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Im not a long time sport fan, so i don't always understand strategy. That looked like a lot of fake falls to draw fouls. #5 fell at least 6 times, and others not as many. They'd fall and look hurt to get the fouls, and look fine after free throws. I think that was the dirtiest win I've seen seen. I'd make sure they stayed down if they pulled that on me more than once. Pure cr_p!
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(01-08-2022 07:44 PM)Mike1989 Wrote:  Im not a long time sport fan, so i don't always understand strategy. That looked like a lot of fake falls to draw fouls. #5 fell at least 6 times, and others not as many. They'd fall and look hurt to get the fouls, and look fine after free throws. I think that was the dirtiest win I've seen seen. I'd make sure they stayed down if they pulled that on me more than once. Pure cr_p!

Mike, IT IS GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN, thanks for the post!

The game was poorly officiated for sure and Ball State players were flopping left and right. They actually got called for it, which is unusual. Kind of funny when you are the bigger and more physically capable team.
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(01-08-2022 08:11 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-08-2022 07:44 PM)Mike1989 Wrote:  Im not a long time sport fan, so i don't always understand strategy. That looked like a lot of fake falls to draw fouls. #5 fell at least 6 times, and others not as many. They'd fall and look hurt to get the fouls, and look fine after free throws. I think that was the dirtiest win I've seen seen. I'd make sure they stayed down if they pulled that on me more than once. Pure cr_p!

Mike, IT IS GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN, thanks for the post!

The game was poorly officiated for sure and Ball State players were flopping left and right. They actually got called for it, which is unusual. Kind of funny when you are the bigger and more physically capable team.
Hi Jerry. Its seems like Ball State recruited from soccer teams for players. Ones that are dramatic and purposely clumsy. That was a sh$! show win. They should not be proud of it, and their coach Whitford must be pressured to win however possible. EMU President was there to see one basketball team and a group of out of town thugs and cheats.
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(01-08-2022 08:29 PM)Mike1989 Wrote:  
(01-08-2022 08:11 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-08-2022 07:44 PM)Mike1989 Wrote:  Im not a long time sport fan, so i don't always understand strategy. That looked like a lot of fake falls to draw fouls. #5 fell at least 6 times, and others not as many. They'd fall and look hurt to get the fouls, and look fine after free throws. I think that was the dirtiest win I've seen seen. I'd make sure they stayed down if they pulled that on me more than once. Pure cr_p!

Mike, IT IS GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN, thanks for the post!

The game was poorly officiated for sure and Ball State players were flopping left and right. They actually got called for it, which is unusual. Kind of funny when you are the bigger and more physically capable team.
Hi Jerry. Its seems like Ball State recruited from soccer teams for players. Ones that are dramatic and purposely clumsy. That was a sh$! show win. They should not be proud of it, and their coach Whitford must be pressured to win however possible. EMU President was there to see one basketball team and a group of out of town thugs and cheats.
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(01-08-2022 07:44 PM)Mike1989 Wrote:  Im not a long time sport fan, so i don't always understand strategy. That looked like a lot of fake falls to draw fouls. #5 fell at least 6 times, and others not as many. They'd fall and look hurt to get the fouls, and look fine after free throws. I think that was the dirtiest win I've seen seen. I'd make sure they stayed down if they pulled that on me more than once. Pure cr_p!

Perhaps but the refs are not shooting 3s for Ball St players. Ball St had a good game plan pound the ball inside to draw fouls or pull it back out for the 3. And as pointed out they defended Noah well. In the end we lost because we didn't shoot the ball as well as
they did on the 3s.
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(01-09-2022 06:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-08-2022 07:44 PM)Mike1989 Wrote:  Im not a long time sport fan, so i don't always understand strategy. That looked like a lot of fake falls to draw fouls. #5 fell at least 6 times, and others not as many. They'd fall and look hurt to get the fouls, and look fine after free throws. I think that was the dirtiest win I've seen seen. I'd make sure they stayed down if they pulled that on me more than once. Pure cr_p!

Perhaps but the refs are not shooting 3s for Ball St players. Ball St had a good game plan pound the ball inside to draw fouls or pull it back out for the 3. And as pointed out they defended Noah well. In the end we lost because we didn't shoot the ball as well as
they did on the 3s.

Mike is understandably upset about the officiating, it was horrible, especially late in the game. Let's also face it, visiting teams usually don't get more than double the free-throw attempts of the home team either.

Nevertheless, you are correct BSU just plain scorched the nets on threes. I hate losing at home but Ball State is hardly a bad team. Bumbalough is a great shooter and they have athletic 4 & 5 players. WMU they are not.
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(01-09-2022 06:27 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-09-2022 06:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-08-2022 07:44 PM)Mike1989 Wrote:  Im not a long time sport fan, so i don't always understand strategy. That looked like a lot of fake falls to draw fouls. #5 fell at least 6 times, and others not as many. They'd fall and look hurt to get the fouls, and look fine after free throws. I think that was the dirtiest win I've seen seen. I'd make sure they stayed down if they pulled that on me more than once. Pure cr_p!

Perhaps but the refs are not shooting 3s for Ball St players. Ball St had a good game plan pound the ball inside to draw fouls or pull it back out for the 3. And as pointed out they defended Noah well. In the end we lost because we didn't shoot the ball as well as
they did on the 3s.

Mike is understandably upset about the officiating, it was horrible, especially late in the game. Let's also face it, visiting teams usually don't get more than double the free-throw attempts of the home team either.

Nevertheless, you are correct BSU just plain scorched the nets on threes. I hate losing at home but Ball State is hardly a bad team. Bumbalough is a great shooter and they have athletic 4 & 5 players. WMU they are not.

Ball St players were total floppers, especially that Sparks guy. It was absurd how fake his falls were, and the comparison to European soccer players in the other post was very apt. We always seem to have problems with Refs during Ball St games.
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I didn’t like the officiating but that’s not why we lost. We don’t have consistent scoring in the post when our guards get cold. Golson had a great game but we need more low post scoring so that the post can kick out Doran open look. The other thing killing this team is turn overs . We get way too many turnovers. At this pace we will be a 0.500 team in the conference. If we can average 10 TOs or less and find consistent low post scoring, we will see improvement and be successful.

CMU will be a tough game. Our guards are not consistent scorers so every game we need to fight and scratch on defense and offense.
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(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I didn’t like the officiating but that’s not why we lost. We don’t have consistent scoring in the post when our guards get cold. Golson had a great game but we need more low post scoring so that the post can kick out Doran open look. The other thing killing this team is turn overs . We get way too many turnovers. At this pace we will be a 0.500 team in the conference. If we can average 10 TOs or less and find consistent low post scoring, we will see improvement and be successful.

CMU will be a tough game. Our guards are not consistent scorers so every game we need to fight and scratch on defense and offense.

Pardon the reference to the Wizards, but I learn so much hoops watching them.

I watched last night's game vs. the Orlando Magic, a bad rebuilding team.

The Wiz were dynamite when center Daniel Gafford was in there taking the lob, pick and rolls, put back slams, etc. The whole offense was wide open.

We was our only center last night (because of Covid). When he went out, the POST game completely shut down. Wiz had to rely on a pass or two and outside shot which led to some ugly offense. The offense completely dried up like a desert.

I see EMU as having the same issues. W/out an inside post game it is pass the ball around the arc and eventually hoist up a shot. That offense will eventually get as cold as a mid-January day in Michigan.

The only hope is that the other team misses shots, produces rebounds which the guards can fast break and negate the lack of a post game.

When the other team is shooting well... It is curtains... It will end up being an ugly half court game.
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Even though WMU is a bad team, EMU scored 47 points in the first-half because it forced 11 WMU turnovers. That resulted in WMU scoring but 30 points.,EMU did so because EMU’s quick players play aggressively wreck havoc to opponents offenses. To win, EMU has to play that way when leading or trailing in points as it’s defense is it’s best offense.

It must also first and foremost stop the three-ball by playing above the three point line. EMU must hold opponents to scoring no more than 4 or 5 three’s, not shooting 8-16 on three’s as Ball State did. That’s a prescription for losing games.

Nate Scott needs to play more than the 27 minutes he played in BSU. Does a good job defending the rim, rebounding (9), and committing few three’s or turnovers.

EMU also must not be committing more than 13 fouls per game.

On offense it must spread the court as the strength of it’s players skill set is driving to the hoop. EMU playing a low-post offense is a death sentence to EMU’s offense as players have a difficult navigating to the hoop. If court spread, EMU will have 6 players in most games who make half it’s two’s.

The team is a two point shooting team, not a three point team. EMU took 25 three’s in the BSU game and shot them at only 25 percent..EMU should shoot far fewer three’s. Let other teams shoot a lot of three’s and force them to shoot a low-percentage.

To many sub-in being made who don’t help the team. That also hurt’s better players from finding their rhythm.


Monty has to stop being so timid and shoot two’s way more than he recently has. Noah has to pass and foul less and shoot more when he’s on. Golson also needs has to shoot more but needs to take good jumpers or drives to the hoop. Can’t afford to crash and burn a lot.

Going forward, EMU has to replicate how they played in the first half of the WMU game. EMU should be a winning team. Now they have to prove it on the court.
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(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I didn’t like the officiating but that’s not why we lost. We don’t have consistent scoring in the post when our guards get cold. Golson had a great game but we need more low post scoring so that the post can kick out Doran open look. The other thing killing this team is turn overs . We get way too many turnovers. At this pace we will be a 0.500 team in the conference. If we can average 10 TOs or less and find consistent low post scoring, we will see improvement and be successful.

CMU will be a tough game. Our guards are not consistent scorers so every game we need to fight and scratch on defense and offense.

That pretty much sums it up.

Noah is fabulous, but he is a FRESHMAN, while he handles the ball reasonably well, his passing skills leave a lot to be desired. Ball State designed their defense primarily to stop him getting points and while that should have created open looks for Monty and McBride, we did not take advantage of such.

Let's face it, our frontcourt is not very talented. Ballard, Okongo, Jihad and Njie don't see the court much if they play for Ball State. Spottsville is busting his butt but he is playing the 3 position at 6'4" and does not exactly thrill anyone with his offensive skills. Golson is impressive, but when your 4 pos guy is only 6'6" well... Nate Scott is decent but hardly spectacular and Binelli, was as usual MIA. There is a reason you never Heath playing less than three guards, we clearly have a dearth of firepower in the frontcourt.

A .500 season might actually be overly optimistic based on our roster this year. I'm not disgusted, Stan could have recruited three more players of Nate Scott's caliber instead of Njie, Randle and Jihad and we would have a better team this season. I think he mistakenly thought Binelli would be somewhat available and opted for young guys who might build his program instead of more talented seniors like Nate.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but can you imagine how good this team could be if someone stayed home instead of matriculating to Indianapolis?
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(01-10-2022 06:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I didn’t like the officiating but that’s not why we lost. We don’t have consistent scoring in the post when our guards get cold. Golson had a great game but we need more low post scoring so that the post can kick out Doran open look. The other thing killing this team is turn overs . We get way too many turnovers. At this pace we will be a 0.500 team in the conference. If we can average 10 TOs or less and find consistent low post scoring, we will see improvement and be successful.

CMU will be a tough game. Our guards are not consistent scorers so every game we need to fight and scratch on defense and offense.

That pretty much sums it up.

Noah is fabulous, but he is a FRESHMAN, while he handles the ball reasonably well, his passing skills leave a lot to be desired. Ball State designed their defense primarily to stop him getting points and while that should have created open looks for Monty and McBride, we did not take advantage of such.

Let's face it, our frontcourt is not very talented. Ballard, Okongo, Jihad and Njie don't see the court much if they play for Ball State. Spottsville is busting his butt but he is playing the 3 position at 6'4" and does not exactly thrill anyone with his offensive skills. Golson is impressive, but when your 4 pos guy is only 6'6" well... Nate Scott is decent but hardly spectacular and Binelli, was as usual MIA. There is a reason you never Heath playing less than three guards, we clearly have a dearth of firepower in the frontcourt.

A .500 season might actually be overly optimistic based on our roster this year. I'm not disgusted, Stan could have recruited three more players of Nate Scott's caliber instead of Njie, Randle and Jihad and we would have a better team this season. I think he mistakenly thought Binelli would be somewhat available and opted for young guys who might build his program instead of more talented seniors like Nate.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but can you imagine how good this team could be if someone stayed home instead of matriculating to Indianapolis?
I learn so much on here about the game. Im still pissed of a dirty flopping game, but anything is better than watching Zone for 40 minutes while the coach watches with no interest like last one. Im just glad Ballard got to play some, better than Jackson dribbling, running in last 5 seconds to have ball swatted away over and over. I didnt see last 2 years, so all the new guys are great to see learning and getting better. I like how they play together, they seem to share better and Heath is much more invested in the school and community. 500 this year looks so much better than a 500 year with Murphy. Go Eagles.
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(01-10-2022 06:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I didn’t like the officiating but that’s not why we lost. We don’t have consistent scoring in the post when our guards get cold. Golson had a great game but we need more low post scoring so that the post can kick out Doran open look. The other thing killing this team is turn overs . We get way too many turnovers. At this pace we will be a 0.500 team in the conference. If we can average 10 TOs or less and find consistent low post scoring, we will see improvement and be successful.

CMU will be a tough game. Our guards are not consistent scorers so every game we need to fight and scratch on defense and offense.

That pretty much sums it up.

Noah is fabulous, but he is a FRESHMAN, while he handles the ball reasonably well, his passing skills leave a lot to be desired. Ball State designed their defense primarily to stop him getting points and while that should have created open looks for Monty and McBride, we did not take advantage of such.

Let's face it, our frontcourt is not very talented. Ballard, Okongo, Jihad and Njie don't see the court much if they play for Ball State. Spottsville is busting his butt but he is playing the 3 position at 6'4" and does not exactly thrill anyone with his offensive skills. Golson is impressive, but when your 4 pos guy is only 6'6" well... Nate Scott is decent but hardly spectacular and Binelli, was as usual MIA. There is a reason you never Heath playing less than three guards, we clearly have a dearth of firepower in the frontcourt.

A .500 season might actually be overly optimistic based on our roster this year. I'm not disgusted, Stan could have recruited three more players of Nate Scott's caliber instead of Njie, Randle and Jihad and we would have a better team this season. I think he mistakenly thought Binelli would be somewhat available and opted for young guys who might build his program instead of more talented seniors like Nate.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but can you imagine how good this team could be if someone stayed home instead of matriculating to Indianapolis?

Great post Jerry I agree with everything you said but feel we will finish 11-7 :-)
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(01-10-2022 08:30 PM)Mike1989 Wrote:  
(01-10-2022 06:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I didn’t like the officiating but that’s not why we lost. We don’t have consistent scoring in the post when our guards get cold. Golson had a great game but we need more low post scoring so that the post can kick out Doran open look. The other thing killing this team is turn overs . We get way too many turnovers. At this pace we will be a 0.500 team in the conference. If we can average 10 TOs or less and find consistent low post scoring, we will see improvement and be successful.

CMU will be a tough game. Our guards are not consistent scorers so every game we need to fight and scratch on defense and offense.

That pretty much sums it up.

Noah is fabulous, but he is a FRESHMAN, while he handles the ball reasonably well, his passing skills leave a lot to be desired. Ball State designed their defense primarily to stop him getting points and while that should have created open looks for Monty and McBride, we did not take advantage of such.

Let's face it, our frontcourt is not very talented. Ballard, Okongo, Jihad and Njie don't see the court much if they play for Ball State. Spottsville is busting his butt but he is playing the 3 position at 6'4" and does not exactly thrill anyone with his offensive skills. Golson is impressive, but when your 4 pos guy is only 6'6" well... Nate Scott is decent but hardly spectacular and Binelli, was as usual MIA. There is a reason you never Heath playing less than three guards, we clearly have a dearth of firepower in the frontcourt.

A .500 season might actually be overly optimistic based on our roster this year. I'm not disgusted, Stan could have recruited three more players of Nate Scott's caliber instead of Njie, Randle and Jihad and we would have a better team this season. I think he mistakenly thought Binelli would be somewhat available and opted for young guys who might build his program instead of more talented seniors like Nate.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but can you imagine how good this team could be if someone stayed home instead of matriculating to Indianapolis?
I learn so much on here about the game. Im still pissed of a dirty flopping game, but anything is better than watching Zone for 40 minutes while the coach watches with no interest like last one. Im just glad Ballard got to play some, better than Jackson dribbling, running in last 5 seconds to have ball swatted away over and over. I didnt see last 2 years, so all the new guys are great to see learning and getting better. I like how they play together, they seem to share better and Heath is much more invested in the school and community. 500 this year looks so much better than a 500 year with Murphy. Go Eagles.

Mike - thanks for your posts!
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(01-10-2022 06:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I didn’t like the officiating but that’s not why we lost. We don’t have consistent scoring in the post when our guards get cold. Golson had a great game but we need more low post scoring so that the post can kick out Doran open look. The other thing killing this team is turn overs . We get way too many turnovers. At this pace we will be a 0.500 team in the conference. If we can average 10 TOs or less and find consistent low post scoring, we will see improvement and be successful.

CMU will be a tough game. Our guards are not consistent scorers so every game we need to fight and scratch on defense and offense.

That pretty much sums it up.

Noah is fabulous, but he is a FRESHMAN, while he handles the ball reasonably well, his passing skills leave a lot to be desired. Ball State designed their defense primarily to stop him getting points and while that should have created open looks for Monty and McBride, we did not take advantage of such.

Let's face it, our frontcourt is not very talented. Ballard, Okongo, Jihad and Njie don't see the court much if they play for Ball State. Spottsville is busting his butt but he is playing the 3 position at 6'4" and does not exactly thrill anyone with his offensive skills. Golson is impressive, but when your 4 pos guy is only 6'6" well... Nate Scott is decent but hardly spectacular and Binelli, was as usual MIA. There is a reason you never Heath playing less than three guards, we clearly have a dearth of firepower in the frontcourt.

A .500 season might actually be overly optimistic based on our roster this year. I'm not disgusted, Stan could have recruited three more players of Nate Scott's caliber instead of Njie, Randle and Jihad and we would have a better team this season. I think he mistakenly thought Binelli would be somewhat available and opted for young guys who might build his program instead of more talented seniors like Nate.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but can you imagine how good this team could be if someone stayed home instead of matriculating to Indianapolis?

Excellent post. The MAC as in football any MAC team can beat another MAC team on a,given day. We dodged Ohio U and Buffalo. We are in the weak part of the schedule WMU CMU and NIU. Right now Heath looks like the best new coach hire but we have two months to go. To move up we will need to replace both Scotts Binelli and,Spottsville with upgrades.
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