(01-18-2022 10:07 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:15 AM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:45 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  How do you put a dollar figure on feelings and spirit? I’d say the conference payout of the SBC is better than FCS, but the costs are more. Meanwhile, schools with football tend to have more active posters on message boards. Sometimes it isn’t a matter of making money, but offering amenities for students and ways to keep alums connected.

Not just that but being discussed by the media and the population in general.

I hear more about Southern Utah and Dixie St than Utah Valley. Guess which one doesn't have a football program.

Where do you hear more about SUU and DSU? You don’t hear a lot about UTA because their basketball program is mediocre and if they did start football, it will likely be mediocre too. Does anyone really think UTRGV is going to have a good football program? I don’t think they’re ever been to the NCAAs, but we’re going to believe the football program is going to be done differently?

In head-to-head, men’s basketball and volleyball are tied with Seattle, women’s basketball trails, baseball and softball have a winning record.

UTA finished ahead of the Redhawks in the standings in volleyball, men’s basketball, baseball and softball. Women’s basketball was in the last year of a declining coach and is now a year-in-year-out top 3 SBC school. In the Commissioners Cup, UTA was four spots better than Seattle, despite offering 14 of 19 sports. Seattle was 17 of 19.

Men’s basketball has won two conference championships in the last decade, is currently in first place, has advanced to the conference tournament championship three times (0-3), played in NIT twice (going 2-2) and the CIT twice (1-2).

In the same time frame, Seattle has zero conference championships, is currently tied for first with the two teams who usually finish ahead, played in 1 conference tournament final (0-1), no NIT appearance, 1 CIT (0-1), 3 CBI’s (3-3).

Seems like UTA is consistently performing better than Seattle. I’m not sure why you get the impression we’d be mediocre.

Never did I say that Seattle is the epitome of successful college athletics. If SU added football, I would expect them to be just as mediocre as the mens basketball program. The only people that care about volleyball and other non-basketball/football sports, are ones that know their “premier” program is crap.

Congrats on making the SBC tournament championship 3 times?? You must be very proud!! Surprised the Big 12 didn’t take UTA in their last round of expansion.

Well, when 12 teams compete for two spots (10 for the solo year in the WAC), the law of averages is less than two a decade. Nearly doubling that I’d say is pretty good.

Given our poor history prior to 1994 (the year students voted to pay a student athletics fee), and our less than stellar performance prior to 2012 (the year College Park Center opened and we stopped playing on a theater stage), it’s hard to gauge our true capabilities. However, given that we have four 20 win seasons in that decade since opening and we have performed the way we have, I don’t believe we are mediocre. The last three years have been, but we made a bone-head to decision to fire a successful coach and his his replacement finished three games under .500 in three season before taking a P5 assistant job. Our new coach was on the staff of those successful teams and is pointing our nose in the right direction in year one. We have the ability to compete year in and out for a conference championship.

As for the other sports, it’s is important, because a winning athletic department develops a culture and expectation of winning. UTA has come within a whiskers hair a couple of times of winning the Commish Cup equivalent in the SBC, despite consistently having less sports than everybody else. Plain and simple, we expect and can reasonably achieve conference championships year in and out.

That said, across the department, with Volleyball being the exception, we perform poorly in conference tournaments, so we don’t build the brand recognition we’ve come to expect in the regular season.

(01-18-2022 10:10 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:07 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:15 AM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:45 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  How do you put a dollar figure on feelings and spirit? I’d say the conference payout of the SBC is better than FCS, but the costs are more. Meanwhile, schools with football tend to have more active posters on message boards. Sometimes it isn’t a matter of making money, but offering amenities for students and ways to keep alums connected.

Not just that but being discussed by the media and the population in general.

I hear more about Southern Utah and Dixie St than Utah Valley. Guess which one doesn't have a football program.

Where do you hear more about SUU and DSU? You don’t hear a lot about UTA because their basketball program is mediocre and if they did start football, it will likely be mediocre too. Does anyone really think UTRGV is going to have a good football program? I don’t think they’re ever been to the NCAAs, but we’re going to believe the football program is going to be done differently?

In head-to-head, men’s basketball and volleyball are tied with Seattle, women’s basketball trails, baseball and softball have a winning record.

UTA finished ahead of the Redhawks in the standings in volleyball, men’s basketball, baseball and softball. Women’s basketball was in the last year of a declining coach and is now a year-in-year-out top 3 SBC school. In the Commissioners Cup, UTA was four spots better than Seattle, despite offering 14 of 19 sports. Seattle was 17 of 19.

Men’s basketball has won two conference championships in the last decade, is currently in first place, has advanced to the conference tournament championship three times (0-3), played in NIT twice (going 2-2) and the CIT twice (1-2).

In the same time frame, Seattle has zero conference championships, is currently tied for first with the two teams who usually finish ahead, played in 1 conference tournament final (0-1), no NIT appearance, 1 CIT (0-1), 3 CBI’s (3-3).

Seems like UTA is consistently performing better than Seattle. I’m not sure why you get the impression we’d be mediocre.

In Women's Tennis UTA would stomp a mud hole in Seattle unfortunately little to anyone would take notice.

(01-18-2022 10:07 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:15 AM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:45 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  How do you put a dollar figure on feelings and spirit? I’d say the conference payout of the SBC is better than FCS, but the costs are more. Meanwhile, schools with football tend to have more active posters on message boards. Sometimes it isn’t a matter of making money, but offering amenities for students and ways to keep alums connected.

Not just that but being discussed by the media and the population in general.

I hear more about Southern Utah and Dixie St than Utah Valley. Guess which one doesn't have a football program.

Where do you hear more about SUU and DSU? You don’t hear a lot about UTA because their basketball program is mediocre and if they did start football, it will likely be mediocre too. Does anyone really think UTRGV is going to have a good football program? I don’t think they’re ever been to the NCAAs, but we’re going to believe the football program is going to be done differently?

The Sports section of the papers. Local sports radio and tv. When I talk with UVU alumni and ask about sports they shrug their shoulders.

Being mentioned more doesn't automatically mean that the teams will be better. But the school is on more of the minds of the population.

(01-18-2022 11:27 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:10 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:07 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:15 AM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:45 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  How do you put a dollar figure on feelings and spirit? I’d say the conference payout of the SBC is better than FCS, but the costs are more. Meanwhile, schools with football tend to have more active posters on message boards. Sometimes it isn’t a matter of making money, but offering amenities for students and ways to keep alums connected.

Not just that but being discussed by the media and the population in general.

I hear more about Southern Utah and Dixie St than Utah Valley. Guess which one doesn't have a football program.

Where do you hear more about SUU and DSU? You don’t hear a lot about UTA because their basketball program is mediocre and if they did start football, it will likely be mediocre too. Does anyone really think UTRGV is going to have a good football program? I don’t think they’re ever been to the NCAAs, but we’re going to believe the football program is going to be done differently?

In head-to-head, men’s basketball and volleyball are tied with Seattle, women’s basketball trails, baseball and softball have a winning record.

UTA finished ahead of the Redhawks in the standings in volleyball, men’s basketball, baseball and softball. Women’s basketball was in the last year of a declining coach and is now a year-in-year-out top 3 SBC school. In the Commissioners Cup, UTA was four spots better than Seattle, despite offering 14 of 19 sports. Seattle was 17 of 19.

Men’s basketball has won two conference championships in the last decade, is currently in first place, has advanced to the conference tournament championship three times (0-3), played in NIT twice (going 2-2) and the CIT twice (1-2).

In the same time frame, Seattle has zero conference championships, is currently tied for first with the two teams who usually finish ahead, played in 1 conference tournament final (0-1), no NIT appearance, 1 CIT (0-1), 3 CBI’s (3-3).

Seems like UTA is consistently performing better than Seattle. I’m not sure why you get the impression we’d be mediocre.

In Women's Tennis UTA would stomp a mud hole in Seattle unfortunately little to anyone would take notice.

Oh man, womens tennis smack.

A UTA vs Seattle pillow fight. Wow...

(01-19-2022 08:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  A UTA vs Seattle pillow fight. Wow...

The pillows are bigger in Texas

(01-18-2022 11:42 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:07 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:15 AM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  

(01-16-2022 12:45 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  How do you put a dollar figure on feelings and spirit? I’d say the conference payout of the SBC is better than FCS, but the costs are more. Meanwhile, schools with football tend to have more active posters on message boards. Sometimes it isn’t a matter of making money, but offering amenities for students and ways to keep alums connected.

Not just that but being discussed by the media and the population in general.

I hear more about Southern Utah and Dixie St than Utah Valley. Guess which one doesn't have a football program.

Where do you hear more about SUU and DSU? You don’t hear a lot about UTA because their basketball program is mediocre and if they did start football, it will likely be mediocre too. Does anyone really think UTRGV is going to have a good football program? I don’t think they’re ever been to the NCAAs, but we’re going to believe the football program is going to be done differently?

The Sports section of the papers. Local sports radio and tv. When I talk with UVU alumni and ask about sports they shrug their shoulders.

Being mentioned more doesn't automatically mean that the teams will be better. But the school is on more of the minds of the population.

I bet if you ask the UVU alumni about BYU they would talk your ear off...

(01-19-2022 08:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  A UTA vs Seattle pillow fight. Wow...

Hardly. Just saying, that based on UTA’s performance in mens basketball, if they start football, it would be just as “mediocre”. As would Seattle’s would be too. They started bringing up womens tennis and volleyball. Nobody cares about those sports, but they brought them up to try and feel “superior” about their school.

I like UTA, but they shouldn’t start a football program. They should put all their efforts into mens basketball. They have a nice, new arena, and are lucky to get 1,000 people there. Supposedly with 40,000 students, that’s pathetic.

(01-19-2022 09:14 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  A UTA vs Seattle pillow fight. Wow...

Hardly. Just saying, that based on UTA’s performance in mens basketball, if they start football, it would be just as “mediocre”. As would Seattle’s would be too. They started bringing up womens tennis and volleyball. Nobody cares about those sports, but they brought them up to try and feel “superior” about their school.

I like UTA, but they shouldn’t start a football program. They should put all their efforts into mens basketball. They have a nice, new arena, and are lucky to get 1,000 people there. Supposedly with 40,000 students, that’s pathetic.

My thought about poor attendance- UTA is largely a commuter school with a substantial number of non traditional students who are focused on getting a degree while working. Athletics won’t appeal to this group, but to the much smaller cohort of undergrads who live on campus.

(01-19-2022 09:27 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:14 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  A UTA vs Seattle pillow fight. Wow...

Hardly. Just saying, that based on UTA’s performance in mens basketball, if they start football, it would be just as “mediocre”. As would Seattle’s would be too. They started bringing up womens tennis and volleyball. Nobody cares about those sports, but they brought them up to try and feel “superior” about their school.

I like UTA, but they shouldn’t start a football program. They should put all their efforts into mens basketball. They have a nice, new arena, and are lucky to get 1,000 people there. Supposedly with 40,000 students, that’s pathetic.

My thought about poor attendance- UTA is largely a commuter school with a substantial number of non traditional students who are focused on getting a degree while working. Athletics won’t appeal to this group, but to the much smaller cohort of undergrads who live on campus.

I thought that profile also similarly fit Grand Canyon? Lots of non traditional students with some undergrads. (Yes I know the large online enrollment is more lucrative).

Either way, I think UT Arlington will also get decent recurring visits from the local WAC fans too.

Since there has been no news release, it would appear that this isn't happening anytime soon. Is UTA hoping the Missouri Valley adds another or are they looking elsewhere also.

(01-19-2022 09:51 AM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:27 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:14 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  A UTA vs Seattle pillow fight. Wow...

Hardly. Just saying, that based on UTA’s performance in mens basketball, if they start football, it would be just as “mediocre”. As would Seattle’s would be too. They started bringing up womens tennis and volleyball. Nobody cares about those sports, but they brought them up to try and feel “superior” about their school.

I like UTA, but they shouldn’t start a football program. They should put all their efforts into mens basketball. They have a nice, new arena, and are lucky to get 1,000 people there. Supposedly with 40,000 students, that’s pathetic.

My thought about poor attendance- UTA is largely a commuter school with a substantial number of non traditional students who are focused on getting a degree while working. Athletics won’t appeal to this group, but to the much smaller cohort of undergrads who live on campus.

I thought that profile also similarly fit Grand Canyon? Lots of non traditional students with some undergrads. (Yes I know the large online enrollment is more lucrative).

Either way, I think UT Arlington will also get decent recurring visits from the local WAC fans too.

Found this quote — Over 70 percent of our (traditional ground) students live on campus. Students just enjoy living here. They enjoy being together and enjoy the convenience of it,” said Matt Hopkins, Director of Residence Life. “So the University has made a commitment to provide that. Our students have fallen in love with brand new buildings, which we have on a regular basis here.”

It continues the growth on that side of campus. Last year, the addition of Sonora, Antelope and Palo Verde apartments just west of 29th Avenue added 1,800 beds to a booming on-campus population that had increased four-fold since 2012. And the Canyon Activity Center is right across the street.

Obviously this does not include online students

(01-19-2022 09:53 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  Since there has been no news release, it would appear that this isn't happening anytime soon. Is UTA hoping the Missouri Valley adds another or are they looking elsewhere also.

I am getting worried that the WAC may have decided to reject our application also.

(01-19-2022 10:04 AM)RT98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:53 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  Since there has been no news release, it would appear that this isn't happening anytime soon. Is UTA hoping the Missouri Valley adds another or are they looking elsewhere also.

I am getting worried that the WAC may have decided to reject our application also.

Ehh you're probably fine. I mean we allowed UIW for some stupid reason.

Yall atleast have the history and facilities to fit in.

I'd imagine it's just more of getting everyone scheduled to discuss and vote.

(01-19-2022 09:27 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:14 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  A UTA vs Seattle pillow fight. Wow...

Hardly. Just saying, that based on UTA’s performance in mens basketball, if they start football, it would be just as “mediocre”. As would Seattle’s would be too. They started bringing up womens tennis and volleyball. Nobody cares about those sports, but they brought them up to try and feel “superior” about their school.

I like UTA, but they shouldn’t start a football program. They should put all their efforts into mens basketball. They have a nice, new arena, and are lucky to get 1,000 people there. Supposedly with 40,000 students, that’s pathetic.

My thought about poor attendance- UTA is largely a commuter school with a substantial number of non traditional students who are focused on getting a degree while working. Athletics won’t appeal to this group, but to the much smaller cohort of undergrads who live on campus.

If that is true, then what makes them think people in Arlington will spare part of their Saturday’s for a UTA vs UTRGV football game?

(01-19-2022 10:10 AM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:04 AM)RT98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:53 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  Since there has been no news release, it would appear that this isn't happening anytime soon. Is UTA hoping the Missouri Valley adds another or are they looking elsewhere also.

I am getting worried that the WAC may have decided to reject our application also.

Ehh you're probably fine. I mean we allowed UIW for some stupid reason.

Yall atleast have the history and facilities to fit in.

I'd imagine it's just more of getting everyone scheduled to discuss and vote.

That was a remarkably honest assessment. The Texas schools have just supported one of the schools they just wanted to get away, after also lobbying for UIW to join their former conference. I believe the "stupid reason" you mentioned is quite obvious.

And same said "stupid reason" will apply to UTA joining. And hopefully "y'all" also take both UTA and UIW with you when you leave.

(01-19-2022 10:04 AM)RT98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:53 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  Since there has been no news release, it would appear that this isn't happening anytime soon. Is UTA hoping the Missouri Valley adds another or are they looking elsewhere also.

I am getting worried that the WAC may have decided to reject our application also.

I think it’s a good move for both parties. I really doubt they have something better than the WAC at this point.

(01-13-2022 12:08 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  And same said "stupid reason" will apply to UTA joining. And hopefully "y'all" also take both UTA and UIW with you when you leave.

The WAC is a "Texas centric" league right now.

Why would Arlington and Incarnate Word leave unless you were going to see the 'eastern bloc' (or significant chunk of it) of the league all exit stage right at once.