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AAC Covering Military Bowl Expenses
AAC Covering Military Bowl Expenses

Guessing they will be covering SMU's Fenway cost as well.

"East Carolina’s athletic department was set to take a substantial financial hit as a result of the canceled Military Bowl, but the American Athletic Conference has come to the Pirates’ aid.

Director of athletics Jon Gilbert revealed on Monday the AAC has come through with reimbursement money for the team’s canceled postseason game against Boston College. The Pirates spent three full days in Washington, D.C., feeding and chauffeuring the team around before a combination of COVID-19 cases, injured players and student-athletes entering the transfer portal forced BC to pull out from the game, which was scheduled for Dec. 27 in Annapolis, Md.

ECU was set to receive the first $250,000 in tickets sold revenue before the game was canceled and that money had to be refunded. Reports indicated East Carolina was losing anywhere from $300K-400K as a result of the cancellation. ECU athletics and the Pirate Club launched the Bill Clark Homes Military Bowl Fund - led by a $200,000 donation from Bill Clark Homes - to help make up the loss. Fans were also asked to donate their tickets purchased for the bowl game to the athletic department - if they so chose - to help make up the lost money. That money will now be fully refunded to fans, as the AAC has come through with the relief, according to Gilbert.

“The American Athletic Conference informed me late last week the conference would be covering our expenses leading up to the bowl game,” Gilbert wrote in his latest ‘From The Helm’ on ECUPirates.com. “We deeply appreciate the conference taking action to assist the league's affected schools.

“Our attention now has turned to the Bill Clark Military Bowl Fund. I want to give you a little background on how the fund originated. We received a phone call immediately following the news of the bowl cancellation from Lance Clark and other members of the Clark family. They wanted to assist with any bowl expenses incurred and to make sure our football team was honored appropriately.”

The money from the Clark Family will go to purchasing rings for the bowl game, and the rest will head to the upcoming athletics capital campaign. Bob and Penny Barnhill, who donated $100,000 to the Military Bowl Fund, also will leave their money for the ECU Athletics Excellence Fund, per Gilbert's letter. Pirate Club donor Phil Houston also gave $50,000 that will be moved to the Excellence Fund."
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Glad ECu's getting their expenses trued up, but first a virtual bowl from a few years ago and now rings for a bowl that was not played!!!.

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This is the right thing for the AAC to do, and for Memphis and SMU as well.
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Nice. Rings will surely help them remember that game for the rest of their lives.
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(01-10-2022 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This is the right thing for the AAC to do, and for Memphis and SMU as well.

In lieu of cash, Memphis opted to take the trophy ;-)
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(01-10-2022 07:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Nice. Rings will surely help them remember that game for the rest of their lives.


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Cool.

First off - cool that the conference is covering expenses for the cancelled bowl. I had assumed so, but good to see this confirmation.

Second - cool to hear about the initial effort by key boosters to cover the costs. Which then (generally) translated to donations after the confirmation of AAC covering expenses came through. (When the pandemic cancelled attendance at 2020 season Navy football games, the NAAA went out with the offer of refunds...unless of course you want to be "All in" and donate that...so now, somewhere in the Brigade of Midshipmen bleacher seating, one bench has a little engraved plaque indicating that I was All-In for 2020.)

Third - this is a cool piece of reporting because it sheds a little more light on how the conference handles bowl money. Specifically, I got all excited at reading "ECU was set to receive the first $250,000 in tickets sold revenue." So now I'm going to nerd out a little....
The conference gets the bowl payout for all the bowls, but covers expenses for bowl participants on a sliding scale, THEN pays out profit to ALL the conference members. However, a big chunk of "payout" comes in the form of ticket allotments.
What's that sliding scale? Expenses vary, related to the bowl payout, like the Military Bowl is at the top of our list, so the calculation is for {numbers to follow are slhNavy91 guesses } 100 team members plus say a traveling party of 100. Tulsa, ECU, Navy would get the same expenses paid for hotels and per diem, but Navy would get reimbursed less for travel costs than ECU, which would get reimbursed less for travel costs than Tulsa to the Military Bowl. We love the Cure Bowl because we hate cancer, but because the payout is so much lower, maybe the conference pays for 85 scholarship players and a travel party of 75...Again equal lodging and per diem costs but Tulsa gets more for travel than Navy does and UCF would get far less to go crosstown.
But a big variable is that much of bowl "payout" is in ticket sales. I recall from 2017 the Military Bowl ticket allotment being 8,000 tickets for us and for UVA. I more dimly recall the tickets being about $75 each. Pirate fans, please update me if you were planning to go before the cancellation. So that means $600,000 of the "payout" to the conference is in the ticket allotments. Half or so is about normal, so no big whup.
So I'm really interested to read "FIRST $250,000 in tickets sold revenue" going to the school...this sounds like the AAC paying off ECU for selling the first half of the ticket allotment
That's counter-intuitive to what I would have thought. I would expect the conference to eat the first half of the ticket allotment but reward the school for selling above and beyond the first half. As a Navy fan (we sell tickets everywhere), or an ECU fan going five hours north to the Military Bowl, or a UCF fan selling for this year's Gasparilla Bowl vs UF I would want to be rewarded for selling more...as a Tulsa fan looking at the Myrtle Beach Bowl or an SMU fan not wanting to go to Boston, I could see wanting to be rewarded for selling half.
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The conference should cover the cancelled schools expenses out of the bowl pool money after getting stranded without playing in the bowls. The NCAA should help cover those expenses too out of the CFP millions / billions in profits too it makes off the TV revenue package. 04-jawdrop 05-stirthepot 04-cheers
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(01-10-2022 08:12 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  
(01-10-2022 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This is the right thing for the AAC to do, and for Memphis and SMU as well.

In lieu of cash, Memphis opted to take the trophy ;-)

you joke but it wouldnt surprise me
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I am kind of ambivalent about this. Sure, I think ECU, Memphis, and SMU were fiscally harmed by the cancellation of their bowl games. But is it the AAC's duty to make them whole?

I think it should be the Conferences of the CANCELLING teams that should be making these teams whole... It should be the freakin' Mountain West and ACC reimbursing ECU, Memphis, and SMU for their losses.

This is a double...maybe even a triple...whammy for the AAC.
1) We lost the chance to play the games...which then was used to degrade our Conference's competitive perception.
2) We then also lost the $$$ of the Bowl Payout.
3) We then have to dip into OUR common pool...minus the cancelled Bowl payouts...to make whole our members.

This really sucks. It was not OUR teams that cancelled here. These bowls were also NOT cancelled because of some circumstances "outside of anyone's control." (ie. weather, disaster, or governmental decree...) ***MAYBE*** the Hawai'i Bowl...MAYBE...could fall into this category, except the Hawai'ian authority never "locked down" Honolulu, prohibiting "mass gatherings." But really, most of the "circumstances" around the cancellations were more nebulous:
-The Hawai'i Bowl was cancelled because some sort of "lack of available players"...due, not only to "Covid"...but also to a mass exodus of UH players via the "Transfer Portal." So...we're victimized by a "Player Revolt" on UH's part.
-Boston College and Virginia never really did give a "solid" reason (or numbers) for their cancellations, relying instead upon a vague appeal to "Covid Protocols." They never did provide solid or exact numbers, just a kind of "Well, you know...Covid." But again, THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT. Different teams provided different strategies (I know UC did) to keep players "quarantined" to make sure we cleared Covid protocols.

As a matter of fact, it seemed like the ACC teams in particular, used the extra practice times and then cancelled the games just before they were to take place, therefore getting the benefits of the Bowl games with none of the jeopardy attached to getting blown out in the game. Pretty sweet, actually. But why is BC, UVA, or any of the other teams NOT suffering from their cancellation? Why are we getting nailed?

Oh well...
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That's a very decent thing for the conference to do. I'm sure they did the same for Memphis and SMU. Memphis probably had a ridiculous tab. Either way, hats off to the conference and it's appreciated.
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(01-11-2022 10:01 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is a double...maybe even a triple...whammy for the AAC.
1) We lost the chance to play the games...which then was used to degrade our Conference's competitive perception.
2) We then also lost the $$$ of the Bowl Payout.
3) We then have to dip into OUR common pool...minus the cancelled Bowl payouts...to make whole our members.

I agree 100%. The Military Bowl, I believe, sponsors/supports the USO, so there's the financial hit to that organization As well. I saw an estimate of $275,000 per AAC team that was lost due to the 3 cancelled bowls and their payouts. I agree that the ACC should be taken to task over the cancellations, especially if the rumours concerning BC's Covid numbers are accurate.

Boston College has pretty much noped out of their last 4 bowl games...if any bowl gives them the time of day next season it's at their own peril.
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(01-11-2022 04:32 PM)FastTheo Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 10:01 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is a double...maybe even a triple...whammy for the AAC.
1) We lost the chance to play the games...which then was used to degrade our Conference's competitive perception.
2) We then also lost the $$$ of the Bowl Payout.
3) We then have to dip into OUR common pool...minus the cancelled Bowl payouts...to make whole our members.

I agree 100%. The Military Bowl, I believe, sponsors/supports the USO, so there's the financial hit to that organization As well. I saw an estimate of $275,000 per AAC team that was lost due to the 3 cancelled bowls and their payouts. I agree that the ACC should be taken to task over the cancellations, especially if the rumours concerning BC's Covid numbers are accurate.

Boston College has pretty much noped out of their last 4 bowl games...if any bowl gives them the time of day next season it's at their own peril.

Teams who cancel should have to sit a year. BC cancelled because of players transferring or sitting, plain and simple. They knew what they had when they accepted the invitation. Why not just decline the post season?
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(01-11-2022 09:37 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 04:32 PM)FastTheo Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 10:01 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is a double...maybe even a triple...whammy for the AAC.
1) We lost the chance to play the games...which then was used to degrade our Conference's competitive perception.
2) We then also lost the $$$ of the Bowl Payout.
3) We then have to dip into OUR common pool...minus the cancelled Bowl payouts...to make whole our members.

I agree 100%. The Military Bowl, I believe, sponsors/supports the USO, so there's the financial hit to that organization As well. I saw an estimate of $275,000 per AAC team that was lost due to the 3 cancelled bowls and their payouts. I agree that the ACC should be taken to task over the cancellations, especially if the rumours concerning BC's Covid numbers are accurate.

Boston College has pretty much noped out of their last 4 bowl games...if any bowl gives them the time of day next season it's at their own peril.

Teams who cancel should have to sit a year. BC cancelled because of players transferring or sitting, plain and simple. They knew what they had when they accepted the invitation. Why not just decline the post season?

Though I follow your logic, no one is punished during the covid period hanging over all of us at this time. "ESPECIALLY A P-5 CONFERENCE MEMBER". 04-jawdrop 03-shhhh 05-nono 07-coffee3
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(01-11-2022 10:01 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I am kind of ambivalent about this. Sure, I think ECU, Memphis, and SMU were fiscally harmed by the cancellation of their bowl games. But is it the AAC's duty to make them whole?

I think it should be the Conferences of the CANCELLING teams that should be making these teams whole... It should be the freakin' Mountain West and ACC reimbursing ECU, Memphis, and SMU for their losses.

This is a double...maybe even a triple...whammy for the AAC.
1) We lost the chance to play the games...which then was used to degrade our Conference's competitive perception.
2) We then also lost the $$$ of the Bowl Payout.
3) We then have to dip into OUR common pool...minus the cancelled Bowl payouts...to make whole our members.

This really sucks. It was not OUR teams that cancelled here. These bowls were also NOT cancelled because of some circumstances "outside of anyone's control." (ie. weather, disaster, or governmental decree...) ***MAYBE*** the Hawai'i Bowl...MAYBE...could fall into this category, except the Hawai'ian authority never "locked down" Honolulu, prohibiting "mass gatherings." But really, most of the "circumstances" around the cancellations were more nebulous:
-The Hawai'i Bowl was cancelled because some sort of "lack of available players"...due, not only to "Covid"...but also to a mass exodus of UH players via the "Transfer Portal." So...we're victimized by a "Player Revolt" on UH's part.
-Boston College and Virginia never really did give a "solid" reason (or numbers) for their cancellations, relying instead upon a vague appeal to "Covid Protocols." They never did provide solid or exact numbers, just a kind of "Well, you know...Covid." But again, THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT. Different teams provided different strategies (I know UC did) to keep players "quarantined" to make sure we cleared Covid protocols.

As a matter of fact, it seemed like the ACC teams in particular, used the extra practice times and then cancelled the games just before they were to take place, therefore getting the benefits of the Bowl games with none of the jeopardy attached to getting blown out in the game. Pretty sweet, actually. But why is BC, UVA, or any of the other teams NOT suffering from their cancellation? Why are we getting nailed?

Oh well...

I definitely feel Hawaii should have to fork over some cash...

Since they essentially had 0 expenses.
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