RULES

-- All 10 conference champions get bid
-- Next 14 highest ranked schools get bid (used CFP poll/AP for rest)
-- Highest 8 seeds get first round bye
-- Seeds 9-24 begin First round action at higher seed's home field on 2nd week of December
-- Sweet 16 would play on 3rd week at higher seed's home field
-- Elite 8 would be New Year's Day. This would begin use of "CFP" bowls
-- Final 4 next week at 2 other "CFP" bowls
-- National Championship next week at a "CFP" bowl


FIRST-ROUND

#24 NORTHERN ILLINOIS at #9 OKLAHOMA STATE
#23 UTAH STATE at #10 MICHIGAN STATE
#22 UTSA at #11 UTAH
#21 LOUISIANA at #12 PITTSBURGH
#20 HOUSTON at #13 BYU
#19 CLEMSON at #14 OREGON
#18 NC STATE at #15 IOWA
#17 WAKE FOREST at #16 OKLAHOMA


SWEET 16
(Wake Forest/Okloahoma winner) at #1 ALABAMA
(NC State/Iowa winner) at #2 MICHIGAN
(Clemson/Oregon winner) at #3 GEORGIA
(Houston/BYU winner) at #4 CINCINNATI
(Louisiana/Pitt winner) at #5 NOTRE DAME
(UTSA/Utah winner) at #6 OHIO STATE
(Utah St/Michigan St winner) at #7 BAYLOR
(NIU/Oklahoma St winner) at #8 OLE MISS


ELITE 8
Cotton/Fiesta/Peach/Citrus

FINAL 4
Rose/Orange

CHAMPIONSHIP
Sugar

You thought long and hard on that one huh

So FCS playoffs but for FBS, let's do it. Unfortunately they won't do it but hey we can dream.

(12-21-2021 04:25 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  So FCS playoffs but for FBS, let's do it. Unfortunately they won't do it but hey we can dream.

There’s a good Mike Leach quote about this. Basically said Pee Wee, High School, Big State’s High School, JuCo/DIII/DII/FCS, and the NFL can all figure it out. Why can’t FBS?

(12-21-2021 03:43 PM)gdunn Wrote:  You thought long and hard on that one huh

I have been doing this since the BCS started. It is the alternate reality that could exist. This playoff is modeled after the basketball tourney in percentage of schools included versus total eligible schools. It is tweaked in areas like home field advantage and byes that would be needed for the sport of football and to entice the P5 to go along.

I believed back then, as I do know, that this will eventually be the playoff. Every year, we get a little closer.

Somewhere in the multiverse, this is happening as we speak. I hope it's not the universe where I'm Spider-Man, because I want to have time to watch as many of the games as I can.

I’m all for a deserving G5 team getting a fair chance at the playoffs, but no. The playoffs should be about getting the best teams are involved, not about making sure everyone is equally represented. The best MAC or CUSA team isn’t likely to stay within 14 points of the 4th-5th best SEC team. And this is not meant as an offense (SERIOUSLY, not trying to start an argument), but ULL got beat down by the 5th or 6th best Big 12 team. If you had an 8 team playoff with the 8 BEST teams, Cincy would be the only deserving G5 team.

The P5 will never give up their rent-a-victim games and go to an 11 game regular season to allow for something like this but it’s a fun exercise. I think round 1 would be a lot like the round of 64 in basketball—people watch hoping for an upset by a school they never cared about before that game.

Problem for FBS is length of season. In this scenario you have the possibility of the champion playing 18 games. Right now the max is 15 games. So somewhere you got to lose a couple games, either regular season or CCG. Ultimately the CCG needs to become part of the playoffs. You lose that, you’re out. Conferences also need to put best 2 teams in the game, no more divisions. Take top 8 conference champs, the end. Max 15 games, no one gets in without having to play that extra game, sorry ND, find a home already.

(12-21-2021 07:14 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Somewhere in the multiverse, this is happening as we speak. I hope it's not the universe where I'm Spider-Man, because I want to have time to watch as many of the games as I can.

Maybe you're the Sorcerer Supreme and you can watch all these games... at once.

(12-22-2021 09:25 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Problem for FBS is length of season. In this scenario you have the possibility of the champion playing 18 games. Right now the max is 15 games. So somewhere you got to lose a couple games, either regular season or CCG. Ultimately the CCG needs to become part of the playoffs. You lose that, you’re out. Conferences also need to put best 2 teams in the game, no more divisions. Take top 8 conference champs, the end. Max 15 games, no one gets in without having to play that extra game, sorry ND, find a home already.

Under this model, assuming all favorites win, 8 schools would play 1 more game than they do now, and 8 schools would play 2 more games than they do now.

If it’s OK for Bama, Georgia and 2 FCS schools to play 15 right now, why is it wrong for 8 or so more schools to play 15?

(12-21-2021 09:21 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  I’m all for a deserving G5 team getting a fair chance at the playoffs, but no. The playoffs should be about getting the best teams are involved, not about making sure everyone is equally represented. The best MAC or CUSA team isn’t likely to stay within 14 points of the 4th-5th best SEC team. And this is not meant as an offense (SERIOUSLY, not trying to start an argument), but ULL got beat down by the 5th or 6th best Big 12 team. If you had an 8 team playoff with the 8 BEST teams, Cincy would be the only deserving G5 team.

Recruiting changes the instant everyone actually has a seat at the table. under this model you can actually earn your seat at the table. you are looking at it under current setup where really only 10-12 teams actually have a seat, those teams just stack talent bc they own the seats.

(12-22-2021 11:24 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:21 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  I’m all for a deserving G5 team getting a fair chance at the playoffs, but no. The playoffs should be about getting the best teams are involved, not about making sure everyone is equally represented. The best MAC or CUSA team isn’t likely to stay within 14 points of the 4th-5th best SEC team. And this is not meant as an offense (SERIOUSLY, not trying to start an argument), but ULL got beat down by the 5th or 6th best Big 12 team. If you had an 8 team playoff with the 8 BEST teams, Cincy would be the only deserving G5 team.

Recruiting changes the instant everyone actually has a seat at the table. under this model you can actually earn your seat at the table. you are looking at it under current setup where really only 10-12 teams actually have a seat, those teams just stack talent bc they own the seats.

This is the elephant in the room that NO media covers. If every conference has a seat at the table, top tier G-5 schools will dominate recruiting over the Kentuckys, Purdues, Texas Techs, Pitts and Arizona States; simply because Louisiana or UAB or NIU or SDSU or WKU has a better shot at the playoffs than any of those teams. A LOT of high second tier talent will be signing with G-5 programs.

(12-22-2021 11:24 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:21 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  I’m all for a deserving G5 team getting a fair chance at the playoffs, but no. The playoffs should be about getting the best teams are involved, not about making sure everyone is equally represented. The best MAC or CUSA team isn’t likely to stay within 14 points of the 4th-5th best SEC team. And this is not meant as an offense (SERIOUSLY, not trying to start an argument), but ULL got beat down by the 5th or 6th best Big 12 team. If you had an 8 team playoff with the 8 BEST teams, Cincy would be the only deserving G5 team.

Recruiting changes the instant everyone actually has a seat at the table. under this model you can actually earn your seat at the table. you are looking at it under current setup where really only 10-12 teams actually have a seat, those teams just stack talent bc they own the seats.

I feel like first you should EARN a seat at the table before you GET a seat at the table. If CCU, ULL, or App want a seat, then they should schedule P5 powerhouses for their OOC games. Then if you win out, you’ve got 4 top notch OOC wins in addition to the 2-3 quality wins in conference. Then you’ve earned a seat. Saying recruiting would instantly improve, you mean across the board? Would the non-competitors suddenly become quality opponents? In the SEC, aside from Vandy, at least all the other teams are TRYING to compete. In the SBC and the other G5, you’ve got a few teams in each conference where I don’t even see where they’re putting in much effort to compete.

(12-23-2021 01:42 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 11:24 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:21 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  I’m all for a deserving G5 team getting a fair chance at the playoffs, but no. The playoffs should be about getting the best teams are involved, not about making sure everyone is equally represented. The best MAC or CUSA team isn’t likely to stay within 14 points of the 4th-5th best SEC team. And this is not meant as an offense (SERIOUSLY, not trying to start an argument), but ULL got beat down by the 5th or 6th best Big 12 team. If you had an 8 team playoff with the 8 BEST teams, Cincy would be the only deserving G5 team.

Recruiting changes the instant everyone actually has a seat at the table. under this model you can actually earn your seat at the table. you are looking at it under current setup where really only 10-12 teams actually have a seat, those teams just stack talent bc they own the seats.

I feel like first you should EARN a seat at the table before you GET a seat at the table. If CCU, ULL, or App want a seat, then they should schedule P5 powerhouses for their OOC games. Then if you win out, you’ve got 4 top notch OOC wins in addition to the 2-3 quality wins in conference. Then you’ve earned a seat. Saying recruiting would instantly improve, you mean across the board? Would the non-competitors suddenly become quality opponents? In the SEC, aside from Vandy, at least all the other teams are TRYING to compete. In the SBC and the other G5, you’ve got a few teams in each conference where I don’t even see where they’re putting in much effort to compete.

There are only a select few that can say “come here and we will win a national title” Half the p5 can’t say that with a straight face. If being a conference champion punches your ticket, then yes you have earned your seat at the table and you get the chance to go prove it. It’s currently a popularity contested judged by people in a Club that hardly anyone is in. Scheduling is a 2 way street and they hardly ever play on the road. Your baseball team is a perfect example why everyone should have a chance to play their way in.

(12-23-2021 01:42 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 11:24 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:21 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  I’m all for a deserving G5 team getting a fair chance at the playoffs, but no. The playoffs should be about getting the best teams are involved, not about making sure everyone is equally represented. The best MAC or CUSA team isn’t likely to stay within 14 points of the 4th-5th best SEC team. And this is not meant as an offense (SERIOUSLY, not trying to start an argument), but ULL got beat down by the 5th or 6th best Big 12 team. If you had an 8 team playoff with the 8 BEST teams, Cincy would be the only deserving G5 team.

Recruiting changes the instant everyone actually has a seat at the table. under this model you can actually earn your seat at the table. you are looking at it under current setup where really only 10-12 teams actually have a seat, those teams just stack talent bc they own the seats.

I feel like first you should EARN a seat at the table before you GET a seat at the table. If CCU, ULL, or App want a seat, then they should schedule P5 powerhouses for their OOC games. Then if you win out, you’ve got 4 top notch OOC wins in addition to the 2-3 quality wins in conference. Then you’ve earned a seat. Saying recruiting would instantly improve, you mean across the board? Would the non-competitors suddenly become quality opponents? In the SEC, aside from Vandy, at least all the other teams are TRYING to compete. In the SBC and the other G5, you’ve got a few teams in each conference where I don’t even see where they’re putting in much effort to compete.

Recruiting would improve for anyone that can say that they have a solid shot at the playoffs. It would hurt the Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, etc. types that will never be able to say that but would then lose more recruits to the App, Coastal, UL, JMU types that suddenly could say that. Right now Cignetti can go "yeah you have an offer from UVA/Duke/etc and they're P5 sure, but you're never gonna compete for any kind of championship there. Come to JMU and compete for the Sun Belt championship on a team that can beat that kind of P5." Expand the playoffs, especially this much, and now he can also say compete for a spot in the playoffs.

It would further separate the good from the bad across the board imo. Good P5's would pull further away from bad P5's, good G5's would leap(or pull away from) the bad P5's, good G5's would pull further away from bad G5's. Good G5's would also get closer to the good P5's, they're already getting the very best so they likely wouldn't see much improvement. That's why it won't happen, it won't really help the good P5's and it'll hurt the bad P5's while helping the G5 a ton.

(12-23-2021 04:06 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 01:42 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 11:24 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:21 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  I’m all for a deserving G5 team getting a fair chance at the playoffs, but no. The playoffs should be about getting the best teams are involved, not about making sure everyone is equally represented. The best MAC or CUSA team isn’t likely to stay within 14 points of the 4th-5th best SEC team. And this is not meant as an offense (SERIOUSLY, not trying to start an argument), but ULL got beat down by the 5th or 6th best Big 12 team. If you had an 8 team playoff with the 8 BEST teams, Cincy would be the only deserving G5 team.

Recruiting changes the instant everyone actually has a seat at the table. under this model you can actually earn your seat at the table. you are looking at it under current setup where really only 10-12 teams actually have a seat, those teams just stack talent bc they own the seats.

I feel like first you should EARN a seat at the table before you GET a seat at the table. If CCU, ULL, or App want a seat, then they should schedule P5 powerhouses for their OOC games. Then if you win out, you’ve got 4 top notch OOC wins in addition to the 2-3 quality wins in conference. Then you’ve earned a seat. Saying recruiting would instantly improve, you mean across the board? Would the non-competitors suddenly become quality opponents? In the SEC, aside from Vandy, at least all the other teams are TRYING to compete. In the SBC and the other G5, you’ve got a few teams in each conference where I don’t even see where they’re putting in much effort to compete.

There are only a select few that can say “come here and we will win a national title” Half the p5 can’t say that with a straight face. If being a conference champion punches your ticket, then yes you have earned your seat at the table and you get the chance to go prove it. It’s currently a popularity contested judged by people in a Club that hardly anyone is in. Scheduling is a 2 way street and they hardly ever play on the road. Your baseball team is a perfect example why everyone should have a chance to play their way in.

So winning a G5 conference is earning a seat in the CFP? I don’t agree. Who is the 4th-5th best SEC team, Ole Miss? Aside from Cincy, do you really think any G5 team would stand a chance against them? How about if any G5 team played anything remotely like Ole Miss’ schedule? I think it’s a pipe dream to believe a G5 school would start pulling 4 and 5 star recruits. Teams like a Kentucky, Missouri, etc have a lot more going for them than yore giving them credit for… for one thing, they get- and have a looong history- of getting National exposure for playing the likes of Alabama, Georgia, Florida, etc on a weekly basis. Secondly, those schools generally have a lot more money than the G5 schools because in most cases, they’re the flagship schools of their states. And they play in venues that are a lot bigger than G5 venues. All those things matter to recruits as much or more than where they may play n the postseason.

I think it’s a dream t think that any G5 school is going to compete with the P5 schools in a little np term basis. I would MUCH prefer to have a 6-8 team G5 playoff to determine who is the best G5 team.

(12-23-2021 06:07 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 04:06 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 01:42 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 11:24 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:21 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  I’m all for a deserving G5 team getting a fair chance at the playoffs, but no. The playoffs should be about getting the best teams are involved, not about making sure everyone is equally represented. The best MAC or CUSA team isn’t likely to stay within 14 points of the 4th-5th best SEC team. And this is not meant as an offense (SERIOUSLY, not trying to start an argument), but ULL got beat down by the 5th or 6th best Big 12 team. If you had an 8 team playoff with the 8 BEST teams, Cincy would be the only deserving G5 team.

Recruiting changes the instant everyone actually has a seat at the table. under this model you can actually earn your seat at the table. you are looking at it under current setup where really only 10-12 teams actually have a seat, those teams just stack talent bc they own the seats.

I feel like first you should EARN a seat at the table before you GET a seat at the table. If CCU, ULL, or App want a seat, then they should schedule P5 powerhouses for their OOC games. Then if you win out, you’ve got 4 top notch OOC wins in addition to the 2-3 quality wins in conference. Then you’ve earned a seat. Saying recruiting would instantly improve, you mean across the board? Would the non-competitors suddenly become quality opponents? In the SEC, aside from Vandy, at least all the other teams are TRYING to compete. In the SBC and the other G5, you’ve got a few teams in each conference where I don’t even see where they’re putting in much effort to compete.

There are only a select few that can say “come here and we will win a national title” Half the p5 can’t say that with a straight face. If being a conference champion punches your ticket, then yes you have earned your seat at the table and you get the chance to go prove it. It’s currently a popularity contested judged by people in a Club that hardly anyone is in. Scheduling is a 2 way street and they hardly ever play on the road. Your baseball team is a perfect example why everyone should have a chance to play their way in.

So winning a G5 conference is earning a seat in the CFP? I don’t agree. Who is the 4th-5th best SEC team, Ole Miss? Aside from Cincy, do you really think any G5 team would stand a chance against them? How about if any G5 team played anything remotely like Ole Miss’ schedule? I think it’s a pipe dream to believe a G5 school would start pulling 4 and 5 star recruits. Teams like a Kentucky, Missouri, etc have a lot more going for them than yore giving them credit for… for one thing, they get- and have a looong history- of getting National exposure for playing the likes of Alabama, Georgia, Florida, etc on a weekly basis. Secondly, those schools generally have a lot more money than the G5 schools because in most cases, they’re the flagship schools of their states. And they play in venues that are a lot bigger than G5 venues. All those things matter to recruits as much or more than where they may play n the postseason.

I think it’s a dream t think that any G5 school is going to compete with the P5 schools in a little np term basis. I would MUCH prefer to have a 6-8 team G5 playoff to determine who is the best G5 team.

You can’t get past looking at the current setup. If every league champion had a seat, it would all change and that’s why the teams at the top won’t let it happen. It’s the only sport setup this way. If the champion gets a seat, teams like UL, App state and CCU have a better chance at a national title than half the sec does ...certainly better than Kentucky and Missouri