(12-20-2021 10:29 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Can’t stand a liar.

He’s also obtuse.

Andy Dufresne lol.. Seriously, Penny is a fool for saying that "he never thought about shots again".. I knew Penny was not a good coach.. but this???

(12-20-2021 12:16 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:58 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:47 AM)Dbtex10 Wrote:  My first ever post. I simply cant resist. This shot is not an IMMUNIZATION. When you were a kid you got IMMUNIZED. This shot absolutely stops nothing with regards to Covid. The disconnect people have is mind boggling. Forcing people to inject themselves with an unknown risk factor containing injection under the guise of an immunization is criminal and unconstitutional. Being upset at young men for CHOOSING yes or no towards this NON IMMUNIZATION over a game is a sad snapshot of society today.

I'm sorry that your first post was such . I think maybe we need a subform for you tinfoil hat wearers to post your garbage.

Despite the fact that what he posted is the absolute truth?

It isn't truth. It's literally semantics. Vaccines are a form of immunization and being immunized is getting vaccinated which can make you immune or resistant to a disease. For decades we've known vaccines are not full proof. We have only eradicated 1 disease (Smallpox) which took a global effort of vaccine mandates to do. When you were a kid, you got vaccines that immunized you against certain things (but they were never 100%) but because EVERYONE ELSE was getting vaccinated against viruses that failed to mutate (like polio) against them - the cases fell down to a handful. The disconnect here is being under educated on what vaccines are, how they function, and how different viruses react to vaccines.

Clearly, the COVID vaccine is going to be more like a Flu vaccine due to the nature of the viruses (strong against vaccines and able to mutate against them and immunity from infection).

Vaccines have no long term health factors because they're not in your system very long. The known side effects *ARE* the side effects of the vaccines. That's based on the over-a-century knowledge we have learned from inoculations and vaccinations and how they affect the body.

I've been down this route before. They don't listen to truth... they have their own made-up truth. You can give them all the studies and data sources behind it, and they claim that's just "big Pharma" trying to cover everything up. Then they'll post a link from some nut job they found on a dark corner o the Internet that says congress is full of alien lizards and they think COVID isn't real anyway.

(12-20-2021 12:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:16 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:58 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:47 AM)Dbtex10 Wrote:  My first ever post. I simply cant resist. This shot is not an IMMUNIZATION. When you were a kid you got IMMUNIZED. This shot absolutely stops nothing with regards to Covid. The disconnect people have is mind boggling. Forcing people to inject themselves with an unknown risk factor containing injection under the guise of an immunization is criminal and unconstitutional. Being upset at young men for CHOOSING yes or no towards this NON IMMUNIZATION over a game is a sad snapshot of society today.

I'm sorry that your first post was such . I think maybe we need a subform for you tinfoil hat wearers to post your garbage.

Despite the fact that what he posted is the absolute truth?

It isn't truth. It's literally semantics. Vaccines are a form of immunization and being immunized is getting vaccinated which can make you immune or resistant to a disease. For decades we've known vaccines are not full proof. We have only eradicated 1 disease (Smallpox) which took a global effort of vaccine mandates to do. When you were a kid, you got vaccines that immunized you against certain things (but they were never 100%) but because EVERYONE ELSE was getting vaccinated against viruses that failed to mutate (like polio) against them - the cases fell down to a handful. The disconnect here is being under educated on what vaccines are, how they function, and how different viruses react to vaccines.

Clearly, the COVID vaccine is going to be more like a Flu vaccine due to the nature of the viruses (strong against vaccines and able to mutate against them and immunity from infection).

Vaccines have no long term health factors because they're not in your system very long. The known side effects *ARE* the side effects of the vaccines. That's based on the over-a-century knowledge we have learned from inoculations and vaccinations and how they affect the body.

I've been down this route before. They don't listen to truth... they have their own made-up truth. You can give them all the studies and data sources behind it, and they claim that's just "big Pharma" trying to cover everything up. Then they'll post a link from some nut job they found on a dark corner o the Internet that says congress is full of alien lizards and they think COVID isn't real anyway.

How many people immunized for small pox ended up getting small pox.

Now compare that to how many people "immunized" for covid ended up getting covid, and ended up dying from covid.

See the difference?

(12-20-2021 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:16 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:58 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  I'm sorry that your first post was such . I think maybe we need a subform for you tinfoil hat wearers to post your garbage.

Despite the fact that what he posted is the absolute truth?

It isn't truth. It's literally semantics. Vaccines are a form of immunization and being immunized is getting vaccinated which can make you immune or resistant to a disease. For decades we've known vaccines are not full proof. We have only eradicated 1 disease (Smallpox) which took a global effort of vaccine mandates to do. When you were a kid, you got vaccines that immunized you against certain things (but they were never 100%) but because EVERYONE ELSE was getting vaccinated against viruses that failed to mutate (like polio) against them - the cases fell down to a handful. The disconnect here is being under educated on what vaccines are, how they function, and how different viruses react to vaccines.

Clearly, the COVID vaccine is going to be more like a Flu vaccine due to the nature of the viruses (strong against vaccines and able to mutate against them and immunity from infection).

Vaccines have no long term health factors because they're not in your system very long. The known side effects *ARE* the side effects of the vaccines. That's based on the over-a-century knowledge we have learned from inoculations and vaccinations and how they affect the body.

I've been down this route before. They don't listen to truth... they have their own made-up truth. You can give them all the studies and data sources behind it, and they claim that's just "big Pharma" trying to cover everything up. Then they'll post a link from some nut job they found on a dark corner o the Internet that says congress is full of alien lizards and they think COVID isn't real anyway.

How many people immunized for small pox ended up getting small pox.

Now compare that to how many people "immunized" for covid ended up getting covid, and ended up dying from covid.

See the difference?

He is in total denial of ANY negative facts on any level.

I could respect his position if he just admitted there are issues here, even if he is still fully supportive of the vax.

Of course he will now spin that yet again to pretend he is being reasonable about the questions and issues, but its clear based on all his posts he is not at all.

Pure tunnel vision.

(12-20-2021 11:33 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Kensucky vs Loserville post poned due covid. One day you shot takers will get mad at your government for forcing something into your body that doesn't work and also needs everybody to take it in order for it to work. I identify as vaccinated though. I was born feeling vaccinated. Everytime I look in the mirror I see a vaccinated man although I didn't take the shots.

Buffoonery at its finest.

(12-20-2021 12:12 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:36 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  He did lie & he did try and paint over it.
I don’t think he should be fired but he does owe fans & boosters an apology.

I'm triggered...

and you likely didn’t spend $1000 to go to Nashville or thousands for seats at Fed Ex Forum.

For a fan flipping on the TV, they’re not out much; but for those asked to forgo the game In Nashville & then eat their tickets for the ASU game, it sux. For the team, it sux; & if this squad fails to make the NCAA, Saturday will really suck.

Yes, Penny should have been more forthright & he should have been far more proactive in providing his team information & ensuring all have the ability to be vaccinated. This is a business.

Oh, I agree, I'd be pissed if I put forth the money and trouble and time to attend that game. No argument there. I'm just triggered by the word "booster".

(12-20-2021 12:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:16 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Despite the fact that what he posted is the absolute truth?

It isn't truth. It's literally semantics. Vaccines are a form of immunization and being immunized is getting vaccinated which can make you immune or resistant to a disease. For decades we've known vaccines are not full proof. We have only eradicated 1 disease (Smallpox) which took a global effort of vaccine mandates to do. When you were a kid, you got vaccines that immunized you against certain things (but they were never 100%) but because EVERYONE ELSE was getting vaccinated against viruses that failed to mutate (like polio) against them - the cases fell down to a handful. The disconnect here is being under educated on what vaccines are, how they function, and how different viruses react to vaccines.

Clearly, the COVID vaccine is going to be more like a Flu vaccine due to the nature of the viruses (strong against vaccines and able to mutate against them and immunity from infection).

Vaccines have no long term health factors because they're not in your system very long. The known side effects *ARE* the side effects of the vaccines. That's based on the over-a-century knowledge we have learned from inoculations and vaccinations and how they affect the body.

I've been down this route before. They don't listen to truth... they have their own made-up truth. You can give them all the studies and data sources behind it, and they claim that's just "big Pharma" trying to cover everything up. Then they'll post a link from some nut job they found on a dark corner o the Internet that says congress is full of alien lizards and they think COVID isn't real anyway.

How many people immunized for small pox ended up getting small pox.

Now compare that to how many people "immunized" for covid ended up getting covid, and ended up dying from covid.

See the difference?

He is in total denial of ANY negative facts on any level.

I could respect his position of he just admitted there are issues here, even if he is still fully supportive of the vax.

Comparing two different viruses with two different molecular structures is literally apples to oranges.

Smallpox is not a strong virus in terms of mutation. Once vaccinations were introduced world wide, Smallpox struggled to mutate against it. That immunity was spread over generations (inoculations for smallpox started in the 1770s). It's weak against vaccinations.

For Covid, just like Influenza, those viruses are stronger against the vaccinations by nature of their structure. Just as the flu vaccines do not make you unable to get the flu, the same is for Covid. That's due to the nature of those types of viruses. They're more resistant than Polio, Measles, or Smallpox.

It's not that negatives cannot exist (such as the threat of myocarditis and pericarditis which, generally, do go away on their own). It's that the positives outweigh the negatives. Being pro-vax does not equate that people should be forced against their will to get it.

If people want herd immunity, getting people vaccinated is important. Trying to infect 350,000,000 people to create herd immunity is irresponsible and impractical. Vaccines allow us to be able to reach the percentage needed.

So yes, there are side effects that happen from taking the vaccine - but the concept of "long-term" side effects to vaccines are not reality based. It's the same kind of nonsense the anti-vaxxers perpetuated about vaccines making their kids develop autism as side effect - just a new package from a different side.

(12-20-2021 12:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:57 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Now for the anti-vax crowd. A team of young, healthy athletes are now impacted by covid. They didn't die and likely anyone sick is remaining a minor case. But the choice not to be vaccinated has done a lot of damage. We may not know how much until selection Sunday.

So yes I am disappointed. I am a little angry. I am less trustful of Penny and the entire athletic administration.

Dude what the heck is your malfunction?

The NBA, NFL and NCAA are filled with fully vaxxed and boosted players who are failing texts at a record pace the last 2 weeks as games are being canceled or rescheduled across the board.

THE SHOT DOES NOT STOP YOU FROM TESTING POSITIVE FOR COVID. Not even close.

Are you really this ignorant of the facts or just this dishonest about it?

I would like to know which.

No, no, no... don't you see??? This is the latest tactic by the Covidistan hoard. We've moved on from the "What's it gonna hurt?" phase to the "You'll inconvenience others." phase.

See... Here... I will quote it for you:

Quote:....They didn't die and likely anyone sick is remaining a minor case. But the choice not to be vaccinated has done a lot of damage. We may not know how much until selection Sunday.
....

See, it's not about real danger (again, speaking specifically of these ages and these levels of cardio-vascular health). It's about setting up a structure in which you MUST make a diametric choice between the personal good, and "the common good".
What amazes me is the same people that were all for the NIL are the ones pimping the vax for players.

(12-20-2021 12:38 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:16 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  It isn't truth. It's literally semantics. Vaccines are a form of immunization and being immunized is getting vaccinated which can make you immune or resistant to a disease. For decades we've known vaccines are not full proof. We have only eradicated 1 disease (Smallpox) which took a global effort of vaccine mandates to do. When you were a kid, you got vaccines that immunized you against certain things (but they were never 100%) but because EVERYONE ELSE was getting vaccinated against viruses that failed to mutate (like polio) against them - the cases fell down to a handful. The disconnect here is being under educated on what vaccines are, how they function, and how different viruses react to vaccines.

Clearly, the COVID vaccine is going to be more like a Flu vaccine due to the nature of the viruses (strong against vaccines and able to mutate against them and immunity from infection).

Vaccines have no long term health factors because they're not in your system very long. The known side effects *ARE* the side effects of the vaccines. That's based on the over-a-century knowledge we have learned from inoculations and vaccinations and how they affect the body.

I've been down this route before. They don't listen to truth... they have their own made-up truth. You can give them all the studies and data sources behind it, and they claim that's just "big Pharma" trying to cover everything up. Then they'll post a link from some nut job they found on a dark corner o the Internet that says congress is full of alien lizards and they think COVID isn't real anyway.

How many people immunized for small pox ended up getting small pox.

Now compare that to how many people "immunized" for covid ended up getting covid, and ended up dying from covid.

See the difference?

He is in total denial of ANY negative facts on any level.

I could respect his position of he just admitted there are issues here, even if he is still fully supportive of the vax.

Comparing two different viruses with two different molecular structures is literally apples to oranges.

Smallpox is not a strong virus in terms of mutation. Once vaccinations were introduced world wide, Smallpox struggled to mutate against it. That immunity was spread over generations (inoculations for smallpox started in the 1770s). It's weak against vaccinations.

For Covid, just like Influenza, those viruses are stronger against the vaccinations by nature of their virus. Just as the flu vaccines do not make you unable to get the flu, the same is for Covid. That's due to the nature of those types of viruses. They're more resistant than Polio, Measles, or Smallpox.

It's not that negatives cannot exist (such as the threat of myocarditis and pericarditis which, generally, do go away on their own). It's that the positives outweigh the negatives. Being pro-vax does not equate that people should be forced against their will to get it.

If people want herd immunity, getting people vaccinated is important. Trying to infect 350,000,000 people to create herd immunity is irresponsible and impractical. Vaccines allow us to be able to reach the percentage needed.

So yes, there are side effects that happen from taking the vaccine - but the concept of "long-term" side effects to vaccines are not reality based. It's the same kind of nonsense the anti-vaxxers perpetuated about vaccines making their kids develop autism as side effect - just a new package from a different side.

I think you purposely missed the point, its not any one example of questions and issues, its the fact that there are so many questionable aspects of this and the idea that it should be forced on people who do not want it or do not medically need it.

And of not DARE pretend like we know there are no possible long term effect AS WELL as the current issues. There are ZERO long term studies on this stuff.

There may be or there may not. But we do NOT know right now. Hopefully there are none of note.

(12-20-2021 12:43 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:38 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  I've been down this route before. They don't listen to truth... they have their own made-up truth. You can give them all the studies and data sources behind it, and they claim that's just "big Pharma" trying to cover everything up. Then they'll post a link from some nut job they found on a dark corner o the Internet that says congress is full of alien lizards and they think COVID isn't real anyway.

How many people immunized for small pox ended up getting small pox.

Now compare that to how many people "immunized" for covid ended up getting covid, and ended up dying from covid.

See the difference?

He is in total denial of ANY negative facts on any level.

I could respect his position of he just admitted there are issues here, even if he is still fully supportive of the vax.

Comparing two different viruses with two different molecular structures is literally apples to oranges.

Smallpox is not a strong virus in terms of mutation. Once vaccinations were introduced world wide, Smallpox struggled to mutate against it. That immunity was spread over generations (inoculations for smallpox started in the 1770s). It's weak against vaccinations.

For Covid, just like Influenza, those viruses are stronger against the vaccinations by nature of their virus. Just as the flu vaccines do not make you unable to get the flu, the same is for Covid. That's due to the nature of those types of viruses. They're more resistant than Polio, Measles, or Smallpox.

It's not that negatives cannot exist (such as the threat of myocarditis and pericarditis which, generally, do go away on their own). It's that the positives outweigh the negatives. Being pro-vax does not equate that people should be forced against their will to get it.

If people want herd immunity, getting people vaccinated is important. Trying to infect 350,000,000 people to create herd immunity is irresponsible and impractical. Vaccines allow us to be able to reach the percentage needed.

So yes, there are side effects that happen from taking the vaccine - but the concept of "long-term" side effects to vaccines are not reality based. It's the same kind of nonsense the anti-vaxxers perpetuated about vaccines making their kids develop autism as side effect - just a new package from a different side.

I think you purposely missed the point, its not any one example of questions and issues, its the fact that there are so many questionable aspects of this and the idea that it should be forced on people who do not want it or do not medically need it.

And of not DARE pretend like we know there are no possible long term effect AS WELL as the current issues. There are ZERO long term studies on this stuff.

There may be or there may not. But we do NOT know right now. Hopefully there are none of note.

Yes I am making conjecture from the reality of our vaccines throughout history not having any long term effects.

And I agree - I do not think it should be forced. But my entire point was arguing against bad information. I do not think they should be mandated. But we do need better education on this which I think everyone involved has failed to do.

It all goes back to CDC having bad Covid Tests at the beginning and refusing to change them until we were in the throes of it and the government keeping private companies away from test making. Once you break trust, it's very hard to get people to acknowledge the truth.

(12-20-2021 12:38 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:16 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  It isn't truth. It's literally semantics. Vaccines are a form of immunization and being immunized is getting vaccinated which can make you immune or resistant to a disease. For decades we've known vaccines are not full proof. We have only eradicated 1 disease (Smallpox) which took a global effort of vaccine mandates to do. When you were a kid, you got vaccines that immunized you against certain things (but they were never 100%) but because EVERYONE ELSE was getting vaccinated against viruses that failed to mutate (like polio) against them - the cases fell down to a handful. The disconnect here is being under educated on what vaccines are, how they function, and how different viruses react to vaccines.

Clearly, the COVID vaccine is going to be more like a Flu vaccine due to the nature of the viruses (strong against vaccines and able to mutate against them and immunity from infection).

Vaccines have no long term health factors because they're not in your system very long. The known side effects *ARE* the side effects of the vaccines. That's based on the over-a-century knowledge we have learned from inoculations and vaccinations and how they affect the body.

I've been down this route before. They don't listen to truth... they have their own made-up truth. You can give them all the studies and data sources behind it, and they claim that's just "big Pharma" trying to cover everything up. Then they'll post a link from some nut job they found on a dark corner o the Internet that says congress is full of alien lizards and they think COVID isn't real anyway.

How many people immunized for small pox ended up getting small pox.

Now compare that to how many people "immunized" for covid ended up getting covid, and ended up dying from covid.

See the difference?

He is in total denial of ANY negative facts on any level.

I could respect his position of he just admitted there are issues here, even if he is still fully supportive of the vax.

Comparing two different viruses with two different molecular structures is literally apples to oranges.

Smallpox is not a strong virus in terms of mutation. Once vaccinations were introduced world wide, Smallpox struggled to mutate against it. That immunity was spread over generations (inoculations for smallpox started in the 1770s). It's weak against vaccinations.

For Covid, just like Influenza, those viruses are stronger against the vaccinations by nature of their structure. Just as the flu vaccines do not make you unable to get the flu, the same is for Covid. That's due to the nature of those types of viruses. They're more resistant than Polio, Measles, or Smallpox.

It's not that negatives cannot exist (such as the threat of myocarditis and pericarditis which, generally, do go away on their own). It's that the positives outweigh the negatives. Being pro-vax does not equate that people should be forced against their will to get it.

If people want herd immunity, getting people vaccinated is important. Trying to infect 350,000,000 people to create herd immunity is irresponsible and impractical. Vaccines allow us to be able to reach the percentage needed.

So yes, there are side effects that happen from taking the vaccine - but the concept of "long-term" side effects to vaccines are not reality based. It's the same kind of nonsense the anti-vaxxers perpetuated about vaccines making their kids develop autism as side effect - just a new package from a different side.

Most of that word salad is simply excuses of why the covid vax doesnt work, and why the small pox vax does. Overall you did a good job of proving my point.

These guys want to spit out statistics, but the data shows the 18-29 age group is more likely to die of covid than die/experience serious side effects from any covid vaccine.

(12-20-2021 12:15 PM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:35 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:27 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:20 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Covid Karen's out in full force today

They hate everyone. Eventually they'll find a reason to hate you too.

Because, above all else, they hate themselves. Lord Fauci has been mostly successful.

"Oh my guuawwd, people.... We're all gonna die!!!"

That is this administrations plan. Decrease population and especially the military so that we will be weak and easily defeated by China and or Russia. I think in a few years you will see people just dropping dead from blood clots, mental problems, etc. Why in the world would the government do all of the mandates they require even down to infants other than for population control and the ability to make our entire nation rely on the government for all things. Then we are under their complete control and we will due whatever they demand if we are to continue to exist.

I am not for vaccine mandates. But man, give me what you are smoking

(12-20-2021 12:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:38 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  I've been down this route before. They don't listen to truth... they have their own made-up truth. You can give them all the studies and data sources behind it, and they claim that's just "big Pharma" trying to cover everything up. Then they'll post a link from some nut job they found on a dark corner o the Internet that says congress is full of alien lizards and they think COVID isn't real anyway.

How many people immunized for small pox ended up getting small pox.

Now compare that to how many people "immunized" for covid ended up getting covid, and ended up dying from covid.

See the difference?

He is in total denial of ANY negative facts on any level.

I could respect his position of he just admitted there are issues here, even if he is still fully supportive of the vax.

Comparing two different viruses with two different molecular structures is literally apples to oranges.

Smallpox is not a strong virus in terms of mutation. Once vaccinations were introduced world wide, Smallpox struggled to mutate against it. That immunity was spread over generations (inoculations for smallpox started in the 1770s). It's weak against vaccinations.

For Covid, just like Influenza, those viruses are stronger against the vaccinations by nature of their structure. Just as the flu vaccines do not make you unable to get the flu, the same is for Covid. That's due to the nature of those types of viruses. They're more resistant than Polio, Measles, or Smallpox.

It's not that negatives cannot exist (such as the threat of myocarditis and pericarditis which, generally, do go away on their own). It's that the positives outweigh the negatives. Being pro-vax does not equate that people should be forced against their will to get it.

If people want herd immunity, getting people vaccinated is important. Trying to infect 350,000,000 people to create herd immunity is irresponsible and impractical. Vaccines allow us to be able to reach the percentage needed.

So yes, there are side effects that happen from taking the vaccine - but the concept of "long-term" side effects to vaccines are not reality based. It's the same kind of nonsense the anti-vaxxers perpetuated about vaccines making their kids develop autism as side effect - just a new package from a different side.

Most of that word salad is simply excuses of why the covid vax doesnt work, and why the small pox vax does. Overall you did a good job of proving my point.

Your density here is mindboggling. Covid Vax *does* work, but it was never 100%. Smallpox vax against a weaker virus worked because the entire world vaccinated against it (unlike Covid). It, too, was never 100%, but the world cared enough to fight it. You know...like we used to do in the day when we actually gave a **** about other humans.

(12-20-2021 12:47 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  Yes I am making conjecture from the reality of our vaccines throughout history not having any long term effects.

And I agree - I do not think it should be forced. But my entire point was arguing against bad information. I do not think they should be mandated. But we do need better education on this which I think everyone involved has failed to do.

It all goes back to CDC having bad Covid Tests at the beginning and refusing to change them until we were in the throes of it and the government keeping private companies away from test making. Once you break trust, it's very hard to get people to acknowledge the truth.

It is not "bad information" to say we do not know what the long term side effect are, its not "bad information" to point out there are more reported cases of side effects to this vaccine than all other vaccines in history. Those are FACTS. And there are a whole host of additional FACTS that can be pointed out.

YOU are engaging in "bad information" if argue or suggest those are not facts.

Anyone who wants the vax should be free to get it, and anyone who does not want it should be free to reject it, AND not be punished or discriminated against.

If people can't agree with that fair, logical and rather obvious position, then something has gone terrible wrong in this country.

(12-20-2021 12:57 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:47 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  Yes I am making conjecture from the reality of our vaccines throughout history not having any long term effects.

And I agree - I do not think it should be forced. But my entire point was arguing against bad information. I do not think they should be mandated. But we do need better education on this which I think everyone involved has failed to do.

It all goes back to CDC having bad Covid Tests at the beginning and refusing to change them until we were in the throes of it and the government keeping private companies away from test making. Once you break trust, it's very hard to get people to acknowledge the truth.

Its is not "bad information" to say we do not know what the long term side effect are, its not "bad information" to point out there are more reported cases of side effects to this vaccine than all other vaccines in history. Those are FACTS.

YOU are engaging in "bad information" if argue or suggest those are not facts.

You're using correct numbers to try and suggest a falsehood. Of COURSE the smallpox vaccine doesn't have as many internet-reported adverse affects as the COVID vaccine... it was created in 1798 for crying out loud.

(12-20-2021 12:51 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  These guys want to spit out statistics, but the data shows the 18-29 age group is more likely to die of covid than die/experience serious side effects from any covid vaccine.

LMAO!

18-29 year olds chance of dying from Covid - 0.001%

18-29 year olds chance of dying from Covid vaccine - 0.0001%

But yeah. Let's shut down college sports.

(12-20-2021 01:02 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:51 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  These guys want to spit out statistics, but the data shows the 18-29 age group is more likely to die of covid than die/experience serious side effects from any covid vaccine.

LMAO!

18-29 year olds chance of dying from Covid - 0.001%

18-29 year olds chance of dying from Covid vaccine - 0.0001%

But yeah. Let's shut down college sports.

[citation needed]

(12-20-2021 01:00 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:57 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:47 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  Yes I am making conjecture from the reality of our vaccines throughout history not having any long term effects.

And I agree - I do not think it should be forced. But my entire point was arguing against bad information. I do not think they should be mandated. But we do need better education on this which I think everyone involved has failed to do.

It all goes back to CDC having bad Covid Tests at the beginning and refusing to change them until we were in the throes of it and the government keeping private companies away from test making. Once you break trust, it's very hard to get people to acknowledge the truth.

Its is not "bad information" to say we do not know what the long term side effect are, its not "bad information" to point out there are more reported cases of side effects to this vaccine than all other vaccines in history. Those are FACTS.

YOU are engaging in "bad information" if argue or suggest those are not facts.

You're using correct numbers to try and suggest a falsehood. Of COURSE the smallpox vaccine doesn't have as many internet-reported adverse affects as the COVID vaccine... it was created in 1798 for crying out loud.

You are being incredibly shady and dishonest again.

You know full well I did not say "JUST the small pox vax", I very clearly posted ALL vaccines throughout history.

Its right there in the post in plain English. You read it, you know it said all vaccines.

You are better than this.

(12-20-2021 12:51 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  These guys want to spit out statistics, but the data shows the 18-29 age group is more likely to die of covid than die/experience serious side effects from any covid vaccine.

Typical of people who don't understand statistical risk. You have to add the risk of death to the risk that you will ever contract the virus in the first place.

See, you may or may not contract the virus. There is a statistical percentage chance that you may NOT get the virus. You may never come in contact with it, you may have a "T"-cell level in your body that sluffs off the virus even if you do come in contact with it, as if you never were in contact with it. You may have a vitamin D level that will protect you from serious complications if you DO contract the virus.

But if you take the vaccine, there IS NO STATISTICAL CHANCE of NOT coming in contact with the vaccine. You have eliminated that chance. If you are one of the "lucky ones" that will suffer an enlarged heart or myocarditis from the vaccine... congratulations... You just gave yourself a 100% chance of serious complications, possibly for the rest of your life.