(01-29-2022 11:22 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i don't understand the promblem with hybrids.
Conn n UMASS add lot of eyeballs to they conf,
they both have thier own TV contracts,
and you can play CCG. NCAA hands out waviers like candy.

They're both terrible at football and far away from all the other teams, for two things.

That's important now?

I still maintain that the current CUSA travel isn't that bad.

But if you want me to make the case for inviting Louisiana Tech in 2004 rather than UTEP, I'd be happy to.

UConn and UMass to the new 9 team CUSA would be awful. I've yet to see a convincing argument to add anyone else, but the more compelling ones would involve bringing in good programs or helping with travel or providing insurance against further realignment. UConn and Umass don't help with ANY of that.

The only football affiliates in FBS are Hawaii and Navy, both of which are special cases. Neither of the NE schools add much in way of a football only membership. I could live with UMASS as a full member, but I’d rather not have them. UCONN isn’t giving up its Big East deal, so that’s a non-starter.

(01-30-2022 03:44 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-29-2022 11:22 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i don't understand the promblem with hybrids.
Conn n UMASS add lot of eyeballs to they conf,
they both have thier own TV contracts,
and you can play CCG. NCAA hands out waviers like candy.

They're both terrible at football and far away from all the other teams, for two things.

That's important now?

I still maintain that the current CUSA travel isn't that bad.

But if you want me to make the case for inviting Louisiana Tech in 2004 rather than UTEP, I'd be happy to.

UConn and UMass to the new 9 team CUSA would be awful. I've yet to see a convincing argument to add anyone else, but the more compelling ones would involve bringing in good programs or helping with travel or providing insurance against further realignment. UConn and Umass don't help with ANY of that.

Marshall to UTEP is farther than LaTech to UMASS.

The only thing you get with UMASS and UCONN are the name recognition from basketball and honestly UMASS basketball isn't what it used to be.

UMASS’ best years were under Calipari, but seeing as how they had to vacate a Final Four, it says how they got so good.

The two of them should probably drop down to FCS. UCONN’s best hope is Notre Dame football joins the ACC and they need a 16th member.

With 24 possible games every year vanishing with the three Indys joining a conference, it will be harder for them to fill a schedule.

(01-31-2022 09:54 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-30-2022 03:44 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-29-2022 11:22 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i don't understand the promblem with hybrids.
Conn n UMASS add lot of eyeballs to they conf,
they both have thier own TV contracts,
and you can play CCG. NCAA hands out waviers like candy.

They're both terrible at football and far away from all the other teams, for two things.

That's important now?

I still maintain that the current CUSA travel isn't that bad.

But if you want me to make the case for inviting Louisiana Tech in 2004 rather than UTEP, I'd be happy to.

UConn and UMass to the new 9 team CUSA would be awful. I've yet to see a convincing argument to add anyone else, but the more compelling ones would involve bringing in good programs or helping with travel or providing insurance against further realignment. UConn and Umass don't help with ANY of that.

Marshall to UTEP is farther than LaTech to UMASS.

The only thing you get with UMASS and UCONN are the name recognition from basketball and honestly UMASS basketball isn't what it used to be.

If we were adding 5 more schools and we only had to play them on the road once every 8 years, then the "only" problem(s) I'd have would be who they are and how good they aren't. As it is, it's that plus the distance.

And while y'all didn't have a vote in 2004, I'd be happy to agree with you that Tech should have been invited instead of UTEP at that time.

(01-31-2022 05:47 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-31-2022 09:54 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-30-2022 03:44 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-29-2022 11:22 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:23 AM)inutech Wrote:  They're both terrible at football and far away from all the other teams, for two things.

That's important now?

I still maintain that the current CUSA travel isn't that bad.

But if you want me to make the case for inviting Louisiana Tech in 2004 rather than UTEP, I'd be happy to.

UConn and UMass to the new 9 team CUSA would be awful. I've yet to see a convincing argument to add anyone else, but the more compelling ones would involve bringing in good programs or helping with travel or providing insurance against further realignment. UConn and Umass don't help with ANY of that.

Marshall to UTEP is farther than LaTech to UMASS.

The only thing you get with UMASS and UCONN are the name recognition from basketball and honestly UMASS basketball isn't what it used to be.

If we were adding 5 more schools and we only had to play them on the road once every 8 years, then the "only" problem(s) I'd have would be who they are and how good they aren't. As it is, it's that plus the distance.

And while y'all didn't have a vote in 2004, I'd be happy to agree with you that Tech should have been invited instead of UTEP at that time.

Agreed

In this week's edition of Ask the AD, the NMSU AD, Mario Moccia, spoke about CUSA meetings that took place last week. He addresses moving to 10 teams or staying at 9. Check out the 19:27 mark.

https://art19.com/shows/nm-state-athleti...94f969907d

(02-02-2022 03:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  In this week's edition of Ask the AD, the NMSU AD, Mario Moccia, spoke about CUSA meetings that took place last week. He addresses moving to 10 teams or staying at 9. Check out the 19:27 mark.

https://art19.com/shows/nm-state-athleti...94f969907d

Interesting that he brought up about asking future potential media partners about if they should go to 10 or stay at 9. IMO, that tells me ESPN, considering they've been a big part of all this conference realignment.

There was a great deal telling in that interview that transcribed in the Future Media Rights thread. It sounds like they do have specific targets for that potential tenth spot. It also doesn't sound like 12 is on the table.

(01-27-2022 05:32 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Also we STILL do not have any resolution of many factors:

-- NCAA Div.I level SPECIFIC constitutional changes-- especially P5 vs G5 alterations

-- CFP monies and distribution amount changes

-- C-USA media deal which could influence decisions

If/when C-USA adds one member it is likely from the West or Central regions.

We still have a long way to go--- so I think these recent rumors of an add this spring are extremely UNLIKELY.

It has been two weeks and none of the above has changed. Other than a brief reference by one AD of possible targets for a possible tenth member. Of course he gave no specifics.

IMO they will add a tenth member (all sports or FB only) IF the media deal is favorable.

NDSU President search will be decided in 1 month.
NDSU odds on favorite is a Kansas U guy.... he knows the CUSA area.
NDSU could be that Football-Only add to your conference.

(02-11-2022 01:01 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU President search will be decided in 1 month.
NDSU odds on favorite is a Kansas U guy.... he knows the CUSA area.
NDSU could be that Football-Only add to your conference.

Intriguing as that would be, it doesn't answer the biggest question:

What would be gained from CUSA moving to 10 teams?

A football-only member would only make sense in the following limited cases:

1) You have 11 teams and want 12 in order to play in two balanced divisions.

2) You have fewer teams in your conference than what is required by NCAA bylaws and just need bodies.

3) The football-only member is Notre Dame. (This is usually not the case.)

At nine teams, you can play a round-robin 8-team conference schedule, with 4 OOC slots for revenue, rivalries, and schedule strength.

At ten teams, you either skip a team each season (not ideal) or you play a 9-team conference schedule, costing you an OOC slot. It's not fatal or impossible... it's just not necessarily better.

(And I say this as a person who's intrigued by what NDSU would do in FBS.)

(02-11-2022 01:01 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU President search will be decided in 1 month.
NDSU odds on favorite is a Kansas U guy.... he knows the CUSA area.
NDSU could be that Football-Only add to your conference.

A few questions:

How does being a KANSAS U guy help to know the C-USA area?

Have you not heard the strong indications that NDSU already turned down C-USA and will wait on the MW who may be interested if they loose teams?

(02-11-2022 02:08 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 01:01 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU President search will be decided in 1 month.
NDSU odds on favorite is a Kansas U guy.... he knows the CUSA area.
NDSU could be that Football-Only add to your conference.

Intriguing as that would be, it doesn't answer the biggest question:

What would be gained from CUSA moving to 10 teams?

A football-only member would only make sense in the following limited cases:

1) You have 11 teams and want 12 in order to play in two balanced divisions.

2) You have fewer teams in your conference than what is required by NCAA bylaws and just need bodies.

3) The football-only member is Notre Dame. (This is usually not the case.)

At nine teams, you can play a round-robin 8-team conference schedule, with 4 OOC slots for revenue, rivalries, and schedule strength.

At ten teams, you either skip a team each season (not ideal) or you play a 9-team conference schedule, costing you an OOC slot. It's not fatal or impossible... it's just not necessarily better.

(And I say this as a person who's intrigued by what NDSU would do in FBS.)

IMO C-USA goes to ten if the media deal is significantly better than what the current nine bring in AND/OR a travel partner situation that is ideal and saves tons of money for conference schools. Having ten teams gives media partners more inventory and another market.

SUBJECT TO:

1.) Division I specific constitution changes.

2.) Any CFP money developments

3.) Other conference movement (Big 12, AAC, MW)

(02-11-2022 08:08 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 02:08 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 01:01 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU President search will be decided in 1 month.
NDSU odds on favorite is a Kansas U guy.... he knows the CUSA area.
NDSU could be that Football-Only add to your conference.

Intriguing as that would be, it doesn't answer the biggest question:

What would be gained from CUSA moving to 10 teams?

A football-only member would only make sense in the following limited cases:

1) You have 11 teams and want 12 in order to play in two balanced divisions.

2) You have fewer teams in your conference than what is required by NCAA bylaws and just need bodies.

3) The football-only member is Notre Dame. (This is usually not the case.)

At nine teams, you can play a round-robin 8-team conference schedule, with 4 OOC slots for revenue, rivalries, and schedule strength.

At ten teams, you either skip a team each season (not ideal) or you play a 9-team conference schedule, costing you an OOC slot. It's not fatal or impossible... it's just not necessarily better.

(And I say this as a person who's intrigued by what NDSU would do in FBS.)

IMO C-USA goes to ten if the media deal is significantly better than what the current nine bring in AND/OR a travel partner situation that is ideal and saves tons of money for conference schools. Having ten teams gives media partners more inventory and another market.

SUBJECT TO:

1.) Division I specific constitution changes.

2.) Any CFP money developments

3.) Other conference movement (Big 12, AAC, MW)

I don’t see anyone left that moves the needle that much

Was doing a comparison in baseball, basketball, and football between 6 potential FCS callups. EKU, Kennesaw State, ETSU, SFA, Tarelton State, and McNeese State. Without looking at facilities at all, Here is how they rated 1 to 6 in baseball, basketball, and football, respectively.

EKU 5-5-4 = 14
Kennesaw State = 2,4,1 = 7
ETSU = 3,2,2 =7
SFA = 4,1,3 = 8
Tarelton State = 6,3,6 = 15
McNeese State = 1,6,5 = 12

So Kennesaw State, ETSU, and SFA have the best overall athletic programs.

(02-11-2022 02:08 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 01:01 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU President search will be decided in 1 month.
NDSU odds on favorite is a Kansas U guy.... he knows the CUSA area.
NDSU could be that Football-Only add to your conference.

Intriguing as that would be, it doesn't answer the biggest question:

What would be gained from CUSA moving to 10 teams?

A football-only member would only make sense in the following limited cases:

1) You have 11 teams and want 12 in order to play in two balanced divisions.

2) You have fewer teams in your conference than what is required by NCAA bylaws and just need bodies.

3) The football-only member is Notre Dame. (This is usually not the case.)

At nine teams, you can play a round-robin 8-team conference schedule, with 4 OOC slots for revenue, rivalries, and schedule strength.

At ten teams, you either skip a team each season (not ideal) or you play a 9-team conference schedule, costing you an OOC slot. It's not fatal or impossible... it's just not necessarily better.

(And I say this as a person who's intrigued by what NDSU would do in FBS.)

It might be nice to not have to play all 9 teams every season, I can see a few scenarios that’s preferable, especially with a NDSU add.

There’s no school we could pair with NDSU fb only though. It would have to come from the west (Mo St ain’t interested).

In our 14 team CUSA UTEP and Marshall have not played in football for 11 years I believe.

14 schools is too big. You lose touch with schools in the opposit division.

9 schools is fine for making sure you play everyone in the conference every year and splitting revenue fewer ways.

12 is good for at least a little stability (anything can happen as we have recently seen) and an 8 game schedule allows you to play every team in the opposite division in 2 seasons.

As for the stability thing, what conference is out there that needs to grow? The MWC and MAC are at 12 and each could add 2 but they really don't need to. The Big 12 and PAC 12 will both be at 12 and could add but don't really need to.

CUSA is obviously the most vulnerable. If we were to lose 2 to the MAC we would have to immediately add at least 1 which would be an fcs which would take 2 years to get CUSA back to the required 8. I think that is overly vulnerable.

IMO we need the cushion of being at least at 10, maybe 12.

Dont believe after the dust settles many schools will be looking to leave for a lower or same level league.
UTEP and NMSU would go to the MWC especially because of location and higher level.
Any of the others would go to AAC to go up. Just dont see any advantage to the MAC or SBC for the others. If the other leagues have some shuffling then who know what will happen.

One thing which appears apparent is the CUSA has to address the Judy issue whether real or made up. She is a drag on the fans if not the University officials.

(02-12-2022 11:21 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Dont believe after the dust settles many schools will be looking to leave for a lower or same level league.
UTEP and NMSU would go to the MWC especially because of location and higher level.
Any of the others would go to AAC to go up. Just dont see any advantage to the MAC or SBC for the others. If the other leagues have some shuffling then who know what will happen.

One thing which appears apparent is the CUSA has to address the Judy issue whether real or made up. She is a drag on the fans if not the University officials.

Yes, a new more dynamic commissioner is needed.

The MAC would be at 14 now and CUSA would be at 7 if MTSU had not balked. Glad they did but it just shows how vulnerable our league is right now. We need at least a 10th member.