(01-07-2022 01:38 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote: (01-07-2022 01:08 PM)Eagle66 Wrote: (01-07-2022 11:43 AM)Miggy Wrote: (01-07-2022 11:26 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote: (01-07-2022 11:13 AM)kreed5120 Wrote: I wouldn't pay any attention to what he has said. Ohio isn't a strong offensive team, but that's fine. There is more than 1 way to win a basketball game. Especially in a year where there are no truly great all around teams. His fixation on offense makes no sense as what good is scoring 85 points if you give up 95? Assuming no injuries, Ohio is probably the surest bet to finish with a top 2-3 record in the MAC this year.
Agreed. 
To be a top-tier MAC team, Ohio or any other MAC team has to have both a good offense and defense. Since Ohio presently doesn’t, we’ll have to see how that turns out. Most winning teams need a nice scoring margin over their opponents. Hard for that to happen if a team struggles to score points.
Surely, Toledo is one good balanced team. Still remains to be seen if there are good MAC all-round teams.To soon to say others aren’t.
Last season, lots of MAC teams were far better offensively than they were on defense.
Ohio fans should just hope Ohio’s offense improves.
I’ve tried biting my tongue in responding to some of these posts but… oh well…
I think every teams fans should hope for all aspects to improve. However based on previous posts, you have a fixation on points scored, especially without regard for defense or pace. I’ve seen you say well EMU scored 85 against WMU and Ohio only scored 59 so they’ll match up. (And who knows they might if COVID lets them actually play) But then you neglect to mention Ohio held them to 47 while EMU gave up 79. What’s that mean? Not much it’s just one game. I don’t discount EMU could very well end up in the top of the standings, but it seems like just mentioning scoring all the time, is cherry picking the stats a bit. Especially when the sample size for conference play is so small. Heck you even say just above its “To soon to say others aren’t” good all around mac teams… but you’ve been on here constantly saying Ohio isn’t good… ohio isn’t a top 3 team... So which is it? Too early or not?
As for Ohio and their offense…. Bart Torvik’s adjusted offensive efficiency is “tempo free” as he puts it. By his metrics, Ohio is #5 in the mac offensively (133 overall) while his tempo free defense efficiency for Ohio is #1 in the MAC (and 52 overall).
https://barttorvik.com/trank.php?&begin=...ad=5&rpi=#
Long story short, I’ve got other things to worry about besides Ohio’s offense, I’m just enjoying watching them win games right now.
Edits for spelling.
I didn’t cherry-pick discussing the WMU game, I discussed EMU’s offense playing WMU that was far better than Ohio’s offense playing WMU as EMU scored 85 points and Ohio just 59-points against a common opponent. But now I’ll address address EMU’s defense in that game since you raise it
as an issue.
As background, in EMU’s three prior games, EMU had shown it’s defense was good as it held it’s opponents to scoring in each game less than 60 points in regulation. It did so without forcing opponent turnovers and did so in large part because Nate Scott was very effective defending the rim.
Nate Scott did not play in the WNU game, in his absence, EMU adjusted their defense In the first half, and EMU forced many turnovers that held WMU to scoring but 30-points. At the same time EMU scored 47 points, and led WMU, 47-30, a 17-point margin at the half. Ohio only led WMU 28-24 at the end of the first-half.
In the second half, EMU did not try to force turnovers and stopped doing other things that resulted in WMU scoring 79 points.
So, I’m not concerned about EMU’s defense.
As for it’s offense, EMU scoring 85 points was a break-out game for their offense. They played far differently in it’s offensive and defensive schemes schemes in the WMU game. That gives me some confidence going forward in EMU’s capability to both score points and limit opponents scoring.
Massey ranks Ohio’s offense 169th among DIv 1 teams in the nation. Ohio averaging 64 points in it’s first two MAC games is not good.
I’m glad at least some Ohio fans realize Ohio’s offense is suspect. Hope Ohio fans realize that relying solely on their defense might not lead to success in MAC play.
