(01-11-2022 09:41 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 05:28 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 09:23 PM)st932253 Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 03:03 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  To say Clemson and FSU aren't anchors is crazy. Big state schools with deep donor pockets and huge fanbases. It really doesn't matter how they perform on the field. ESPN will sell them as good regardless. No school in this conference nor the new B12 will catch them.

Absolutely. The same way they sell NC State, UNC,
Duke, Wake and Appalachian State first in North Carolina. Here’s hoping you don’t follow us again a year later. #seatstaken

What did that comment have to do with ECU? It's just reality. The ACC will still have more old money programs than the B12. That's all that matters in terms of the "Power" label.

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Lol he's just upset. Ucf will always be 4th in the pecking order of Florida schools. Ecu doesn't have that problem when we are good.

Well the first part is just false

(01-12-2022 12:04 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 10:38 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 09:51 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 07:54 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 11:22 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Of course not. That does not mean that their performance won't be considered when the new TV contract is being negotiated, though.

If the B12 had invited them and then they went out and crapped the bed you can bet it would have been.

As noted elsewhere, media partners don’t pay based on past performance, they pay based on viewership and overall viewer interest, which the incoming B12 schools severely lack compared to the outgoing schools.

And...the exact same has been proven to be fact for the AAC as well.

To me, the funny part of the OP is that they walked into the wrong troll job saloon. There is way more evidence that the Pac-12 and ACC are closer to G5/6 moderate-relevancy than the Big 12 is, even with OU and Texas leaving.

First sign you will get to prove you right or wrong will be th3 upcoming PAC and Big12 contracts.
But anyone thinking that the B12 without OU and UT is in better ground than the ACC or PAC is being naive.
The Alliance is between PAC, BigTen and ACC, notice who was left out?

I'm still good with doubling our money and watching the ensuing chaos from a seat above the fray, no matter if there are seats above us.

You're not in the seat yet, and you don't know for sure what that seat really looks like until after all the chaos.

Gonna be interesting.

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Can’t get here soon enough. Hell, even without the TV $$, just getting those teams on the schedule in football and MBB as opposed to what we currently have will be worth it from the perspective of donations, ad sales and not having most games on crappy ESPN+. This will be a financial boon any way you slice it.

(01-14-2022 08:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can’t get here soon enough. Hell, even without the TV $$, just getting those teams on the schedule in football and MBB as opposed to what we currently have will be worth it from the perspective of donations, ad sales and not having most games on crappy ESPN+. This will be a financial boon any way you slice it.

https://plus.espn.com/big-12

Quote:BIG 12 IS NOW ON ESPN+
Stream exclusive live football and basketball games this season, plus women’s soccer, volleyball, and more from Big 12 on ESPN+.

It's starting to get funny how much some of you sound like UConn fans circa 2019...

(01-14-2022 12:18 AM)smu89 Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 12:04 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 10:38 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 09:51 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 07:54 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  As noted elsewhere, media partners don’t pay based on past performance, they pay based on viewership and overall viewer interest, which the incoming B12 schools severely lack compared to the outgoing schools.

And...the exact same has been proven to be fact for the AAC as well.

To me, the funny part of the OP is that they walked into the wrong troll job saloon. There is way more evidence that the Pac-12 and ACC are closer to G5/6 moderate-relevancy than the Big 12 is, even with OU and Texas leaving.

First sign you will get to prove you right or wrong will be th3 upcoming PAC and Big12 contracts.
But anyone thinking that the B12 without OU and UT is in better ground than the ACC or PAC is being naive.
The Alliance is between PAC, BigTen and ACC, notice who was left out?

I'm still good with doubling our money and watching the ensuing chaos from a seat above the fray, no matter if there are seats above us.

You're not in the seat yet, and you don't know for sure what that seat really looks like until after all the chaos.

Gonna be interesting.

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It'll probably look a lot like the Big East when UC joined, which I'm more than fine with.

(01-14-2022 09:06 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 08:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can’t get here soon enough. Hell, even without the TV $$, just getting those teams on the schedule in football and MBB as opposed to what we currently have will be worth it from the perspective of donations, ad sales and not having most games on crappy ESPN+. This will be a financial boon any way you slice it.

https://plus.espn.com/big-12

Quote:BIG 12 IS NOW ON ESPN+
Stream exclusive live football and basketball games this season, plus women’s soccer, volleyball, and more from Big 12 on ESPN+.

It's starting to get funny how much some of you sound like UConn fans circa 2019...

You realize that the games that get sent there are the ones nobody cares about.

We just dealt with the high school production of ECU at UC. You think WVU at UC is going to get shoved off there? Oklahoma State? Kansas? Baylor? Houston, etc…? C’mon. It’s the school produced product that ESPN generally uses for free content that nobody outside of those alumni bases (or the advertisers) cares about.

(01-14-2022 09:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:06 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 08:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can’t get here soon enough. Hell, even without the TV $$, just getting those teams on the schedule in football and MBB as opposed to what we currently have will be worth it from the perspective of donations, ad sales and not having most games on crappy ESPN+. This will be a financial boon any way you slice it.

https://plus.espn.com/big-12

Quote:BIG 12 IS NOW ON ESPN+
Stream exclusive live football and basketball games this season, plus women’s soccer, volleyball, and more from Big 12 on ESPN+.

It's starting to get funny how much some of you sound like UConn fans circa 2019...

You realize that the games that get sent there are the ones nobody cares about.

We just dealt with the high school production of ECU at UC. You think WVU at UC is going to get shoved off there? Oklahoma State? Kansas? Baylor? Houston, etc…? C’mon. It’s the school produced product that ESPN generally uses for free content that nobody outside of those alumni bases (or the advertisers) cares about.

Here is a link you can use to see what Big12 games are on ESPN+, you might be surprised at some that are there.

#1 Baylor at Oklahoma
#9 Kansas at Kansas State
Kansas St at #1 Baylor
#15 Iowa State at Ok State

So I wouldn’t just cancel that ESPN+ subscription. UC will go from being one of the big names in the AAC, to more towards the middle of Big12 basketball

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...conference

(01-14-2022 09:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:06 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 08:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can’t get here soon enough. Hell, even without the TV $$, just getting those teams on the schedule in football and MBB as opposed to what we currently have will be worth it from the perspective of donations, ad sales and not having most games on crappy ESPN+. This will be a financial boon any way you slice it.

https://plus.espn.com/big-12

Quote:BIG 12 IS NOW ON ESPN+
Stream exclusive live football and basketball games this season, plus women’s soccer, volleyball, and more from Big 12 on ESPN+.

It's starting to get funny how much some of you sound like UConn fans circa 2019...

You realize that the games that get sent there are the ones nobody cares about.

We just dealt with the high school production of ECU at UC. You think WVU at UC is going to get shoved off there? Oklahoma State? Kansas? Baylor? Houston, etc…? C’mon. It’s the school produced product that ESPN generally uses for free content that nobody outside of those alumni bases (or the advertisers) cares about.

Wait -

Are you complaining about the production of the ECU at UC game?
Do you know who is 100% accountable for that production and its quality?
It isn't the AAC, and it isn't ESPN, and it isn't ECU...

Yeah it's really not the life raft everyone thinks it is. You made the playoff in the AAC. Houston made the final four. The way we try to dismiss the PAC and ACC for bring over rated garbage is what the rest of the world will do to the new B12, the G5, pretty much anyone who isn't a blue blood. There's no bonus points for having an "improved" schedule unfortunately.

If the playoff ever expands, maybe it will be good everyone on the outside looking in.

(01-14-2022 01:11 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Yeah it's really not the life raft everyone thinks it is. You made the playoff in the AAC. Houston made the final four. The way we try to dismiss the PAC and ACC for bring over rated garbage is what the rest of the world will do to the new B12, the G5, pretty much anyone who isn't a blue blood. There's no bonus points for having an "improved" schedule unfortunately.

If the playoff ever expands, maybe it will be good everyone on the outside looking in.

It has autonomy, an already much larger tv contract and an NY6 bowl tie in. No one here is claiming it's the SEC but yes it's a much better situation.

(01-14-2022 01:16 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:11 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Yeah it's really not the life raft everyone thinks it is. You made the playoff in the AAC. Houston made the final four. The way we try to dismiss the PAC and ACC for bring over rated garbage is what the rest of the world will do to the new B12, the G5, pretty much anyone who isn't a blue blood. There's no bonus points for having an "improved" schedule unfortunately.

If the playoff ever expands, maybe it will be good everyone on the outside looking in.

It has autonomy, an already much larger tv contract and an NY6 bowl tie in. No one here is claiming it's the SEC but yes it's a much better situation.

I agree it is a better situation. Those that want to make it sound like is not are wrong and those that want to make it out to be like is better than the other P4 are also wrong.
TV contracts and Bowl tie ins and CFP access are all going to be renew in 2025-26 we will have to wait and see where it all stacks up, but I think most clear minded expect it to be as I said in first paragraph

(01-14-2022 11:21 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:06 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 08:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can’t get here soon enough. Hell, even without the TV $$, just getting those teams on the schedule in football and MBB as opposed to what we currently have will be worth it from the perspective of donations, ad sales and not having most games on crappy ESPN+. This will be a financial boon any way you slice it.

https://plus.espn.com/big-12

Quote:BIG 12 IS NOW ON ESPN+
Stream exclusive live football and basketball games this season, plus women’s soccer, volleyball, and more from Big 12 on ESPN+.

It's starting to get funny how much some of you sound like UConn fans circa 2019...

You realize that the games that get sent there are the ones nobody cares about.

We just dealt with the high school production of ECU at UC. You think WVU at UC is going to get shoved off there? Oklahoma State? Kansas? Baylor? Houston, etc…? C’mon. It’s the school produced product that ESPN generally uses for free content that nobody outside of those alumni bases (or the advertisers) cares about.

Wait -

Are you complaining about the production of the ECU at UC game?
Do you know who is 100% accountable for that production and its quality?
It isn't the AAC, and it isn't ESPN, and it isn't ECU...

Every school’s ESPN+ production blows goats.

The on air talent are usually people who live in town and think being a color commentator would be kewl. The production quality is normally high school audio visual club level. It’s comparatively awful. Makes every game feel like the Atlantic Sun game of the week.

(01-14-2022 01:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 11:21 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:06 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 08:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can’t get here soon enough. Hell, even without the TV $$, just getting those teams on the schedule in football and MBB as opposed to what we currently have will be worth it from the perspective of donations, ad sales and not having most games on crappy ESPN+. This will be a financial boon any way you slice it.

https://plus.espn.com/big-12

Quote:BIG 12 IS NOW ON ESPN+
Stream exclusive live football and basketball games this season, plus women’s soccer, volleyball, and more from Big 12 on ESPN+.

It's starting to get funny how much some of you sound like UConn fans circa 2019...

You realize that the games that get sent there are the ones nobody cares about.

We just dealt with the high school production of ECU at UC. You think WVU at UC is going to get shoved off there? Oklahoma State? Kansas? Baylor? Houston, etc…? C’mon. It’s the school produced product that ESPN generally uses for free content that nobody outside of those alumni bases (or the advertisers) cares about.

Wait -

Are you complaining about the production of the ECU at UC game?
Do you know who is 100% accountable for that production and its quality?
It isn't the AAC, and it isn't ESPN, and it isn't ECU...

Every school’s ESPN+ production blows goats.

The on air talent are usually people who live in town and think being a color commentator would be kewl. The production quality is normally high school audio visual club level. It’s comparatively awful. Makes every game feel like the Atlantic Sun game of the week.

Would that change on the Big12 ESPN+ gamecasts?

(01-14-2022 02:15 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 11:21 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:06 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  https://plus.espn.com/big-12


It's starting to get funny how much some of you sound like UConn fans circa 2019...

You realize that the games that get sent there are the ones nobody cares about.

We just dealt with the high school production of ECU at UC. You think WVU at UC is going to get shoved off there? Oklahoma State? Kansas? Baylor? Houston, etc…? C’mon. It’s the school produced product that ESPN generally uses for free content that nobody outside of those alumni bases (or the advertisers) cares about.

Wait -

Are you complaining about the production of the ECU at UC game?
Do you know who is 100% accountable for that production and its quality?
It isn't the AAC, and it isn't ESPN, and it isn't ECU...

Every school’s ESPN+ production blows goats.

The on air talent are usually people who live in town and think being a color commentator would be kewl. The production quality is normally high school audio visual club level. It’s comparatively awful. Makes every game feel like the Atlantic Sun game of the week.

Would that change on the Big12 ESPN+ gamecasts?

I think Rath is referring to the frequency more than the potential...obviously there will still be games on ESPN+, there just won't be a vast majority. Even if there is the same amount, the three teams leaving will be paid ~$10M more for their "trouble"

Big XII means more $ and better competition anyway you cut it. The donations have already gone up a lot already. I've also noticed more sponsorships although that may have to just do with the great football season. Both our football and basketball coach have noted the importance of the invite. General media perceives the Big XII as big time. It should be a more solid football conference than the previous Big East and nothing will ever complete with Big East Basketball 2005-2011, but is the number 1 basketball conference with the additions and taking out Texas/Oklahoma currently which is big for UC bball recruiting (sure there will be years when they will not be number 1).

The American was and is a good conference with a great and probably better commissioner than the Big XII. I loved The American. With that said, every school in this conference besides maybe Navy would jump in a heart beat. And I'm not very excited by the schools joining the American outside UAB and maybe Charlotte here and there.

This isn't Uconn taking football independent and joining the 3-5 best basketball conference. This is a big jump for UC and IMO more solid than the former Big East. Cincinnati is never getting a Big Ten and definitely not an SEC invite ever unless there is absolute chaos type of thing so the Big XII made sense unless the ACC came calling. It is what it is, and no there are 5 conferences that are perceived by media as powers. I hate media as much as anyone but for whatever reason they almost always come into play with decision making.

Furthermore, would The American add BYU? Yes, and we tried many times. Why did they join the Big XII if it's just whatever. They've had a good amount of success recently being independent. Also, it's pretty clear who the top programs were in The American and I feel all got invited besides one or two.

(01-14-2022 02:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 02:15 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 11:21 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You realize that the games that get sent there are the ones nobody cares about.

We just dealt with the high school production of ECU at UC. You think WVU at UC is going to get shoved off there? Oklahoma State? Kansas? Baylor? Houston, etc…? C’mon. It’s the school produced product that ESPN generally uses for free content that nobody outside of those alumni bases (or the advertisers) cares about.

Wait -

Are you complaining about the production of the ECU at UC game?
Do you know who is 100% accountable for that production and its quality?
It isn't the AAC, and it isn't ESPN, and it isn't ECU...

Every school’s ESPN+ production blows goats.

The on air talent are usually people who live in town and think being a color commentator would be kewl. The production quality is normally high school audio visual club level. It’s comparatively awful. Makes every game feel like the Atlantic Sun game of the week.

Would that change on the Big12 ESPN+ gamecasts?

I think Rath is referring to the frequency more than the potential...obviously there will still be games on ESPN+, there just won't be a vast majority. Even if there is the same amount, the three teams leaving will be paid ~$10M more for their "trouble"

No one is debating that there is more money and that is a good move. My point was that his posting that UC games would no longer be on ESPN+ was incorrect. And my point also stands that UC basketball goes from being one of the top attractions in the AAC for tv to at best avg in the pack in the Big12.
Anyways, the facts are that you guys will be going soon and we all need to move on.

(01-14-2022 01:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 11:21 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:06 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 08:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can’t get here soon enough. Hell, even without the TV $$, just getting those teams on the schedule in football and MBB as opposed to what we currently have will be worth it from the perspective of donations, ad sales and not having most games on crappy ESPN+. This will be a financial boon any way you slice it.

https://plus.espn.com/big-12

Quote:BIG 12 IS NOW ON ESPN+
Stream exclusive live football and basketball games this season, plus women’s soccer, volleyball, and more from Big 12 on ESPN+.

It's starting to get funny how much some of you sound like UConn fans circa 2019...

You realize that the games that get sent there are the ones nobody cares about.

We just dealt with the high school production of ECU at UC. You think WVU at UC is going to get shoved off there? Oklahoma State? Kansas? Baylor? Houston, etc…? C’mon. It’s the school produced product that ESPN generally uses for free content that nobody outside of those alumni bases (or the advertisers) cares about.

Wait -

Are you complaining about the production of the ECU at UC game?
Do you know who is 100% accountable for that production and its quality?
It isn't the AAC, and it isn't ESPN, and it isn't ECU...

Every school’s ESPN+ production blows goats.

The on air talent are usually people who live in town and think being a color commentator would be kewl. The production quality is normally high school audio visual club level. It’s comparatively awful. Makes every game feel like the Atlantic Sun game of the week.

Obviously, you haven't watch East Carolina's production on ESPN+ at all. We had 24 baseball games on last season and numerous basketball games this year as well. Top quality and Patrick Johnson commentary is as good as any. Poor analogy.

The teams you mentioned comparing an ABC production to high school is pretty high schoolish on your part and not well thought out. No one, outside of the UC market, in the eastern time zone could care less to watch a match up of UC vs. Baylor, OSU, or Kansas. Don't believe me just ask WVU.