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RE: G.H. players COVID+, "all have symptoms," yet they will play on Wednesd...
(01-16-2022 08:08 PM)GoShox7 Wrote:  
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(01-13-2022 09:24 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  Omicron basically sounds like a cold in the vast majority of cases. We don't quarantine players or cancel games if they catch a cold. Time to let everyone across the country make their own health decisions. We have vaccines, monoclonal antibodies, medicines, and a lot of people now have immunity. Enough is enough.

Tell that to the families of the 2,000 Americans that are dying daily in US in past few days.

Those dying aren't healthy 20 year olds, rather 90% are health-impared 75 year olds+ with 2 or more comorbidities. The same ones you used to take no note of when they were dying of pneumonia or the flu.

A bit ill informed. I have not peronally known anyone that died of covid until this last month. Now I know 7. Five of them in their 40s and 2 in their 50s. It is not 70+ year olds dying from this.

I have also personally known several people who have died from Covid. Only one was 70+.
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(01-18-2022 12:42 AM)shocker3 Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 08:08 PM)GoShox7 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 11:36 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:42 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:24 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  Omicron basically sounds like a cold in the vast majority of cases. We don't quarantine players or cancel games if they catch a cold. Time to let everyone across the country make their own health decisions. We have vaccines, monoclonal antibodies, medicines, and a lot of people now have immunity. Enough is enough.

Tell that to the families of the 2,000 Americans that are dying daily in US in past few days.

Those dying aren't healthy 20 year olds, rather 90% are health-impared 75 year olds+ with 2 or more comorbidities. The same ones you used to take no note of when they were dying of pneumonia or the flu.

A bit ill informed. I have not peronally known anyone that died of covid until this last month. Now I know 7. Five of them in their 40s and 2 in their 50s. It is not 70+ year olds dying from this.

I have also personally known several people who have died from Covid. Only one was 70+.

Not ill informed. Those under 50 yrs old, according to CDC, have a 99.98% probability of surviving a Covid infection. And that was prior to factoring in omicron which will serve to skew survival rates higher because it has 2x-6x milder outcomes than the combined previous variants.

0 - 19 years, 99.997%

20 - 49 years, 99.98%

50 - 69 years, 99.5%

70+ years, 94.6%

Quoting anecdotal experiences that may be true don't change the stats.
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RE: G.H. players COVID+, "all have symptoms," yet they will play on Wednesday ! (?)
Of that 0.02% under 50, how many are dragging around a bunch of comorbidities like obesity, diabetes, heard disease, etc.

Dying from Covid when under 50 and generally healthy is like winning a reverse lottery.
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(01-17-2022 01:37 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 04:13 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 03:16 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 11:38 AM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  
(01-15-2022 02:01 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  Actually it has been a pandemic of the unchecked morons who refuse to get vaccinated who have suffered most. Public health is about protecting the masses. You should study it some time. No one in public health assumes the wise choices by a significant number of actors. It's why we have restaurant inspections, as an example. All restaurants are told what practices to follow for a reason.


Lies.

Its a well accepted fact that the vaccine isn't stopping the spread of covid, no matter the variant.

Well, you seem to be one of the few that thinks you're safe from catching it because you're quadruple vaxxed.

Facts. The vaccinations are not preventing Covid, they are greatly reducing hospitalizations and deaths. There is too little data on Omicron variant about the level of effectiveness vaccines have vs. the unvaccinated due to the short time it have become prevalent. Public health measures are about greatly reducing incidents over large population segments. Those who ignore the measures (where the best available science is applied) increase the probability of the length and breadth of the viral spread. The measures are not about one person, they are about increasing the odds of managing disease to offer the best possible protection for the population at large. There is no lie or conspiracy in public health science. However, the Dunning - Kroger effect is as infectious as the disease.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between the words "epidemic/pandemic" and "disease".

The vaccine does appear to ease the symptoms of the covid disease. But the reason this disease is a pandemic is because of how contagious it is, and the vaccine clearly doesn't do anything to prevent that, so all the things you mention about reducing the spread of the virus, they are completely UNAFFECTED by this vaccine. Even if you're vaccinated, you can catch it and spread it, and that's why this disease isn't going away, no matter how many booster shots you got.

The LIE you're spreading is that it is only "unvaccinated morons" spreading this disease, when its well documented its also being spread just as much by vaccinated morons as well.

The unvaccinated are the ones overwhelming the healthcare system. That is not a lie. That is fact. True, the virus spreads regardless of the vaccine, but the point is to put the breaks on the worst possible outcomes. That is the public health emergency. I'd like to be able to get in the ER if I have an asthma attack, as would you.


Oh good heavens. It appears you haven't dug into what constitutes a hospital "covid admission", have you? These numbers are so freaking over-inflated to justify this unconstitutional mandate garbage. The numbers you spout are garbage and are contested by doctors that aren't willing to play "the game". I know you don't listen to the contradicting science that refutes your ideology, so I'm not going to waste a lot of time arguing about it. But just know, you're spouting nothing but propaganda, but you have yourself convinced it's all unvaccinated morons killing everyone.
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It’s a good thing George Costanza wasn’t competing against a covid 19 survivor for an apartment to live in.
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RE: G.H. players COVID+, "all have symptoms," yet they will play on Wednesd...
(01-17-2022 01:37 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 04:13 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 03:16 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 11:38 AM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  
(01-15-2022 02:01 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  Actually it has been a pandemic of the unchecked morons who refuse to get vaccinated who have suffered most. Public health is about protecting the masses. You should study it some time. No one in public health assumes the wise choices by a significant number of actors. It's why we have restaurant inspections, as an example. All restaurants are told what practices to follow for a reason.


Lies.

Its a well accepted fact that the vaccine isn't stopping the spread of covid, no matter the variant.

Well, you seem to be one of the few that thinks you're safe from catching it because you're quadruple vaxxed.

Facts. The vaccinations are not preventing Covid, they are greatly reducing hospitalizations and deaths. There is too little data on Omicron variant about the level of effectiveness vaccines have vs. the unvaccinated due to the short time it have become prevalent. Public health measures are about greatly reducing incidents over large population segments. Those who ignore the measures (where the best available science is applied) increase the probability of the length and breadth of the viral spread. The measures are not about one person, they are about increasing the odds of managing disease to offer the best possible protection for the population at large. There is no lie or conspiracy in public health science. However, the Dunning - Kroger effect is as infectious as the disease.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between the words "epidemic/pandemic" and "disease".

The vaccine does appear to ease the symptoms of the covid disease. But the reason this disease is a pandemic is because of how contagious it is, and the vaccine clearly doesn't do anything to prevent that, so all the things you mention about reducing the spread of the virus, they are completely UNAFFECTED by this vaccine. Even if you're vaccinated, you can catch it and spread it, and that's why this disease isn't going away, no matter how many booster shots you got.

The LIE you're spreading is that it is only "unvaccinated morons" spreading this disease, when its well documented its also being spread just as much by vaccinated morons as well.

The unvaccinated are the ones overwhelming the healthcare system. That is not a lie. That is fact. True, the virus spreads regardless of the vaccine, but the point is to put the breaks on the worst possible outcomes. That is the public health emergency. I'd like to be able to get in the ER if I have an asthma attack, as would you.

During the summer of 2020, I called a hospital in the Orlando area and asked a nurse on duty if they were being overwhelmed by COVID patients. The first words out of her mouth were "Well, we're busy!" She didn't have any numbers she could give me, but if she had the time to talk to some anonymous person like myself, I think it's fair to say that they probably weren't exploding with an overflow of patients at the time.

I realize that the situation with COVID varies in different areas of the country. Some places have been hit harder than others, obviously. However, to say that the ENTIRE healthcare system all over the country is being overwhelmed by unvaccinated people is something I would need to see some numbers for me to believe, including the numbers of beds at the allegedly overwhelmed hospitals taken up by COVID patients.
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Omicron presents like a cold, nothing more - & announced today by the CDC represents 99.5% of all covid cases. The vaccines currently available provide virtually no protect against infection - there is no data to support the current vaccines as a protection against omicron. And the variant, itself, because it presents as a mild upper respiratory infection, is the reason it is not leading to serious illness & death among the healthy NOT the vaccines. Data from South Africa & Europe already confirm it. There is no need to speculate further. The only reason we are seeing any increases in hospitalizations is because the US leads the world in the comorbidities that are most vulnerable to Covid - diabetes & morbid obesity. And BTW, South Africa is a mostly "unvaccinated" country.
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(01-18-2022 08:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Omicron presents like a cold, nothing more - & announced today by the CDC represents 99.5% of all covid cases. The vaccines currently available provide virtually no protect against infection - there is no data to support the current vaccines as a protection against omicron. And the variant, itself, because it presents as a mild upper respiratory infection, is the reason it is not leading to serious illness & death among the healthy NOT the vaccines. Data from South Africa & Europe already confirm it. There is no need to speculate further. The only reason we are seeing any increases in hospitalizations is because the US leads the world in the comorbidities that are most vulnerable to Covid - diabetes & morbid obesity. And BTW, South Africa is a mostly "unvaccinated" country.

Correct! Speaking of South Africa, according to scientists there, the Omicron variant can strengthen a person's immune system against the Delta variant. That's good news for everyone.

https://www.christianitydaily.com/articl...ariant.htm
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It is amazing to me the amount of people that still do not realize the vaccine does not minimize the spread, that omicron is significantly less dangerous than the common flue, and that the vast vast majority of cases are now caused by it.

Based on what we now know, there should not be any more restrictions. Rather, we should simply treat the symptoms and move on.

Further, when people say "you are not a doctor." I want to ask them, if we also do not have brains? Anyone with a computer, who is literate, can simply read the same data that doctors do at this point. It is flabbergasting.
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(01-19-2022 07:25 AM)fanhoodtheocho Wrote:  It is amazing to me the amount of people that still do not realize the vaccine does not minimize the spread, that omicron is significantly less dangerous than the common flue, and that the vast vast majority of cases are now caused by it.

Based on what we now know, there should not be any more restrictions. Rather, we should simply treat the symptoms and move on.

Further, when people say "you are not a doctor." I want to ask them, if we also do not have brains? Anyone with a computer, who is literate, can simply read the same data that doctors do at this point. It is flabbergasting.

Unfortunately many doctors, hospital & gov agencies/ authorities do not read the data & simply continue to follow outdated protocols established before effective therapeutics protocols emerged. That is certainly the case with omicron that is being confronted by most as if it is an earlier, more dangerous variant. And all of this is heavily influenced by the vaccine bias that still wants to contend that vaccines are the only effective solution, when in fact it is natural immunity gained from omicron that will end the pandemic & reduce covid to other coronavirus status like the common cold.
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I'm just tired of a wimpy a$$ society that's afraid of their own shadow and thinks everybody else has to be too.

I don't want to get omicron any more than I want to get the sh!ts... but I don't let the fear of either stop me from doing what I want.
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(01-19-2022 08:58 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I'm just tired of a wimpy a$$ society that's afraid of their own shadow and thinks everybody else has to be too.

I don't want to get omicron any more than I want to get the sh!ts... but I don't let the fear of either stop me from doing what I want.


You’re a better man than me.

I always wear a mask indoors, and I quit dairy. So far so good in 2022, no omicron and no ’s.

Lucky for me, I guess, most of “doing what I want” involves being outdoors.
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TMI, but 23 minutes after my last post, and karma and some pretty good hot wings are literally kicking me in the a$$
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I wonder how many people who read this message board/this thread have had a really bad case of Covid, which really scared you or sent you to the hospital, or if you have lost someone close to you to the disease.

I think it's time for me to tell my story, to make it clear why I became concerned about athletes playing while still symptomatic (and thus still contagious) with Covid-19.

I have had the disease twice since Halloween, and both times, without much warning (perhaps a bit of sneezing and a runny nose for a day or two that we all have now and then at this time of year), suddenly, I had an extreme shortness of breath - - so bad that I couldn't breath at all for 20 or 30 seconds at a time.

Imagine that - - you try to breathe, and nothing happens! You know that if you stop breathing, you're going to pass out in a minute or two, and yet you can't get any air moving in or out.

All I could think of to do was to pucker my lips and try to make a super-tiny hole in my mouth and try to draw air in with all my might. That helped a little at first, but then it stopped working - - what to do?

So I grabbed a piece of fine mesh cloth, put it over my mouth, and tried it again, and that got an extremely thin stream of air going in and out, but it was so thin that I realized that I wouldn't be able to remain conscious with such little oxygen.

The amount of air going into and out of my lungs was so small that it felt like it wasn't much wider than the kind of thread that is used to sew clothing. Not even 1 millimeter in diameter.

So at this point, I'm really starting to worry. Couldn't use the phone to call 911, because I couldn't breathe. The only thing that might help was cough syrup.

So I ran all around, looking desperately for some Robitussin, and luckily found half a bottle of it, and somehow, the damned stuff was viscous enough that it flowed right through, and I was able to gasp for air, coughing like h#ll.

At that point, I was exhausted and almost passed out, but I kept myself awake long enough to take 2 or 3 more swigs from the bottle to make sure I got enough in my system. Then I did pass out.

After that I kept waking up at least 5 or 6 times because I couldn't breathe, but I had the bottle right there, and every time it happened, I took a swig and passed out again.

I slept and slept, but finally woke up, and I had the same problem, but kept sipping the rest of the Robitussin and rested long enough to build up the energy to go buy some more from the pharmacy. Thank goodness, they had enough in stock. I bought a few bottles, and for the next 36 hours, all I could do was binge-watch videos with the Robutussin and boxes of kleenex and pseudo-sudafed tablets in front of me to kill the nasal congestion.

It was scary then, too, because every time I would sneeze or start coughing, I couldn't stop coughing - - I was coughing so quickly that I couldn't catch my breath. The only solution was - more Robitussin, every time. That's what saved me.

But two days of that routine wasn't sufficient. I had to go back again and buy 4 more bottles of Robitussin, and for two more days, all I could do was sleep, watch videos, medicate, sleep, repeat non-stop.

Slowly, the chest congestion started loosening up a tiny little bit at a time. You're afraid at first that if you cough, you might go into another coughing jag, and yet if you don't start to cough, you're not going to be able to clear the phlegm at all.

Eventually, after 3 days, I was able to clear my lungs, just a tiny bit at first, but then a little more. Gradually, I could clear just a little more, but my lungs were still full of phlegm or fluid.

This has actually happened to me twice - - the first time back in November, and as I write this, I am just getting over the second bout, which has been a little more severe than the first one.

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I have been extremely careful about wearing a mask everywhere I've gone and have strictly limited my activities, doing my shopping late in the evening to minimize being around others. I was vaccinated but developed Covid anyway - so my second bout was definitely a "breakthrough" case.

As I write this, I'm still having shortness of breath with congestion that's making me cough, and have to dose myself with small amounts of Robitussin about once every hour.

After almost four days since I suddenly couldn't breathe, I'm still unsteady on my feet and "woozy/dizzy," and I can't take a deep breath yet, but I can take about half of a deep breath, maybe 60%, so the critical part seems to be over.

Not to worry, though. I've been getting stronger and stronger and my appetite came back yesterday. Definitely on the mend.

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I wrote this because some of you may not know what it's like to have a fairly severe bout of Covid, and thought that it might be helpful to somebody to hear about how I was able to deal with it successfully in a real crisis situation in which I had to save myself.

My best advice, based on my experience is that everyone should have a bottle of Robitussin (severe cough) cough syrup around, because without that, I honestly think I might have died from Covid 3-4 days ago.

You yourself might need not need this kind of advice, but you never know, and maybe it could help someone you know to survive a similar experience, so pass it on. Needless to say, I will always have at least one bottle of Robitussin handy from now on!

By the way, the first time I had a bout of Covid, it was exactly the same. It hit me without warning. The only thing I remember was that I was sneezing enough for a day or two that I took some vitamin C...and then WHAM!

No sore throat, no fever, nothing, just a few occasional sneezes.

I never went to the hospital, because I was so tired. The first 24 hours, I slept practically non-stop, waking up only to sip some cough syrup. After that, I felt a little stronger, and knew in my gut (intuition) that the worst was past - - which was true.

So I'm one of the unreported cases. No one knows I had Covid except the people who read this post. When you read the statistics, you might want to keep it in mind that there are probably thousands of other people like me who aren't reflected in the numbers, but who came damn close to passing out, unable to breathe; if I had, there's a good chance that I wouldn't have woken up.

I hope this will help somebody. 03-idea

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Omicron is not that mild: 50,000 to 300,000 more US deaths projected by March: COVID-19 updates

Jorge L. Ortiz, Ryan W. Miller, & Celina Tebor
USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/heal...556051001/

Omicron’s Effect Won’t Be as Mild as Hoped

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...as-hoped1/










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(01-19-2022 08:58 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I'm just tired of a wimpy a$$ society that's afraid of their own shadow and thinks everybody else has to be too.

I don't want to get omicron any more than I want to get the sh!ts... but I don't let the fear of either stop me from doing what I want.


You’re a better man than me.

I always wear a mask indoors, and I quit dairy. So far so good in 2022, no omicron and no ’s.

Lucky for me, I guess, most of “doing what I want” involves being outdoors.

Believe me, "the *****" are the least of your problems if you get hit hard with Covid. You'll survive those - they pass in 24 hours - but not being able to breathe for 5 minutes could easily kill you.

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