(12-29-2021 11:21 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 10:14 AM)Miggy Wrote:  If EMU is not able to re-schedule it’s postponed games against both Ohio and Buffalo, they will be considered “no-contest” games. As such, EMU will play just 18-conference games.

If both games are not re-scheduled, EMU will only face Ohio at home and Buffalo on the road. EMU is scheduled to only face Toledo once at home.

So, it’s possible that EMU will only face one time the three-top ranked teams in the MAC, and 2 of those 3 games are being played at the George Gervin Convo Center.

EMU also just plays Akron once at Akron.

Great news for EMu but hopefully we get the games rescheduled. I don’t want to back into a top 5 spot.

Wish the other teams were canceling, not us. If so Ferris State is looking for an opponent.

It would be fun to play them.

https://twitter.com/FerrisMBBALL/status/...56107?s=20

(12-29-2021 12:31 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Wish the other teams were canceling, not us. If so Ferris State is looking for an opponent.

It would be fun to play them.

https://twitter.com/FerrisMBBALL/status/...56107?s=20

Not a good idea to play a low level team right before conference season begins.

Looks like BallSt@NIU and Akron@BowlingGreen were also postponed.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...conference

My sister, my nephew, and my cousins kid all just had it- and usually have asthma related complications to illness. But not in this case as all were vaccinated. I assume the players are all required to be vaccinated. So I assume/hope everyone affected by it in these games will be fine soon… and we will all get back to a regular basketball season again.

(12-29-2021 01:50 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Looks like BallSt@NIU and Akron@BowlingGreen were also postponed.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...conference

My sister, my nephew, and my cousins kid all just had it- and usually have asthma related complications to illness. But not in this case as all were vaccinated. I assume the players are all required to be vaccinated. So I assume/hope everyone affected by it in these games will be fine soon… and we will all get back to a regular basketball season again.

Does anyone/Miggy know if the players are required to be tested at a certain frequency (ie weekly?)

(12-29-2021 01:53 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 01:50 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Looks like BallSt@NIU and Akron@BowlingGreen were also postponed.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...conference

My sister, my nephew, and my cousins kid all just had it- and usually have asthma related complications to illness. But not in this case as all were vaccinated. I assume the players are all required to be vaccinated. So I assume/hope everyone affected by it in these games will be fine soon… and we will all get back to a regular basketball season again.

Does anyone/Miggy know if the players are required to be tested at a certain frequency (ie weekly?)

Per MAC rules the answer is yes.

Akron postponed it’s first two MAC games games against Bowling Green and Northern Illinois.

Ball State postponed it’s game against Illinois State tonight.

Two big upsets today.

MOH beat Buffalo at Buffalo by 10-points, 91-81.MOH scored 57- points in the second half. MOH’s Lairy scored 28-points, Grant 23 for Buffalo.in the second half, MOH scored 18 points in 11 minutes. MOH missed 13 foul shots, secondary players shot 1-17 on three’s.

After viewing Buffalo’s performance, a Buffalo poster said that Buffalo will finish somewhere in the middle of the MAC standings.

Only reason MOH scored 91-points is that they made 9-three’s, took 24 foul shots and made 20 of them. Their two-point percentage was only 40 percent. MOH was weak defensively inside. MOH also fouled excessively allowing Buffalo to take 32 foul-shots. MAC opponents need to shut-down MOH’s three-point shooting and keep them off the foul -line.

Buffalo didn’t shoot it’s two nor three’s well. Scored 81-points by scoring 19-points at the foul-line. Buffalo fouled excessively as well.

Buffalo’s Mballa scored 26-point, Segu scored 21-points, J Williams. 20-points. Segu and J.Williams combined in shooting only 37 percent on two’s (7-19).

Other Buffalo players provided virtually no scoring. Buffalo scored 81 points the same they averaged in non conference play. Buffalo’s opponents averaged just 69 ppg in non-conference games.Buffalo played a lot of cream-puffs that couldn’t score nor defend. Reason why Buffalo was able to post a 8-3 record non-conference games.

Buffalo’s strength of schedule was only ranked 237th in the nation, it’s opponents 274, compared to EMU’s SOS being 74, it’s opponents 143.

Tip my hat to EMU’s HC Heath for having EMU play a tough non-conference schedule. That’s why non-conference records so misleading as to the quality of a particular team.

We need to watch to see how quality Buffalo conference opponents score against Buffalo, and whether they continue to excessively foul or give up the three ball.

MOH came into the game with a 6-5 non-conference record, averaging 78 ppg, opponents 66 ppg.

Massey ranking service rated Buffalo 105th best team in the nation, MOH 197. Shows how far rankings are off as they don’t seem
To put much weight into strength of schedules.,

Central Michigan upset Kent State 72-69 points at KSU. CMU only scored so many points as it made 20 foul shots and shot their three’s well. Shot two’s at less than 35 percent. CMU led the entire second hal playing at KSU.

KSU sported a 5-5 conference record, averaging 71 ppg., opponents 61 ppg. KSU scored no better than they did in non-conference play. Kent State was not good shooting three’s in non-conference games and was awful shooting three’s against CMU. KSU only scored 69-points against CMU because KSU players were fouled a lot, enabling KSU to score 27-points at the foul-line.

CMU played a zone defense. KSU’s HC was clueless as to how to beat it.KSU’s HC didn’t rein-in his three-point shooters even though they were shooting three’s poorly. Result was KSU’s Santiago was 0-9 on three’s, Carry 2-13 on three’s. Clear KSU’s offense is struggling and may not be as good as last season when KSU averaged 76 ppg in conference play.

CMU came into the game with a 1-10 non-conference record, averaging 64 ppg, opponents 84 ppg.

Massey rated Kent State the 155th best team in the nation, Central Michigan the 334th best team out of 354 Div.1 teams. But, CMU played a tougher schedule and the teams they played also played a tougher schedule that KSU did.

Both upsets today, gives EMU hope going into conference play.

CMU had one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the nation, 20th best to be exact. KSU had a 260 strength of schedule. CMU’s non-conference opponents had a 112 strength of schedule, KSU’s opponents had a 171 strength of schedule. CMU lost to Gonzaga, DePaul, Kentucky, and Cavier, but are a much stronger team having done so.

Lesson learned may well be ito pay less attention to a MAC team’s non-conference records and more attention to the team’s strength of schedule,

The best MAC team today was Toledo as beat Western Michigan 83-56. Toledo appears to be in the top tier of MAC teams, as it’s offensive system is executed so well. Remains to be seen who’s there with them.

At the end of today, EMU has a better record than Buffalo, Kent State, and Western Michigan, and that’s a positive. By the end of next weekend EMU may well be 2-0 in MAC play.

MAC officials have moved the Akron-Buffalo game scheduled for February 1st to this up-coming Saturday.

I’ve included additional info in my prior post as to why we should pay more attention to a MAC team’s strength of schedule in non-conference games, and less to MAC teams records, as that may well be predictable as how MAC teams may fair playing certain MAC teams. It sure seems to help explain CMU’s upset of KSU, and MOH’s upset of Buffalo.

It seems that both Buffalo and KSU padded their wins by playing weak teams in order to post a good non-conference record and thus receive a high national ranking.,but now they face the reality of playing teams that did not dodge tougher opponents.

Ohio dodged playing good teams as well and finds itself with a good record. Toledo is the onlybMAC team that did not dodge playing good teams, but still managed to have a good non-conference record.

Toledo should easily beat KSU on KSU’s home court this Saturday.

Buffalo plays at Akron Saturday. Should be Buffalo’s offense v. Akron’s defense.
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Bowling Green travels to play Ball State on Saturday. BG should beat Ball State.

CMU travels to play MOH on Saturday. MOH should beat CMU.

Ohio travels to play Western Michigan on Saturday. Ohio should beat WMU.

By the end of the weekend, Toledo will likely be the only MAC team that has played so far that we know is good.

(12-27-2021 01:26 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 11:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Ohio and Buffalo games are postponed! See Schedule.

Per MAC Rules, games can only be postponed if a MAC team has less than 7-players and a coach ready to play. Best wishes for a full-recovery by all EMU players, coaches, and staff, who have Covid.

Here it goes again…..hopefully everyone stays healthy!

I don't understand all of these positive cases and postponements.

Using an example I'm very familiar: The Washington Wizards. They have EIGHT players in the health and safety protocol.

If teams are or nearly 100% vaccinated how do we get so many presumed breakthru cases (Note: Bradley Beal wasn't vaccinated).

Did athletic teams opt for the cheap and easy, one shot J&J?

I don't understand. If 10 people in an office all received 2 shot vaccinates could 50% come up with breakthru?

If what is circulating in wider society maybe 3, 5 or even 10 times worse than we think because only a very small percentage get tested within any given week.

(12-30-2021 07:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 01:26 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 11:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Ohio and Buffalo games are postponed! See Schedule.

Per MAC Rules, games can only be postponed if a MAC team has less than 7-players and a coach ready to play. Best wishes for a full-recovery by all EMU players, coaches, and staff, who have Covid.

Here it goes again…..hopefully everyone stays healthy!

I don't understand all of these positive cases and postponements.

Using an example I'm very familiar: The Washington Wizards. They have EIGHT players in the health and safety protocol.

If teams are or nearly 100% vaccinated how do we get so many presumed breakthru cases (Note: Bradley Beal wasn't vaccinated).

Did athletic teams opt for the cheap and easy, one shot J&J?

I don't understand. If 10 people in an office all received 2 shot vaccinates could 50% come up with breakthru?

If what is circulating in wider society maybe 3, 5 or even 10 times worse than we think because only a very small percentage get tested within any given week.

Because the virus mutates. The vaccine isn't fool proof against getting virus.
what it does is make it so you don't get as sick. The reason for isolation is so you don't give it to others. Thereby slowing the spread. Also 2 shots isn't enough the vaccine starts becoming less effective 6 months after your second dose. So you need a third dose. This may change soon to a forth dose to become fully vaccinated. They can't tell how how effective it is until 6 months after each dose. So it takes time.

(12-30-2021 08:27 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 07:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 01:26 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 11:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Ohio and Buffalo games are postponed! See Schedule.

Per MAC Rules, games can only be postponed if a MAC team has less than 7-players and a coach ready to play. Best wishes for a full-recovery by all EMU players, coaches, and staff, who have Covid.

Here it goes again…..hopefully everyone stays healthy!

I don't understand all of these positive cases and postponements.

Using an example I'm very familiar: The Washington Wizards. They have EIGHT players in the health and safety protocol.

If teams are or nearly 100% vaccinated how do we get so many presumed breakthru cases (Note: Bradley Beal wasn't vaccinated).

Did athletic teams opt for the cheap and easy, one shot J&J?

I don't understand. If 10 people in an office all received 2 shot vaccinates could 50% come up with breakthru?

If what is circulating in wider society maybe 3, 5 or even 10 times worse than we think because only a very small percentage get tested within any given week.

Because the virus mutates. The vaccine isn't fool proof against getting virus.
what it does is make it so you don't get as sick. The reason for isolation is so you don't give it to others. Thereby slowing the spread. Also 2 shots isn't enough the vaccine starts becoming less effective 6 months after your second dose. So you need a third dose. This may change soon to a forth dose to become fully vaccinated. They can't tell how how effective it is until 6 months after each dose. So it takes time.

Well done Carl.

(12-30-2021 08:27 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 07:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 01:26 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 11:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Ohio and Buffalo games are postponed! See Schedule.

Per MAC Rules, games can only be postponed if a MAC team has less than 7-players and a coach ready to play. Best wishes for a full-recovery by all EMU players, coaches, and staff, who have Covid.

Here it goes again…..hopefully everyone stays healthy!

I don't understand all of these positive cases and postponements.

Using an example I'm very familiar: The Washington Wizards. They have EIGHT players in the health and safety protocol.

If teams are or nearly 100% vaccinated how do we get so many presumed breakthru cases (Note: Bradley Beal wasn't vaccinated).

Did athletic teams opt for the cheap and easy, one shot J&J?

I don't understand. If 10 people in an office all received 2 shot vaccinates could 50% come up with breakthru?

If what is circulating in wider society maybe 3, 5 or even 10 times worse than we think because only a very small percentage get tested within any given week.

Because the virus mutates. The vaccine isn't fool proof against getting virus.
what it does is make it so you don't get as sick. The reason for isolation is so you don't give it to others. Thereby slowing the spread. Also 2 shots isn't enough the vaccine starts becoming less effective 6 months after your second dose. So you need a third dose. This may change soon to a forth dose to become fully vaccinated. They can't tell how how effective it is until 6 months after each dose. So it takes time.

The other problem is health care workers airlines and critical workers who have been vaccinated even with 3 shots are testing positive which is disrupting health care and the economy. Anything you can do to slow the spread please do. Testing supplies have been a,huge problem ever since this began and it's not getting better soon. January could be,a very bad month. Our women's. team has been cancelling games as well.

(12-30-2021 08:27 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 07:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 01:26 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 11:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Ohio and Buffalo games are postponed! See Schedule.

Per MAC Rules, games can only be postponed if a MAC team has less than 7-players and a coach ready to play. Best wishes for a full-recovery by all EMU players, coaches, and staff, who have Covid.

Here it goes again…..hopefully everyone stays healthy!

I don't understand all of these positive cases and postponements.

Using an example I'm very familiar: The Washington Wizards. They have EIGHT players in the health and safety protocol.

If teams are or nearly 100% vaccinated how do we get so many presumed breakthru cases (Note: Bradley Beal wasn't vaccinated).

Did athletic teams opt for the cheap and easy, one shot J&J?

I don't understand. If 10 people in an office all received 2 shot vaccinates could 50% come up with breakthru?

If what is circulating in wider society maybe 3, 5 or even 10 times worse than we think because only a very small percentage get tested within any given week.

Because the virus mutates. The vaccine isn't fool proof against getting virus.
what it does is make it so you don't get as sick. The reason for isolation is so you don't give it to others. Thereby slowing the spread. Also 2 shots isn't enough the vaccine starts becoming less effective 6 months after your second dose. So you need a third dose. This may change soon to a forth dose to become fully vaccinated. They can't tell how how effective it is until 6 months after each dose. So it takes time.

Carl what you say is true, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

The only point I was trying to make is that the number of positive cases is probably much, much greater than even epidemiologists believe.

Public health pros look at the percent positive each day (can get that from NYTimes, etc.) which they use as a benchmark for the INCIDENCE of Covid (those who develop it, i.e., test positive, say on a given day or week).

It has been recently as high as 15 - 20%. That is the proportion of those tested who test positive. This little table show roughly 1 of 6 tests is positive.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021...cases.html

Yet, with say NBA teams, e.g. Wizards, the INCIDENCE now appears say 50%. (50% of those test the last few days tested positive) and it is bad all over the league. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/30/...the-league

Now... Where I'm going... If we tested 100M people tomorrow would we get a staggering, mind numbing say 40, 50M positive cases???

Is Omicron sweeping through and will infect 50% of the U.S. population regardless of vaccination status??? Is it even 2 or 3 times higher than we believe even with heavy testing?

And another thought: Where would we be if we were medically back where we were in 1918??? Would 10 or 20% of our population die (like the Spanish flu)???

For the hell of it, I posted say 10 days ago on Twitter that I thought infections and hospitalizations were becoming de-coupled.

Maybe 5 of 100 infections a year ago ended up in hospitalization. Now it might be 1 in 100 infections lead to hospitalizations. That is the good news.

(12-29-2021 05:23 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Akron postponed it’s first two MAC games games against Bowling Green and Northern Illinois.

Ball State postponed it’s game against Illinois State tonight.

Two big upsets today.

MOH beat Buffalo at Buffalo by 10-points, 91-81.MOH scored 57- points in the second half. MOH’s Lairy scored 28-points, Grant 23 for Buffalo.in the second half, MOH scored 18 points in 11 minutes. MOH missed 13 foul shots, secondary players shot 1-17 on three’s.

After viewing Buffalo’s performance, a Buffalo poster said that Buffalo will finish somewhere in the middle of the MAC standings.

Only reason MOH scored 91-points is that they made 9-three’s, took 24 foul shots and made 20 of them. Their two-point percentage was only 40 percent. MOH was weak defensively inside. MOH also fouled excessively allowing Buffalo to take 32 foul-shots. MAC opponents need to shut-down MOH’s three-point shooting and keep them off the foul -line.

Buffalo didn’t shoot it’s two nor three’s well. Scored 81-points by scoring 19-points at the foul-line. Buffalo fouled excessively as well.

Buffalo’s Mballa scored 26-point, Segu scored 21-points, J Williams. 20-points. Segu and J.Williams combined in shooting only 37 percent on two’s (7-19).

Other Buffalo players provided virtually no scoring. Buffalo scored 81 points the same they averaged in non conference play. Buffalo’s opponents averaged just 69 ppg in non-conference games.Buffalo played a lot of cream-puffs that couldn’t score nor defend. Reason why Buffalo was able to post a 8-3 record non-conference games.

Buffalo’s strength of schedule was only ranked 237th in the nation, it’s opponents 274, compared to EMU’s SOS being 74, it’s opponents 143.

Tip my hat to EMU’s HC Heath for having EMU play a tough non-conference schedule. That’s why non-conference records so misleading as to the quality of a particular team.

We need to watch to see how quality Buffalo conference opponents score against Buffalo, and whether they continue to excessively foul or give up the three ball.

MOH came into the game with a 6-5 non-conference record, averaging 78 ppg, opponents 66 ppg.

Massey ranking service rated Buffalo 105th best team in the nation, MOH 197. Shows how far rankings are off as they don’t seem
To put much weight into strength of schedules.,

Central Michigan upset Kent State 72-69 points at KSU. CMU only scored so many points as it made 20 foul shots and shot their three’s well. Shot two’s at less than 35 percent. CMU led the entire second hal playing at KSU.

KSU sported a 5-5 conference record, averaging 71 ppg., opponents 61 ppg. KSU scored no better than they did in non-conference play. Kent State was not good shooting three’s in non-conference games and was awful shooting three’s against CMU. KSU only scored 69-points against CMU because KSU players were fouled a lot, enabling KSU to score 27-points at the foul-line.

CMU played a zone defense. KSU’s HC was clueless as to how to beat it.KSU’s HC didn’t rein-in his three-point shooters even though they were shooting three’s poorly. Result was KSU’s Santiago was 0-9 on three’s, Carry 2-13 on three’s. Clear KSU’s offense is struggling and may not be as good as last season when KSU averaged 76 ppg in conference play.

CMU came into the game with a 1-10 non-conference record, averaging 64 ppg, opponents 84 ppg.

Massey rated Kent State the 155th best team in the nation, Central Michigan the 334th best team out of 354 Div.1 teams. But, CMU played a tougher schedule and the teams they played also played a tougher schedule that KSU did.

Both upsets today, gives EMU hope going into conference play.

CMU had one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the nation, 20th best to be exact. KSU had a 260 strength of schedule. CMU’s non-conference opponents had a 112 strength of schedule, KSU’s opponents had a 171 strength of schedule. CMU lost to Gonzaga, DePaul, Kentucky, and Cavier, but are a much stronger team having done so.

Lesson learned may well be ito pay less attention to a MAC team’s non-conference records and more attention to the team’s strength of schedule,

The best MAC team today was Toledo as beat Western Michigan 83-56. Toledo appears to be in the top tier of MAC teams, as it’s offensive system is executed so well. Remains to be seen who’s there with them.

At the end of today, EMU has a better record than Buffalo, Kent State, and Western Michigan, and that’s a positive. By the end of next weekend EMU may well be 2-0 in MAC play.

No one played a tougher OCC schedule than CMU. It will be interesting to see how,CMU does in conference play. Miami Ohio has a decent team so them beating Buffalo is a mild upset but not an earth shaking one. Kent State is a.500 team. The portal mix continues to be interesting as to how it fits results why.

Toledo played the second most difficult schedule. EMU was third. But no matter how difficult the competition, no MAC team beat any top 50 team.

I just posted on the MAC Men’s BB Message board that EMU has more talented and athletic players than any other MAC team. EMU can succeed if Heath commits to playing small ball and abandon his experimentation playing tall ball. M.Scott, Farrakhan, McBride, Golson, NScott, and Spottsville should lead the way.

In EMU’s four overtime period victory over FIU, EMU shot 55 percent on 2-pointers and held FIU to shooting only 42 percent on two’s, mainly due to NScott playing 48 minutes of the 50 minute game and defending the rim quite well. When EMU played big with Njie, FIU shot over 50 percent on two’s. Njie’s four fouls and two turnovers resulted in FIU points.

(12-30-2021 09:30 AM)emu steve Wrote:  For the hell of it, I posted say 10 days ago on Twitter that I thought infections and hospitalizations were becoming de-coupled.

Maybe 5 of 100 infections a year ago ended up in hospitalization. Now it might be 1 in 100 infections lead to hospitalizations. That is the good news.

And 90% of those are the un-vaccinated

By Memorial Day 2022 the entire living US population will have either been vaccinated without catching covid or had one of the three variants.