AAC bound schools want us to cry and lament their departure. The reality is we were always either dead last or second to last in the the playoffs distribution money. Nothing changes, maybe we even end up in 3rd with some years sneaking into 2nd.

(12-22-2021 08:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  AAC bound schools want us to cry and lament their departure. The reality is we were always either dead last or second to last in the the playoffs distribution money. Nothing changes, maybe we even end up in 3rd with some years sneaking into 2nd.

Ha! No one is asking or expecting anyone to cry over the departure of the new AAC additions. The "article" is just flawed. Look every conference that added or lost programs is getting a mixed bag...

*Sure the SEC got OU and Texas, but over the past one hundred years Texas has killed or wrecked every conference they have ever been in (SWC & Big 12).

*The Big 12 lost their top two programs, and no the four additions don't make up the difference from a perception standpoint, but UCF, Houston, and certainly Cincinnati have fared well in the rankings in recent years. Cincinnati is in the playoffs. Texas and OU can't celebrate that right now.

* The AAC lost their top three programs, and no there are no conbination of programs they could grab to equal what they lost. They took the six new additions because ESPN told them those additions would keep their media deal unchanged, so the AAC keeps their exposure, which is the best among the G5, and they keep earning more money than the other G5 conferences.

* The MWC stuck together but missed an opportunity to poach programs from the AAC when that conference was vulnerable. Had they added SMU and Tulsa (central timezone programs & a top 5 media market) they would probably have been able to renegotiate for more media money.

* The Sun Belt added Marshall. That was a great move, but adding ODU and certainly Southern Miss is a real head scratcher. ODU might develop into something, but WKU is a much better program. Southern Miss is a basket case. Their football is in disarray and their basketball is a dumpster fire. I honestly don't know if USM will ever regain their previous stature among the non power programs. While LA Tech had a down year in football, they would still have been a much better addition than USM. JMU was a good call up.

* The MAC did nothing, but that is what they do. They are a small regional conference and it limits their relevance within the FBS. They totally blew an opportunity to strengthen their conference when they didn't add WKU and MTSU... or LA Tech for that matter.

* C-USA didn't have many options. JMU choose the Sun Belt. Liberty was a good addition, of course they had no other options. Whether or not they are a good fit for C-USA is still to be determined. New Mexico state has solid basketball, but their football is total trash. JSU and SHSU were only invited because no other FBS program would join C-USA. And, the new additions to C-USA don't replace the fact that the programs leaving hold the last 5 football titles and the last 3 conference tournament titles for basketball.

(12-22-2021 08:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  AAC bound schools want us to cry and lament their departure. The reality is we were always either dead last or second to last in the the playoffs distribution money. Nothing changes, maybe we even end up in 3rd with some years sneaking into 2nd.

I don't. Good luck to the new CUSA. I'm just kinda excited to get away from CUSA after this season due to the current TV deal. Having that west champ game vs UAB on ESpN+ was ridiculous along with the CUSA champ game on CBS Sports Net

(12-21-2021 11:29 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  I know the focus on realignment (and this article) was on football, however AAC bball is the biggest loser here not being talked about. I've been tracking the average NET ranking from the current members to the new members for this season and I also did it for the last two complete seasons.

AAC average drop from current members to future members:
21-22 as of 12/17 - drops <39>
20-21 season - drops <24>
19-20 season - drops <46>

Losing Cincy and Houston and then adding in programs that aren't good in bball (except UAB) is a big hit to the AAC. If Memphis and/or Wichita leaves (which I believe will happen in a couple years), then it gets way worse.

And I'm surprised he didn't mention the CUSA basketball side of things. We got rid of some bad basketball programs and only added good ones.

(12-22-2021 10:24 AM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 11:29 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  I know the focus on realignment (and this article) was on football, however AAC bball is the biggest loser here not being talked about. I've been tracking the average NET ranking from the current members to the new members for this season and I also did it for the last two complete seasons.

AAC average drop from current members to future members:
21-22 as of 12/17 - drops <39>
20-21 season - drops <24>
19-20 season - drops <46>

Losing Cincy and Houston and then adding in programs that aren't good in bball (except UAB) is a big hit to the AAC. If Memphis and/or Wichita leaves (which I believe will happen in a couple years), then it gets way worse.

And I'm surprised he didn't mention the CUSA basketball side of things. We got rid of some bad basketball programs and only added good ones.

I copy and pasted this from the NET ranking thread showing NET averages by conference. Below is where I added in several comps based on the future state of conference affiliations (data thru 12.21).
Big East 67
MWC 116
A-10 131 (includes adding Loyola-Chicago AKA Fighting Sister Jeans)
CUSA 147
MVC 160 (includes removal of Loyola-Chicago and adding Belmont)
AAC 165
SBC 200
MAC 205

Lol y’all AAC bound teams keep telling yourselves you’ll be missed. Only thing I’ll miss is UAB and some stability.

(12-22-2021 09:57 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 08:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  AAC bound schools want us to cry and lament their departure. The reality is we were always either dead last or second to last in the the playoffs distribution money. Nothing changes, maybe we even end up in 3rd with some years sneaking into 2nd.

Ha! No one is asking or expecting anyone to cry over the departure of the new AAC additions. The "article" is just flawed. Look every conference that added or lost programs is getting a mixed bag...

*Sure the SEC got OU and Texas, but over the past one hundred years Texas has killed or wrecked every conference they have ever been in (SWC & Big 12).

*The Big 12 lost their top two programs, and no the four additions don't make up the difference from a perception standpoint, but UCF, Houston, and certainly Cincinnati have fared well in the rankings in recent years. Cincinnati is in the playoffs. Texas and OU can't celebrate that right now.

* The AAC lost their top three programs, and no there are no conbination of programs they could grab to equal what they lost. They took the six new additions because ESPN told them those additions would keep their media deal unchanged, so the AAC keeps their exposure, which is the best among the G5, and they keep earning more money than the other G5 conferences.

* The MWC stuck together but missed an opportunity to poach programs from the AAC when that conference was vulnerable. Had they added SMU and Tulsa (central timezone programs & a top 5 media market) they would probably have been able to renegotiate for more media money.

* The Sun Belt added Marshall. That was a great move, but adding ODU and certainly Southern Miss is a real head scratcher. ODU might develop into something, but WKU is a much better program. Southern Miss is a basket case. Their football is in disarray and their basketball is a dumpster fire. I honestly don't know if USM will ever regain their previous stature among the non power programs. While LA Tech had a down year in football, they would still have been a much better addition than USM. JMU was a good call up.

* The MAC did nothing, but that is what they do. They are a small regional conference and it limits their relevance within the FBS. They totally blew an opportunity to strengthen their conference when they didn't add WKU and MTSU... or LA Tech for that matter.

* C-USA didn't have many options. JMU choose the Sun Belt. Liberty was a good addition, of course they had no other options. Whether or not they are a good fit for C-USA is still to be determined. New Mexico state has solid basketball, but their football is total trash. JSU and SHSU were only invited because no other FBS program would join C-USA. And, the new additions to C-USA don't replace the fact that the programs leaving hold the last 5 football titles and the last 3 conference tournament titles for basketball.

Why in the world would Tulsa and SMU give up 7 million a year to take half of that in the MW? With the gamble of maybe the new MW deal ends up the same as they were making in the AAC. Trust me adding two small privates wouldn't have doubled the MW deal.

We're not losing any Access bowl teams. Congrats on winning CUSA, but in reality it's not that great of an accomplishment. Keep padding yourself in the back.

(12-21-2021 04:42 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Interesting article on Bleacher.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/a...t.amp.html

Read it.
GARBAGE!

All I am going to say is that, as a UAB fan, it is nice to see everyone saying they will miss us. Oh, and everyone at the AAC saying they are excited for us. It’s been a bumpy ride as a UAB fan but knowing we are one of the premier G5 athletic departments and a school that people want to be conference mates with is nice. (Just don’t look at our non-revenue sports ?)

(12-22-2021 11:41 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Lol y’all AAC bound teams keep telling yourselves you’ll be missed. Only thing I’ll miss is UAB and some stability.

Everyone brought something to the table in their own way (some more than others), however at the end of the day the only programs I'll miss is Marshall and UAB out of the ones that are leaving.

(12-22-2021 11:55 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 11:41 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Lol y’all AAC bound teams keep telling yourselves you’ll be missed. Only thing I’ll miss is UAB and some stability.

Everyone brought something to the table in their own way (some more than others), however at the end of the day the only programs I'll miss is Marshall and UAB out of the ones that are leaving.

Same here. USM for the games but for the actual programs just UAB and Marshall. If I were the AAC I would've taken just 4 and it would've been UAB, Marshall, WKU, and Tech.

(12-22-2021 09:57 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 08:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  AAC bound schools want us to cry and lament their departure. The reality is we were always either dead last or second to last in the the playoffs distribution money. Nothing changes, maybe we even end up in 3rd with some years sneaking into 2nd.

Ha! No one is asking or expecting anyone to cry over the departure of the new AAC additions. The "article" is just flawed. Look every conference that added or lost programs is getting a mixed bag...

*Sure the SEC got OU and Texas, but over the past one hundred years Texas has killed or wrecked every conference they have ever been in (SWC & Big 12).

*The Big 12 lost their top two programs, and no the four additions don't make up the difference from a perception standpoint, but UCF, Houston, and certainly Cincinnati have fared well in the rankings in recent years. Cincinnati is in the playoffs. Texas and OU can't celebrate that right now.

* The AAC lost their top three programs, and no there are no conbination of programs they could grab to equal what they lost. They took the six new additions because ESPN told them those additions would keep their media deal unchanged, so the AAC keeps their exposure, which is the best among the G5, and they keep earning more money than the other G5 conferences.

* The MWC stuck together but missed an opportunity to poach programs from the AAC when that conference was vulnerable. Had they added SMU and Tulsa (central timezone programs & a top 5 media market) they would probably have been able to renegotiate for more media money.

* The Sun Belt added Marshall. That was a great move, but adding ODU and certainly Southern Miss is a real head scratcher. ODU might develop into something, but WKU is a much better program. Southern Miss is a basket case. Their football is in disarray and their basketball is a dumpster fire. I honestly don't know if USM will ever regain their previous stature among the non power programs. While LA Tech had a down year in football, they would still have been a much better addition than USM. JMU was a good call up.

* The MAC did nothing, but that is what they do. They are a small regional conference and it limits their relevance within the FBS. They totally blew an opportunity to strengthen their conference when they didn't add WKU and MTSU... or LA Tech for that matter.

* C-USA didn't have many options. JMU choose the Sun Belt. Liberty was a good addition, of course they had no other options. Whether or not they are a good fit for C-USA is still to be determined. New Mexico state has solid basketball, but their football is total trash. JSU and SHSU were only invited because no other FBS program would join C-USA. And, the new additions to C-USA don't replace the fact that the programs leaving hold the last 5 football titles and the last 3 conference tournament titles for basketball.

Would rather be in a league with Liberty and Sam than anyone going to the SBC. JMU would be the only one on my wish list.

(12-22-2021 09:57 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 08:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  AAC bound schools want us to cry and lament their departure. The reality is we were always either dead last or second to last in the the playoffs distribution money. Nothing changes, maybe we even end up in 3rd with some years sneaking into 2nd.

Ha! No one is asking or expecting anyone to cry over the departure of the new AAC additions. The "article" is just flawed. Look every conference that added or lost programs is getting a mixed bag...

*Sure the SEC got OU and Texas, but over the past one hundred years Texas has killed or wrecked every conference they have ever been in (SWC & Big 12).

*The Big 12 lost their top two programs, and no the four additions don't make up the difference from a perception standpoint, but UCF, Houston, and certainly Cincinnati have fared well in the rankings in recent years. Cincinnati is in the playoffs. Texas and OU can't celebrate that right now.

* The AAC lost their top three programs, and no there are no conbination of programs they could grab to equal what they lost. They took the six new additions because ESPN told them those additions would keep their media deal unchanged, so the AAC keeps their exposure, which is the best among the G5, and they keep earning more money than the other G5 conferences.

* The MWC stuck together but missed an opportunity to poach programs from the AAC when that conference was vulnerable. Had they added SMU and Tulsa (central timezone programs & a top 5 media market) they would probably have been able to renegotiate for more media money.

* The Sun Belt added Marshall. That was a great move, but adding ODU and certainly Southern Miss is a real head scratcher. ODU might develop into something, but WKU is a much better program. Southern Miss is a basket case. Their football is in disarray and their basketball is a dumpster fire. I honestly don't know if USM will ever regain their previous stature among the non power programs. While LA Tech had a down year in football, they would still have been a much better addition than USM. JMU was a good call up.

* The MAC did nothing, but that is what they do. They are a small regional conference and it limits their relevance within the FBS. They totally blew an opportunity to strengthen their conference when they didn't add WKU and MTSU... or LA Tech for that matter.

* C-USA didn't have many options. JMU choose the Sun Belt. Liberty was a good addition, of course they had no other options. Whether or not they are a good fit for C-USA is still to be determined. New Mexico state has solid basketball, but their football is total trash. JSU and SHSU were only invited because no other FBS program would join C-USA. And, the new additions to C-USA don't replace the fact that the programs leaving hold the last 5 football titles and the last 3 conference tournament titles for basketball.

How's replacing Littrell going?

Have you heard? The school in Denton has the fourth largest in the state!

(12-22-2021 11:48 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:57 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 08:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  AAC bound schools want us to cry and lament their departure. The reality is we were always either dead last or second to last in the the playoffs distribution money. Nothing changes, maybe we even end up in 3rd with some years sneaking into 2nd.

Ha! No one is asking or expecting anyone to cry over the departure of the new AAC additions. The "article" is just flawed. Look every conference that added or lost programs is getting a mixed bag...

*Sure the SEC got OU and Texas, but over the past one hundred years Texas has killed or wrecked every conference they have ever been in (SWC & Big 12).

*The Big 12 lost their top two programs, and no the four additions don't make up the difference from a perception standpoint, but UCF, Houston, and certainly Cincinnati have fared well in the rankings in recent years. Cincinnati is in the playoffs. Texas and OU can't celebrate that right now.

* The AAC lost their top three programs, and no there are no conbination of programs they could grab to equal what they lost. They took the six new additions because ESPN told them those additions would keep their media deal unchanged, so the AAC keeps their exposure, which is the best among the G5, and they keep earning more money than the other G5 conferences.

* The MWC stuck together but missed an opportunity to poach programs from the AAC when that conference was vulnerable. Had they added SMU and Tulsa (central timezone programs & a top 5 media market) they would probably have been able to renegotiate for more media money.

* The Sun Belt added Marshall. That was a great move, but adding ODU and certainly Southern Miss is a real head scratcher. ODU might develop into something, but WKU is a much better program. Southern Miss is a basket case. Their football is in disarray and their basketball is a dumpster fire. I honestly don't know if USM will ever regain their previous stature among the non power programs. While LA Tech had a down year in football, they would still have been a much better addition than USM. JMU was a good call up.

* The MAC did nothing, but that is what they do. They are a small regional conference and it limits their relevance within the FBS. They totally blew an opportunity to strengthen their conference when they didn't add WKU and MTSU... or LA Tech for that matter.

* C-USA didn't have many options. JMU choose the Sun Belt. Liberty was a good addition, of course they had no other options. Whether or not they are a good fit for C-USA is still to be determined. New Mexico state has solid basketball, but their football is total trash. JSU and SHSU were only invited because no other FBS program would join C-USA. And, the new additions to C-USA don't replace the fact that the programs leaving hold the last 5 football titles and the last 3 conference tournament titles for basketball.

Why in the world would Tulsa and SMU give up 7 million a year to take half of that in the MW? With the gamble of maybe the new MW deal ends up the same as they were making in the AAC. Trust me adding two small privates wouldn't have doubled the MW deal.

We're not losing any Access bowl teams. Congrats on winning CUSA, but in reality it's not that great of an accomplishment. Keep padding yourself in the back.

I just posted the facts and my observations about every conference. Maybe the MWC couldn't get enough money to lure any of the AAC programs. I'm not sure they even tried.

I'm not claiming superiority or posting AAC banners in my sig, so I'm not sure why you're agitated.

(12-22-2021 03:20 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:57 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 08:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  AAC bound schools want us to cry and lament their departure. The reality is we were always either dead last or second to last in the the playoffs distribution money. Nothing changes, maybe we even end up in 3rd with some years sneaking into 2nd.

Ha! No one is asking or expecting anyone to cry over the departure of the new AAC additions. The "article" is just flawed. Look every conference that added or lost programs is getting a mixed bag...

*Sure the SEC got OU and Texas, but over the past one hundred years Texas has killed or wrecked every conference they have ever been in (SWC & Big 12).

*The Big 12 lost their top two programs, and no the four additions don't make up the difference from a perception standpoint, but UCF, Houston, and certainly Cincinnati have fared well in the rankings in recent years. Cincinnati is in the playoffs. Texas and OU can't celebrate that right now.

* The AAC lost their top three programs, and no there are no conbination of programs they could grab to equal what they lost. They took the six new additions because ESPN told them those additions would keep their media deal unchanged, so the AAC keeps their exposure, which is the best among the G5, and they keep earning more money than the other G5 conferences.

* The MWC stuck together but missed an opportunity to poach programs from the AAC when that conference was vulnerable. Had they added SMU and Tulsa (central timezone programs & a top 5 media market) they would probably have been able to renegotiate for more media money.

* The Sun Belt added Marshall. That was a great move, but adding ODU and certainly Southern Miss is a real head scratcher. ODU might develop into something, but WKU is a much better program. Southern Miss is a basket case. Their football is in disarray and their basketball is a dumpster fire. I honestly don't know if USM will ever regain their previous stature among the non power programs. While LA Tech had a down year in football, they would still have been a much better addition than USM. JMU was a good call up.

* The MAC did nothing, but that is what they do. They are a small regional conference and it limits their relevance within the FBS. They totally blew an opportunity to strengthen their conference when they didn't add WKU and MTSU... or LA Tech for that matter.

* C-USA didn't have many options. JMU choose the Sun Belt. Liberty was a good addition, of course they had no other options. Whether or not they are a good fit for C-USA is still to be determined. New Mexico state has solid basketball, but their football is total trash. JSU and SHSU were only invited because no other FBS program would join C-USA. And, the new additions to C-USA don't replace the fact that the programs leaving hold the last 5 football titles and the last 3 conference tournament titles for basketball.

How's replacing Littrell going?

I'm wondering myself. A faction of our fan base want him back. It's very sad that they can't see the truth. I'm hoping the AD is smart enough to get us the right coach after our bowl game.

For the record, JSU no matter how attractive was not going to invited to the SBC. Two Alabama teams were enough and there was no desire for another. Why UTC, EKU, JMU and CCU were on there list last time and JSU wasnt even and afterthought. Had zero to do with being prepared just location. CUSA would not have offered JSU this time if UAB were staying.

JMU was attractive to both because of their location and being a good program. EKU wasnt attractive because WKU is staying in CUSA. Sam has never been vocal about FBS and more than likely was pursued. SBC didnt pursue them because App wanted East teams or they would flee to CUSA. App won the SBC power battle and you have three East team and one more western team in USM. The quality of the programs have a small degree in who is invited to conferences.

All members of every conference not named SEC, Big Ten and maybe ACC are looking for a step up and would leave for a better deal tomorrow. What makes one conference a better deal to one school may be a negative to another. I see the CUSA as a conference who will grow and has few weak programs but geographically challenged. I see the SBC as the MAC of the Southeast, content with their place in sports. AAC is a hodgepodge of schools not sure of their place, are we here for market, sports, academics or hoping for a P5 invite.

(12-22-2021 09:37 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  For the record, JSU no matter how attractive was not going to invited to the SBC. Two Alabama teams were enough and there was no desire for another. Why UTC, EKU, JMU and CCU were on there list last time and JSU wasnt even and afterthought. Had zero to do with being prepared just location. CUSA would not have offered JSU this time if UAB were staying.

JMU was attractive to both because of their location and being a good program. EKU wasnt attractive because WKU is staying in CUSA. Sam has never been vocal about FBS and more than likely was pursued. SBC didnt pursue them because App wanted East teams or they would flee to CUSA. App won the SBC power battle and you have three East team and one more western team in USM. The quality of the programs have a small degree in who is invited to conferences.

All members of every conference not named SEC, Big Ten and maybe ACC are looking for a step up and would leave for a better deal tomorrow. What makes one conference a better deal to one school may be a negative to another. I see the CUSA as a conference who will grow and has few weak programs but geographically challenged. I see the SBC as the MAC of the Southeast, content with their place in sports. AAC is a hodgepodge of schools not sure of their place, are we here for market, sports, academics or hoping for a P5 invite.

Nope. It's all about the money and the exposure. Every program is looking for a conference that pays more money with better TV exposure. That's why the Sun Belt was able to poach from C-USA. And, after this last round of realignment the pecking order has not changed.

G5 Conference Media Deals (to the best of my knowledge)
American: $7 million (remaining members) $3.5 million (new additions) ABC, ESPN Networks, & ESPN +/3
MWC: $4 million (Boise's special deal earns them more) CBS, Fox Sports 1, CBS Sports, and Facebook
MAC: $833,000 ESPN Networks & ESPN +/3
Sun Belt: $500,000 ESPN Networks & ESPN +/3
C-USA: $400,000 CBS Sports Network, Stadium, Facebook, & ESPN+/3

I guess your telling us North TX would turn down an invite to the Ivy League since their media deal isnt good?
May want to do a little more research if you believe UNT would be headed to the AAC if the Ivy called.

(12-22-2021 11:07 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  I guess your telling us North TX would turn down an invite to the Ivy League since their media deal isnt good?
May want to do a little more research if you believe UNT would be headed to the AAC if the Ivy called.

If the Ivy League wanted to expand and be a national conference, Rice would get the call, not UNT. While UNT has been a Carnegie Tier 1 research university for years now, we are not an AAU member. The AAC currently has the best media deal among the G5 and I'm happy about moving there.