one. They went into a partnership with a pro-soccer team that built a great sports facilities plus close to a 30,000 seat stadium for pro-soccer that was a temp home for LA Raiders on their campus.

It was the Chargers, in Carson CA. I go to Carson a couple times a yr., Torrance is close but CSUDH doesn't play football so why does it matter.

California State-Dominguez Hills is at the D2 minimum of 4m/6w sports. David, however fast you can type 'gotoros.com' is all the time you needed to know that.

California State Poly-Pomona has 5m/6w sports and they were the school that added women's indoor track for the 2019-20 season which gave them 1 sport above the D2 minimum.

California State-Los Angeles has 5m/9w sports putting them 1 men's sport short for D1. CSULA is 1 of 7 schools that have enough total sports but have only 5 for men.

The two that make the cut are California State-East Bay with 6m/9w and California State-Stanislaus with 6m/8w.

I would never expect Turlock to be the home of a D-I school.

If San Luis Obispo can be one, then surely Turlock can be also.

(01-18-2022 12:40 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 06:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 06:17 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:48 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 04:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  CSU-Dominguez Hills might be one. They went into a partnership with a pro-soccer team that built a great sports facilities plus close to a 30,000 seat stadium for pro-soccer that was a temp home for LA Raiders on their campus.

It was the Chargers, in Carson CA. I go to Carson a couple times a yr., Torrance is close but CSUDH doesn't play football so why does it matter.

California State-Dominguez Hills is at the D2 minimum of 4m/6w sports. David, however fast you can type 'gotoros.com' is all the time you needed to know that.

California State Poly-Pomona has 5m/6w sports and they were the school that added women's indoor track for the 2019-20 season which gave them 1 sport above the D2 minimum.

California State-Los Angeles has 5m/9w sports putting them 1 men's sport short for D1. CSULA is 1 of 7 schools that have enough total sports but have only 5 for men.

The two that make the cut are California State-East Bay with 6m/9w and California State-Stanislaus with 6m/8w.

I would never expect Turlock to be the home of a D-I school.

If San Luis Obispo can be one, then surely Turlock can be also.

I know they can but they just don't seem D-I to me. San Luis is right near Pismo Beach, where everyone from the valley goes. My bff from high school went to CP I liked that campus. Turlock is just north valley like UOP in Stockton. It has all the appeal of UC Davis and UOP.

My wife chose UCSC over UCSB and UCD because it had the prettiest campus. I woulda went w/ the D-I school. UCD was D-II when we were in college. Plus she was the student trainer for basketball/rugby.

She did pick the school w/ the coolest mascot thought.

(01-18-2022 12:14 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:33 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:02 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 07:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If this CAA expansion goes down, the AEast and MAAC will likely want to grow with both being at 8 and 9 respectively. Neither would have to, but if I was the NEC I would be nervous.

The NEC and Big South may end up with the non Howard MEAC schools put of necessity

The NEC doesn't have to go after any MEAC schools. West Chester and IUP are available from D2, IMO, not to mention New Haven as well.

Bentley and New Haven are ready now. Are the other 2 ready? I remember IUP was rumored to D-I maybe 14 or 15 years ago.

With what's been going on with PASSHE in the last two years there would be a riot if IUP and West Chester were allowed to spend more money to move to D1.

I think IUP missed the boat. They built a nice basketball arena ~10 years back, and maybe could've made a move then, but you're right that the system does not have the money at the moment, and it would be a bad look for them to move. They do fine in attendance for a D2 school, but I think there's some general animosity among alumni for how much money they spent on it (54 million back in 2008).

(01-18-2022 09:30 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 12:14 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:33 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:02 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 07:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If this CAA expansion goes down, the AEast and MAAC will likely want to grow with both being at 8 and 9 respectively. Neither would have to, but if I was the NEC I would be nervous.

The NEC and Big South may end up with the non Howard MEAC schools put of necessity

The NEC doesn't have to go after any MEAC schools. West Chester and IUP are available from D2, IMO, not to mention New Haven as well.

Bentley and New Haven are ready now. Are the other 2 ready? I remember IUP was rumored to D-I maybe 14 or 15 years ago.

With what's been going on with PASSHE in the last two years there would be a riot if IUP and West Chester were allowed to spend more money to move to D1.

I think IUP missed the boat. They built a nice basketball arena ~10 years back, and maybe could've made a move then, but you're right that the system does not have the money at the moment, and it would be a bad look for them to move. They do fine in attendance for a D2 school, but I think there's some general animosity among alumni for how much money they spent on it (54 million back in 2008).

It takes donations to build and move. West Chester have certain goals that they want to break away from the other PASSHE schools. They want to be the next Temple, Pittsburgh and Penn State. They could be the test case to see if they could get more money, and expand on their academics.