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(12-20-2021 01:44 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Right On The Money, BKTopper. My new mantra is "Nine Is Fine! 10 won't win, 11 ain't Heaven." and "What the He!@#? CUSA don't need 12." 02-13-banana Seriously, CUSA needs to sit back and aggressively court the TV gods 01-ncaabbs for some kind of media deal before considering the addition of even one more mouth to feed! 07-coffee3

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(12-20-2021 01:44 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  CUSA needs to sit back and aggressively court the TV gods for some kind of media deal before considering the addition of even one more mouth to feed!

I wonder how many of you guys realize that there are no "TV gods?"

Basically, the guys who handle a lot of this B.S. on a day to day basis are former fratboys with MBAs and advanced business degrees, in their late 20s and 30s who most of you would consider grown-up punks with large bank accounts and McMansions - - in other words, "!D#@#u#c%b_@-*g~$."

Those are the kinds of people you're dealing with.

You call them "Gods" and say they must be "courted?"

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"Jerks" is more like it. B@$t@rd$ with no heart who only know one game - - HARDBALL.

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Few University Presidents know how to play hardball, and the only G5 commissioner that I'm aware of that has any kind of a backbone is the MWC commissioner - - the one who kicked the AAC's @$$ when they tried to poach CSU and AFA.

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There's just one. thing that CUSA fans need to know - - if you think that there are "TV Gods" who must be "courted," you're just as far out of contact with the actual situation as the cowardly lion was in the presence of "THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ!"

As "Oz" put it to Dorothy, in the end, he was just a "humbug," a pretender, a nobody pretending to be somebody.

Much like the "great and powerful Oz," the so-called "TV Gods," are just a bunch of "suits." Expensive suits, yes, but the guys wearing them are just punks with MBAs. A lot of them are people you wouldn't even want to have dinner with. You'd be disgusted if you knew them.

The game is H A R D B A L L. If you're playing anything else, you lose.
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The OP's description says-- I root for many teams. Well, go somewhere else and do that!

We (at this point) do not need "many teams".

C-USA will wait till NCAA constitutional changes, CFP money and rules, AND media contract/ preferences are decided. It would be foolish to add at this point.

I do see the advantage of ten teams--- but just possibly.
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(12-20-2021 05:25 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The OP's description says-- I root for many teams. Well, go somewhere else and do that!

We (at this point) do not need "many teams".

C-USA will wait till NCAA constitutional changes, CFP money and rules, AND media contract/ preferences are decided. It would be foolish to add at this point.

I do see the advantage of ten teams--- but just possibly.

If you're asking if I'm rooting for the CUSA, the answer is YES.

Question: Would you take NDSU if it would get you a package deal with ESPN at the rate of $2 million/school per year for CUSA 4.0?
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(12-20-2021 05:44 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 05:25 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The OP's description says-- I root for many teams. Well, go somewhere else and do that!

We (at this point) do not need "many teams".

C-USA will wait till NCAA constitutional changes, CFP money and rules, AND media contract/ preferences are decided. It would be foolish to add at this point.

I do see the advantage of ten teams--- but just possibly.

If you're asking if I'm rooting for the CUSA, the answer is YES.

Nobody in CUSA is rooting for CUSA.
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(12-20-2021 05:44 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 05:25 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The OP's description says-- I root for many teams. Well, go somewhere else and do that!

We (at this point) do not need "many teams".

C-USA will wait till NCAA constitutional changes, CFP money and rules, AND media contract/ preferences are decided. It would be foolish to add at this point.

I do see the advantage of ten teams--- but just possibly.

If you're asking if I'm rooting for the CUSA, the answer is YES.

Question: Would you take NDSU if it would get you a package deal with ESPN at the rate of $2 million/school per year for CUSA 4.0?

TWO mill per year? Yes (take NDSU) -- but I would be VERY surprised if that amount would be offered.
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(12-20-2021 02:24 PM)inutech Wrote:  The worst case is that we add 3 more schools, get less money back from tv per school, get less money back per year from the basketball tournament, and (with the schools you're proposing) don't really improve the amount of money we're spending on travel.

And we're stuck like that.

Or maybe we lose a school or two or nine in a future realignment. And then we're back where we are now, but even farther spread out (or weaker on the field) depending on who gets the chance to leave.

That's the worst case. And yeah, it's worse than where we are now. What we have now isn't great, but it's probably temporary.

Take from someone who has been there. Let's ask NMSU how awesome it was for them that the WAC added Texas State and UTSA. All that did was give the Sunbelt and CUSA someone else to take. It didn't make us any more money. It didn't add solidarity. It didn't save the conference. It gave those two schools a place to land in FBS (and arguably have the WAC one last year, which was nice).

Getting NDSU or SDSU or UMass football isn't stopping WKU from leaving for the MAC if they get the chance to do (nor should it). Same for UTEP/NMSU for the MWC. Same for Tech or FIU or Liberty or WKU or JSU or SHSU or WKU or MTSU for the AAC or SB. All it does is cost us money. And give those conferences another team to choose from should they decide to expand again.

Why would JSU want to go to the SBC? troy state is the only team we have any history. WKU just proved to be better than App. ULL or La Tech, LT has Terry and DD ULL has no one our folks know. MTSU is a better name and team than GSU. GaSo is somewhat known at JSU but SHSU is about the same. SBC doesnt have anymore appealing name than CUSA.
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(12-20-2021 08:02 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 02:24 PM)inutech Wrote:  The worst case is that we add 3 more schools, get less money back from tv per school, get less money back per year from the basketball tournament, and (with the schools you're proposing) don't really improve the amount of money we're spending on travel.

And we're stuck like that.

Or maybe we lose a school or two or nine in a future realignment. And then we're back where we are now, but even farther spread out (or weaker on the field) depending on who gets the chance to leave.

That's the worst case. And yeah, it's worse than where we are now. What we have now isn't great, but it's probably temporary.

Take from someone who has been there. Let's ask NMSU how awesome it was for them that the WAC added Texas State and UTSA. All that did was give the Sunbelt and CUSA someone else to take. It didn't make us any more money. It didn't add solidarity. It didn't save the conference. It gave those two schools a place to land in FBS (and arguably have the WAC one last year, which was nice).

Getting NDSU or SDSU or UMass football isn't stopping WKU from leaving for the MAC if they get the chance to do (nor should it). Same for UTEP/NMSU for the MWC. Same for Tech or FIU or Liberty or WKU or JSU or SHSU or WKU or MTSU for the AAC or SB. All it does is cost us money. And give those conferences another team to choose from should they decide to expand again.

Why would JSU want to go to the SBC? troy state is the only team we have any history. WKU just proved to be better than App. ULL or La Tech, LT has Terry and DD ULL has no one our folks know. MTSU is a better name and team than GSU. GaSo is somewhat known at JSU but SHSU is about the same. SBC doesnt have anymore appealing name than CUSA.

Ok. I'm glad y'all want to play us. And certainly we needed bodies.

As a Tech fan I can say that I'm happy to have an extant conference (because just like we've done the "any port on a storm" bit, we've also done the independent thing. It's not good).

If you think your school would turn down an invitation to the SB in order to stick with this conference in a few years, that's certainly a choice. But in that scenario you're probably looking at a slightly different conference anyway, because the rest of us would bounce (I think JSU would too, but I certainly wouldn't know the way a fan might).
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(12-20-2021 09:35 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 08:02 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 02:24 PM)inutech Wrote:  The worst case is that we add 3 more schools, get less money back from tv per school, get less money back per year from the basketball tournament, and (with the schools you're proposing) don't really improve the amount of money we're spending on travel.

And we're stuck like that.

Or maybe we lose a school or two or nine in a future realignment. And then we're back where we are now, but even farther spread out (or weaker on the field) depending on who gets the chance to leave.

That's the worst case. And yeah, it's worse than where we are now. What we have now isn't great, but it's probably temporary.

Take from someone who has been there. Let's ask NMSU how awesome it was for them that the WAC added Texas State and UTSA. All that did was give the Sunbelt and CUSA someone else to take. It didn't make us any more money. It didn't add solidarity. It didn't save the conference. It gave those two schools a place to land in FBS (and arguably have the WAC one last year, which was nice).

Getting NDSU or SDSU or UMass football isn't stopping WKU from leaving for the MAC if they get the chance to do (nor should it). Same for UTEP/NMSU for the MWC. Same for Tech or FIU or Liberty or WKU or JSU or SHSU or WKU or MTSU for the AAC or SB. All it does is cost us money. And give those conferences another team to choose from should they decide to expand again.

Why would JSU want to go to the SBC? troy state is the only team we have any history. WKU just proved to be better than App. ULL or La Tech, LT has Terry and DD ULL has no one our folks know. MTSU is a better name and team than GSU. GaSo is somewhat known at JSU but SHSU is about the same. SBC doesnt have anymore appealing name than CUSA.

Ok. I'm glad y'all want to play us. And certainly we needed bodies.

As a Tech fan I can say that I'm happy to have an extant conference (because just like we've done the "any port on a storm" bit, we've also done the independent thing. It's not good).

If you think your school would turn down an invitation to the SB in order to stick with this conference in a few years, that's certainly a choice. But in that scenario you're probably looking at a slightly different conference anyway, because the rest of us would bounce (I think JSU would too, but I certainly wouldn't know the way a fan might).

Just a fan here, so I have no input as if we would go or stay.

Not seeing the great advantage of the SBC or MAC. Both seem similar in the fact the members are content with their position or status moving forward.

CUSAs identity will be developed when the new group has a few years together. May develop into a more basketball lead league which one give JSU a reason to look. Could parlay the great basketball brands into all sports which would make JSU have no "reasonable" desire to move. Guess Im planning on the last one.
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(12-21-2021 10:00 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 09:35 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 08:02 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 02:24 PM)inutech Wrote:  The worst case is that we add 3 more schools, get less money back from tv per school, get less money back per year from the basketball tournament, and (with the schools you're proposing) don't really improve the amount of money we're spending on travel.

And we're stuck like that.

Or maybe we lose a school or two or nine in a future realignment. And then we're back where we are now, but even farther spread out (or weaker on the field) depending on who gets the chance to leave.

That's the worst case. And yeah, it's worse than where we are now. What we have now isn't great, but it's probably temporary.

Take from someone who has been there. Let's ask NMSU how awesome it was for them that the WAC added Texas State and UTSA. All that did was give the Sunbelt and CUSA someone else to take. It didn't make us any more money. It didn't add solidarity. It didn't save the conference. It gave those two schools a place to land in FBS (and arguably have the WAC one last year, which was nice).

Getting NDSU or SDSU or UMass football isn't stopping WKU from leaving for the MAC if they get the chance to do (nor should it). Same for UTEP/NMSU for the MWC. Same for Tech or FIU or Liberty or WKU or JSU or SHSU or WKU or MTSU for the AAC or SB. All it does is cost us money. And give those conferences another team to choose from should they decide to expand again.

Why would JSU want to go to the SBC? troy state is the only team we have any history. WKU just proved to be better than App. ULL or La Tech, LT has Terry and DD ULL has no one our folks know. MTSU is a better name and team than GSU. GaSo is somewhat known at JSU but SHSU is about the same. SBC doesnt have anymore appealing name than CUSA.

Ok. I'm glad y'all want to play us. And certainly we needed bodies.

As a Tech fan I can say that I'm happy to have an extant conference (because just like we've done the "any port on a storm" bit, we've also done the independent thing. It's not good).

If you think your school would turn down an invitation to the SB in order to stick with this conference in a few years, that's certainly a choice. But in that scenario you're probably looking at a slightly different conference anyway, because the rest of us would bounce (I think JSU would too, but I certainly wouldn't know the way a fan might).

Just a fan here, so I have no input as if we would go or stay.

Not seeing the great advantage of the SBC or MAC. Both seem similar in the fact the members are content with their position or status moving forward.

CUSAs identity will be developed when the new group has a few years together. May develop into a more basketball lead league which one give JSU a reason to look. Could parlay the great basketball brands into all sports which would make JSU have no "reasonable" desire to move. Guess Im planning on the last one.

I agree. We have no idea what this conference will look like. If SAM and JAX start winning and we do add NDSU. You are looking at a really tough conference that many may suddenly not want to leave. Remember two years ago no one wanted to go to the Belt. Things change. This conference has no where to go but up. Give it freaking time.
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(12-20-2021 06:26 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 05:44 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 05:25 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The OP's description says-- I root for many teams. Well, go somewhere else and do that!

We (at this point) do not need "many teams".

C-USA will wait till NCAA constitutional changes, CFP money and rules, AND media contract/ preferences are decided. It would be foolish to add at this point.

I do see the advantage of ten teams--- but just possibly.

If you're asking if I'm rooting for the CUSA, the answer is YES.

Question: Would you take NDSU if it would get you a package deal with ESPN at the rate of $2 million/school per year for CUSA 4.0?

TWO mill per year? Yes (take NDSU) -- but I would be VERY surprised if that amount would be offered.

I honestly don't know why you or anyone should be surprised. Somehow, the CUSA has developed an inferiority complex - - as if they're worth less per school than all the other G5 conferences, and it makes no sense.

Even with 9 teams, the CUSA is going to be about as competitive as the MAC is, maybe. more competitive.

If the MAC is getting paid $2M/school why shouldn't the CUSA? They're not any better.

Plus, you've got to think like an actor. thinks. When you act, you convince yourself that you are the character you're playing. When you negotiate, you convince yourself that you're worth as much as the other guy.

So then, you're not surprised. You expect the $2M/school per year, and when you expect it, you get it. That's how the world works.

If you go to a restaurant and don't expect to get a good table, the maitre'd will sense that, and you probably won't get one. If you expect one, you make it clear that you won't accept a bad table, and are fully prepared to go to a different restaurant.

It would probably help if the CUSA puts all its efforts into becoming an ESPN conference. The others are chintzy b@$t@rd$.

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The fans on the message boards aren't negotiating the contracts. We're just going by what we've experienced.

And to the extent that we're fans of college football in general, we're being honest about the interest level for this group of teams (with or without any other team or 2 or 5).
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Which schools in the AAC/SBC are suppose to be bigger draws than CUSA schools? Future teams.

UAB had a real good rating in the BYU game. Is it because of UAB or BYU? Either way 3.2 million Sat3:50pm
WKU/App 1.6 million Sat 11:00am
UTEP/Fresno 1.5 million Sat 2:41pm
NIU/CCU 1.2 million Fri 6:01pm
EMU/Liberty 1.2 million Fri 6:00pm
ULL/Marshall 1 million Sat 9:35pm
Middle/Toledo 851 Fri 12:00pm

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NDSU/JMU 1.1 million Fri 9:49pm
SDSU/Mont St 795 Sat 2:00pm
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