(12-22-2021 11:33 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  And that plan is to continue to divide the country


You see it right here by just reading the title to these posts.


Many won't see it but it's there.


First it was to divide us by race. Now by the vaccine.


Sad what this country has come to.

Collectivism is always going to divide a people. When people entrench themselves into tribes, instead of rational conversations, that's what occurs.

We've been dividing into tribes since the country was founded.
George Washington warned of political parties...and we instantly started having political parties.

My main issue with the vaccine debate is the irrationality among anti-vaccine folks. It isn't an issue, to me, what their choices are. It's an issue of spreading bad information, believing in it, and entrenching themselves in it. You can be anti-vaccine AND believe in real, actual information (it's just that real, actual information typically contradicts the majority of anti-vaccine beliefs).

But if you think race is the only thing that's been dividing Americans, you've not been paying attention. We've been subdivided via neighborhoods, between county lines, between political parties, race, medical conditions, income levels, classes, etc.

And the only thing keeping us from breaking those lines is continuing to embrace them as part of our identity. Both sides do this. It's just like a comment denigrating transgendered people. Yes, science actually does explain transgender. In fact, medical conditions can even make this more real than just a psychological component. Yet instead of breaking that line to see it - it's just a good time to joke about it.

The vaccine division is not just a vaccine issue. It's become not only a reason versus anti-reason issue. It's not only a moral issue. It's been turned into a political issue because people's political identities pinch hint for their lack of reasoning skills.

And what if - if you are a rational person capable of objective thought - the information you have been given is wrong? What if it's you instead of us who has been lied to and sold a bill of goods that is completely false? Or are you the type who believes that science is infallible?

If you can't see that this whole experience has been an exercise in control then I am sorry for you. Nothing that's been done has prevented one single case from occurring, at best the impact on individuals has been lessened, at worst those who have opted for the shots - not vaccines, come on, you don't believe that do you -may not see problems develop for 5-10-20 years. We simply don't have enough data about the potential long term effects of these "vaccines".

I've had it twice, the 1st time went untreated and the effects lasted almost the entirety of 2020, the 2nd time I was treated with monoclonal antibodies the day after I was diagnosed with it and the effects were far less and lasted less time than the 1st time, barely over two weeks.

I have not and will not be taking any shots presented as vaccines for a virus with such a low mortality rate, almost a statistical zero.

Here's an idea, you do you and I'll respect that as long as you let me do me without judging me as a mindless conspiracy theorist.

Damn, maybe the rona has effected me more than I thought since I'm responding to posts I've already responded to once. Or it could be old age.

(01-09-2022 01:06 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 11:33 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  And that plan is to continue to divide the country


You see it right here by just reading the title to these posts.


Many won't see it but it's there.


First it was to divide us by race. Now by the vaccine.


Sad what this country has come to.

Collectivism is always going to divide a people. When people entrench themselves into tribes, instead of rational conversations, that's what occurs.

We've been dividing into tribes since the country was founded.
George Washington warned of political parties...and we instantly started having political parties.

My main issue with the vaccine debate is the irrationality among anti-vaccine folks. It isn't an issue, to me, what their choices are. It's an issue of spreading bad information, believing in it, and entrenching themselves in it. You can be anti-vaccine AND believe in real, actual information (it's just that real, actual information typically contradicts the majority of anti-vaccine beliefs).

But if you think race is the only thing that's been dividing Americans, you've not been paying attention. We've been subdivided via neighborhoods, between county lines, between political parties, race, medical conditions, income levels, classes, etc.

And the only thing keeping us from breaking those lines is continuing to embrace them as part of our identity. Both sides do this. It's just like a comment denigrating transgendered people. Yes, science actually does explain transgender. In fact, medical conditions can even make this more real than just a psychological component. Yet instead of breaking that line to see it - it's just a good time to joke about it.

The vaccine division is not just a vaccine issue. It's become not only a reason versus anti-reason issue. It's not only a moral issue. It's been turned into a political issue because people's political identities pinch hint for their lack of reasoning skills.

And what if - if you are a rational person capable of objective thought - the information you have been given is wrong? What if it's you instead of us who has been lied to and sold a bill of goods that is completely false? Or are you the type who believes that science is infallible?

If you can't see that this whole experience has been an exercise in control then I am sorry for you. Nothing that's been done has prevented one single case from occurring, at best the impact on individuals has been lessened, at worst those who have opted for the shots - not vaccines, come on, you don't believe that do you -may not see problems develop for 5-10-20 years. We simply don't have enough data about the potential long term effects of these "vaccines".

I've had it twice, the 1st time went untreated and the effects lasted almost the entirety of 2020, the 2nd time I was treated with monoclonal antibodies the day after I was diagnosed with it and the effects were far less and lasted less time than the 1st time, barely over two weeks.

I have not and will not be taking any shots presented as vaccines for a virus with such a low mortality rate, almost a statistical zero.

Here's an idea, you do you and I'll respect that as long as you let me do me without judging me as a mindless conspiracy theorist.

“lied to and sold a bill of goods that is completely false”

I’m not necessarily talking about “vaccines”, but isn’t this the new normal?

(01-09-2022 03:08 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 01:06 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 11:33 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  And that plan is to continue to divide the country


You see it right here by just reading the title to these posts.


Many won't see it but it's there.


First it was to divide us by race. Now by the vaccine.


Sad what this country has come to.

Collectivism is always going to divide a people. When people entrench themselves into tribes, instead of rational conversations, that's what occurs.

We've been dividing into tribes since the country was founded.
George Washington warned of political parties...and we instantly started having political parties.

My main issue with the vaccine debate is the irrationality among anti-vaccine folks. It isn't an issue, to me, what their choices are. It's an issue of spreading bad information, believing in it, and entrenching themselves in it. You can be anti-vaccine AND believe in real, actual information (it's just that real, actual information typically contradicts the majority of anti-vaccine beliefs).

But if you think race is the only thing that's been dividing Americans, you've not been paying attention. We've been subdivided via neighborhoods, between county lines, between political parties, race, medical conditions, income levels, classes, etc.

And the only thing keeping us from breaking those lines is continuing to embrace them as part of our identity. Both sides do this. It's just like a comment denigrating transgendered people. Yes, science actually does explain transgender. In fact, medical conditions can even make this more real than just a psychological component. Yet instead of breaking that line to see it - it's just a good time to joke about it.

The vaccine division is not just a vaccine issue. It's become not only a reason versus anti-reason issue. It's not only a moral issue. It's been turned into a political issue because people's political identities pinch hint for their lack of reasoning skills.

And what if - if you are a rational person capable of objective thought - the information you have been given is wrong? What if it's you instead of us who has been lied to and sold a bill of goods that is completely false? Or are you the type who believes that science is infallible?

If you can't see that this whole experience has been an exercise in control then I am sorry for you. Nothing that's been done has prevented one single case from occurring, at best the impact on individuals has been lessened, at worst those who have opted for the shots - not vaccines, come on, you don't believe that do you -may not see problems develop for 5-10-20 years. We simply don't have enough data about the potential long term effects of these "vaccines".

I've had it twice, the 1st time went untreated and the effects lasted almost the entirety of 2020, the 2nd time I was treated with monoclonal antibodies the day after I was diagnosed with it and the effects were far less and lasted less time than the 1st time, barely over two weeks.

I have not and will not be taking any shots presented as vaccines for a virus with such a low mortality rate, almost a statistical zero.

Here's an idea, you do you and I'll respect that as long as you let me do me without judging me as a mindless conspiracy theorist.

“lied to and sold a bill of goods that is completely false”

I’m not necessarily talking about “vaccines”, but isn’t this the new normal?

It can be applied liberally across the board, it's what propels the agenda.