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RE: Why stop at 14?
From a football stand point I agree with ECU and Liberty. From a football stand point I disagree with Charlotte and Citadel.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 12:59 PM)Herdforlife Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 09:02 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 08:37 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  ECU and USF

Of course you want two east coast teams….

How long before Marshall starts pushing for an all east coast conference again???

Honestly that’s why Marshall came to the Sun Belt, to be in a regional conference that fits it’s southern Alumi. If there were another massive wave of realignment, I’d totally root for AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt and FCS swapping teams.

AAC: Could lose as much as 5-6 teams, would add Air Force and Army. Then would let the Academies run the Texas show.
CUSA: Teams are begging to get out for a better situation.
Sun Belt: Would be in a pretty good situation, however if the right teams could be added I’d like to see the East and West split to regionalize. If not I’m happy with the current Sun Belt.

My dream Conference;
North: Marshall, JMU, ODU, add (Liberty or Richmond), ECU and Charlotte.
South: Appy St, Coastal, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, add (Chattanooga or ETSU) and Citadel.

Could go to 14: Push Appy St north and add UAB and Troy in the south.

Liberty/Richmond?! 03-puke Chattanooga, ETSU, Citadel?!
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RE: Why stop at 14?
For ECU to join the SBC the AAC money would need to get as low as if not lower than the SBC and the SBC would have to become the G5 conference sending teams year and year to the NY6 access slot.

WKU & Missouri State would be the top 2 targets, in my opinion, if we for whatever wanted to go to 16. I’d want a GOR though so one division doesn’t end up separating from the other. Still leaves Texas State out by themselves though which sucks. FIU is a HARD PASS. I could be sold on MTSU due to location but that would be it. Still would prefer Missouri State or even Jax State over MTSU.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
There’s flawed thinking here about adding 1 in the east and 1 in the west. Ultimately, if the conference were to go to 16, it would use 4 pods of 4 with 9 conference games. That would keep every team doing a home and away within 4 years for students and would allow rivals to be put with each other to play every year.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 05:46 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  There’s flawed thinking here about adding 1 in the east and 1 in the west. Ultimately, if the conference were to go to 16, it would use 4 pods of 4 with 9 conference games. That would keep every team doing a home and away within 4 years for students and would allow rivals to be put with each other to play every year.

Who are the "lucky" teams in the USF pod then?
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 05:58 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:46 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  There’s flawed thinking here about adding 1 in the east and 1 in the west. Ultimately, if the conference were to go to 16, it would use 4 pods of 4 with 9 conference games. That would keep every team doing a home and away within 4 years for students and would allow rivals to be put with each other to play every year.

Who are the "lucky" teams in the USF pod then?

I have absolutely no idea. I’d have to look at the map and work out rivalries. I was just making a general point, not necessarily directed at adding USF. I don’t hate the prospect of adding them, since they are usually decent to good at football, even if they aren’t small town like most of the rest of us.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 06:02 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:58 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:46 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  There’s flawed thinking here about adding 1 in the east and 1 in the west. Ultimately, if the conference were to go to 16, it would use 4 pods of 4 with 9 conference games. That would keep every team doing a home and away within 4 years for students and would allow rivals to be put with each other to play every year.

Who are the "lucky" teams in the USF pod then?

I have absolutely no idea. I’d have to look at the map and work out rivalries. I was just making a general point, not necessarily directed at adding USF. I don’t hate the prospect of adding them, since they are usually decent to good at football, even if they aren’t small town like most of the rest of us.

I really don’t see USF getting added and I don’t see pods but if both did happen, the pods would likely be:

Marshall
JMU
ODU
ECU

App
Coastal
GSU
GS

USF
Troy
USA
USM

StAte
UL
ULM
Texas State
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RE: Why stop at 14?
As a supporter of a team that just joined, not sure I get to have an opinion but here it is anyways...a most value add somehow includes ECU

ECU can't be lovin' the latest and greatest AAC "market over all" lineup

SBC needs to keep 2 and sometimes get 3 in the AP top 25 with an occasional splashy p5 win to surpass the AAC as a G5 conference (some work to do w/basketball)
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 06:09 PM)High Country Student Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 06:02 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:58 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:46 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  There’s flawed thinking here about adding 1 in the east and 1 in the west. Ultimately, if the conference were to go to 16, it would use 4 pods of 4 with 9 conference games. That would keep every team doing a home and away within 4 years for students and would allow rivals to be put with each other to play every year.

Who are the "lucky" teams in the USF pod then?

I have absolutely no idea. I’d have to look at the map and work out rivalries. I was just making a general point, not necessarily directed at adding USF. I don’t hate the prospect of adding them, since they are usually decent to good at football, even if they aren’t small town like most of the rest of us.

I really don’t see USF getting added and I don’t see pods but if both did happen, the pods would likely be:

Marshall
JMU
ODU
ECU

App
Coastal
GSU
GS

USF
Troy
USA
USM

StAte
UL
ULM
Texas State

I think I’d switch Marshall and Coastal just due to history and Coastal’s ability to rival with ECU. But other than that, it looks like a pretty good list. I think pods are a necessity at 16. Otherwise you’re only seeing teams in the other divisions once in a blue moon and even rarer at home. Plus, there aren’t 7 other teams I feel need to be played every year.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 05:34 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 12:59 PM)Herdforlife Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 09:02 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 08:37 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  ECU and USF

Of course you want two east coast teams….

How long before Marshall starts pushing for an all east coast conference again???

Honestly that’s why Marshall came to the Sun Belt, to be in a regional conference that fits it’s southern Alumi. If there were another massive wave of realignment, I’d totally root for AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt and FCS swapping teams.

AAC: Could lose as much as 5-6 teams, would add Air Force and Army. Then would let the Academies run the Texas show.
CUSA: Teams are begging to get out for a better situation.
Sun Belt: Would be in a pretty good situation, however if the right teams could be added I’d like to see the East and West split to regionalize. If not I’m happy with the current Sun Belt.

My dream Conference;
North: Marshall, JMU, ODU, add (Liberty or Richmond), ECU and Charlotte.
South: Appy St, Coastal, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, add (Chattanooga or ETSU) and Citadel.

Could go to 14: Push Appy St north and add UAB and Troy in the south.

Liberty/Richmond?! 03-puke Chattanooga, ETSU, Citadel?!

Have you ever been to a football game at Richmond?
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 06:19 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 06:09 PM)High Country Student Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 06:02 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:58 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:46 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  There’s flawed thinking here about adding 1 in the east and 1 in the west. Ultimately, if the conference were to go to 16, it would use 4 pods of 4 with 9 conference games. That would keep every team doing a home and away within 4 years for students and would allow rivals to be put with each other to play every year.

Who are the "lucky" teams in the USF pod then?

I have absolutely no idea. I’d have to look at the map and work out rivalries. I was just making a general point, not necessarily directed at adding USF. I don’t hate the prospect of adding them, since they are usually decent to good at football, even if they aren’t small town like most of the rest of us.

I really don’t see USF getting added and I don’t see pods but if both did happen, the pods would likely be:

Marshall
JMU
ODU
ECU

App
Coastal
GSU
GS

USF
Troy
USA
USM

StAte
UL
ULM
Texas State

I think I’d switch Marshall and Coastal just due to history and Coastal’s ability to rival with ECU. But other than that, it looks like a pretty good list. I think pods are a necessity at 16. Otherwise you’re only seeing teams in the other divisions once in a blue moon and even rarer at home. Plus, there aren’t 7 other teams I feel need to be played every year.

Geographically that doesn’t make a lot of sense though. Marshall and ECU have plenty of history also.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 12:59 PM)Herdforlife Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 09:02 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 08:37 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  ECU and USF

Of course you want two east coast teams….

How long before Marshall starts pushing for an all east coast conference again???

Honestly that’s why Marshall came to the Sun Belt, to be in a regional conference that fits it’s southern Alumi. If there were another massive wave of realignment, I’d totally root for AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt and FCS swapping teams.

AAC: Could lose as much as 5-6 teams, would add Air Force and Army. Then would let the Academies run the Texas show.
CUSA: Teams are begging to get out for a better situation.
Sun Belt: Would be in a pretty good situation, however if the right teams could be added I’d like to see the East and West split to regionalize. If not I’m happy with the current Sun Belt.

My dream Conference;
North: Marshall, JMU, ODU, add (Liberty or Richmond), ECU and Charlotte.
South: Appy St, Coastal, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, add (Chattanooga or ETSU) and Citadel.

Could go to 14: Push Appy St north and add UAB and Troy in the south.

Why not VMI, Elon and Wofford???? Maybe Furman too???

That is a bizarre dream conference but it sure seems familiar... Oh wait a minute....
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 05:08 PM)Herdforlife Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 02:06 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 01:44 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 01:20 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 01:12 PM)Usajags Wrote:  You Marshall fans are a funny group. If that is the conference you want, why not just turn back time and go back to the SoCon??? Apparently some of you are still upset you left. 01-wingedeagle


What is your beef with the current Sunbelt setup? Its perfect. What's not to like? For both divisions?

Nothing at all wrong with the current lineup. So why do Marshall fans want to add more to it??? We haven’t even played a season with the new lineup yet..

FAN. Singular. FAN.

I will say I’m very excited for the Sun Belt conference, it is a collection of teams that each have a unique and special history and a common interest. I’m sorry if I don’t have the same perspective as you guys, but I’m literally just one individual fan typing on a message board for fun, not speaking for any group of people. Is there anything wrong with the current set up? No, it’s a great group, but on that same note I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a college football fan rooting for his hometown team to add its rival (ECU) and other local drivable games to its conference. You have a point that a lot of those teams are not D1 material, but I still think ECU, Charlotte, Liberty and The Citadel would be fun adds to the Sun Belt east.

I don’t think Marshall is above any team in this conference nor does it run the show. I’m just stating G5 conferences are becoming more and more equal with everyone being pulled up to P5, so why not focus on having regional leagues that fans could easily enjoy road games.

I really didn’t say anything about it neither negative nor positive.

But I will say this: We haven’t even played a game and expansion is being discussed?

That’s like the new employee (Marshall) being invited to the company gala (Belt) and turning his nose up at the spread (Teams in the Belt) and ordering a pizza. Not a crime or anything to get into a twist over, but just bad form imho.
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(01-03-2022 12:44 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  How in the world do you even begin to suggest FIU as a top 3 potential expansion candidate?????

Also, 14 has us all packed pretty tight. I see no benefits to adding to more

The Sun Belt Conference is in perfect shape with the new schools coming in. Fourteen is going to work out perfectly if and until someone comes poaching.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
14 with the lineup we have is perfect. Everyone who wanted to be in a new "East Coast Conference" is in one now (except WKU, but they chose to leave). That "East Coast Conference" is the Sun Belt East. I also feel it's important to play each Sun Belt member in the other division as much as possible, to stay as much of a cohesive unit as possible. If it's true that multiple SBC schools turned down the AAC this cycle, we should have nothing to worry about. The current lineup should be the long-term solution, and I'm excited to watch the perception of this conference continue to improve.

If we ever go to 16, I would think it would have to be with ECU and UAB.

ECU does not fit the AAC. It's the one rural school in an urban conference, and there are 5 private/military schools in there. ECU would fit right in with the likes of Marshall, ODU, App, and Southern Miss. Those games would likely draw more eyes and bodies to games in Greenville than most of the AAC does now.

UAB would be the perfect R1 institution to pair with fellow R1 Georgia State. They're in neighboring states, right where the West/East split is. They're the only public non-P5 R1s in their states.

Imagine Marshall, Southern Miss, ECU, and UAB together again (4 of the 6 teams in C-USA East from the 2005-2012 seasons). Unless we can make that happen, my opinion is that we should stick to our 14 as the long-term solution.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 07:42 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:08 PM)Herdforlife Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 02:06 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 01:44 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 01:20 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  What is your beef with the current Sunbelt setup? Its perfect. What's not to like? For both divisions?

Nothing at all wrong with the current lineup. So why do Marshall fans want to add more to it??? We haven’t even played a season with the new lineup yet..

FAN. Singular. FAN.

I will say I’m very excited for the Sun Belt conference, it is a collection of teams that each have a unique and special history and a common interest. I’m sorry if I don’t have the same perspective as you guys, but I’m literally just one individual fan typing on a message board for fun, not speaking for any group of people. Is there anything wrong with the current set up? No, it’s a great group, but on that same note I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a college football fan rooting for his hometown team to add its rival (ECU) and other local drivable games to its conference. You have a point that a lot of those teams are not D1 material, but I still think ECU, Charlotte, Liberty and The Citadel would be fun adds to the Sun Belt east.

I don’t think Marshall is above any team in this conference nor does it run the show. I’m just stating G5 conferences are becoming more and more equal with everyone being pulled up to P5, so why not focus on having regional leagues that fans could easily enjoy road games.

I really didn’t say anything about it neither negative nor positive.

But I will say this: We haven’t even played a game and expansion is being discussed?

That’s like the new employee (Marshall) being invited to the company gala (Belt) and turning his nose up at the spread (Teams in the Belt) and ordering a pizza. Not a crime or anything to get into a twist over, but just bad form imho.

You’re right, I’ll eat my crow on this. Bad form and I am grateful to be in the Sun Belt, they’ve really built something these last few years. I just haven’t gotten the sensation that expansion has finished (with playoff expansion and new tv deals) and haven’t really gotten the feeling that we are standing on solid ground yet. Just overly anxious about staying in a conference I can drive to away games and grow the competitiveness of all sports, not just football that I have overlooked the quality of the teams in the Sun Belt. I was wrong and I’ll cancel my pizza, please accept my apology folks.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 10:22 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 09:02 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 08:37 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  ECU and USF

Of course you want two east coast teams….

How long before Marshall starts pushing for an all east coast conference again???

We're happy. We aren't even east coast. It's pretty far to the coast from here. We can't get more regional and remain southern based. I would add ECU East and then the West would pick up who they wanted in a perfect world. ECU will tire of all that Texas just as we did. They'll be looking for a new home if the money gets closer together. Don't care about USF. They slid off their mountain.

Frankly, 16 teams does nothing for me. If you're going 16 you might as well go 18. Then you have two round-robin divisions of 8 games and the winners play in the championship. This makes travel even better. Saves a ton of money for the individual schools. And the championship game is never a repeat of a season game. I like what we have now. But if we were going to expand 16 is a bad model giving room for only one crossover or having to eliminate one OOC game to get two. Both bad choices. Just eliminate the travel, altogether, get a fresh matchup for the title and own the south completely.

I used to say this but no one else seemed to like it.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
Haven't seen this proposed so here it goes. Stay at 14 until you can get ECU and stay at 15.

North: App. State, ECU, ODU, JMU, Marshall

South: CCU, GS, GSU, Troy, USA

West: Ark. State, TXST, ULL, ULM, USM

Divisions remain more compact, allows for 8 conference games in football (18-20 in basketball) while playing teams from other divisions frequently (twice every 5 years unless you have a protected rival, ex. App State-Georgia Southern, USA-USM), and having an odd number of teams could help schedule pay games against SEC schools in November instead of having an awkward late season bye week.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 10:35 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 10:22 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 09:02 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 08:37 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  ECU and USF

Of course you want two east coast teams….

How long before Marshall starts pushing for an all east coast conference again???

We're happy. We aren't even east coast. It's pretty far to the coast from here. We can't get more regional and remain southern based. I would add ECU East and then the West would pick up who they wanted in a perfect world. ECU will tire of all that Texas just as we did. They'll be looking for a new home if the money gets closer together. Don't care about USF. They slid off their mountain.

Frankly, 16 teams does nothing for me. If you're going 16 you might as well go 18. Then you have two round-robin divisions of 8 games and the winners play in the championship. This makes travel even better. Saves a ton of money for the individual schools. And the championship game is never a repeat of a season game. I like what we have now. But if we were going to expand 16 is a bad model giving room for only one crossover or having to eliminate one OOC game to get two. Both bad choices. Just eliminate the travel, altogether, get a fresh matchup for the title and own the south completely.

I used to say this but no one else seemed to like it.

The issue with that is that you're not even a conference anymore at that point. You're just a mini NFL with an AFC (West) and NFC (East) That meet in the championship game.
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RE: Why stop at 14?
(01-03-2022 11:36 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 10:35 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 10:22 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 09:02 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 08:37 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  ECU and USF

Of course you want two east coast teams….

How long before Marshall starts pushing for an all east coast conference again???

We're happy. We aren't even east coast. It's pretty far to the coast from here. We can't get more regional and remain southern based. I would add ECU East and then the West would pick up who they wanted in a perfect world. ECU will tire of all that Texas just as we did. They'll be looking for a new home if the money gets closer together. Don't care about USF. They slid off their mountain.

Frankly, 16 teams does nothing for me. If you're going 16 you might as well go 18. Then you have two round-robin divisions of 8 games and the winners play in the championship. This makes travel even better. Saves a ton of money for the individual schools. And the championship game is never a repeat of a season game. I like what we have now. But if we were going to expand 16 is a bad model giving room for only one crossover or having to eliminate one OOC game to get two. Both bad choices. Just eliminate the travel, altogether, get a fresh matchup for the title and own the south completely.

I used to say this but no one else seemed to like it.

The issue with that is that you're not even a conference anymore at that point. You're just a mini NFL with an AFC (West) and NFC (East) That meet in the championship game.
Exactly. So stay at 14 or just go ahead and go all the way.
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