(12-16-2021 06:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...908111002/

Just browsing the list of recruits, Central and Western, did not sign as many kids from Michigan as they usually do.

(12-16-2021 06:36 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...908111002/

Just browsing the list of recruits, Central and Western, did not sign as many kids from Michigan as they usually do.

Surprisingly, Howard U. (Washington, D.C.) signed two from MI (one, Dyson, from Belleville, and May, from Detroit). Howard 2 EMU 1. I'll take one quality recruit over two lesser.

I believe this is 'subscriber only' but there are many top 60 MI h.S. recruits still uncommitted. Very unusual after the Dec. signing period. Maybe coaches are having a hard time counting available scholarships and will try to have the numbers in hand by Feb.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...506628001/

EDIT: I counted 19 undecided say half are in the 41 - 60 range BUT say 10 in the top 40. Very unusual to have so many top 20, top 40 undecided.

(12-15-2021 07:31 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 06:10 PM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  I wonder if this VERY small class is a sign that a lot of the seniors will use their extra year? Some of our better players (guys like Beydoun, Drummond, Sow) should be finishing up their senior year Saturday, however because of the COVID season have the option to come back next year. Hopefully this means they will play one more season at EMU as opposed to transferring/going pro/hanging it up all together.

I thought those guys were a lock to come back. I thought that this was their 4th yr and they still have a redshirt senior yr, correct? I'm confused with all the covid extra yr stuff. If we lost Drummond, beydoun or Sow I would be devastated. Our offense for the most part was very good and I think will be just as good next yr and I hope they are a part of it.

Will we find out who is staying and going based on updated roster on the school site? if so, how often does that get updated

I would think we would know pretty quickly after the bowl game if anyone is transferring since I would assume they'd want to be at their new school in time for the next semester in January.

Had COVID not happened those guys would be playing their last game Saturday in the bowl since this would have been their true or RS senior year. Since last year didn't count towards eligibility they all have another year and can come back next fall.

I have NO inside information, so I don't know what any of these guys are thinking, I'm just hoping they come back. I would assume most of them either already have or are about to finish their degree so I suppose they could just say "I'm done with football/school" and hang it up. The bigger fear is in this world of grad-transfers and the transfer portal, they might want something new for their last year.

Given the small size of the recruiting class, and that most of those guys (like most of our players) seem like great young men, and Creighton seems to have a great connections with his players, I'd think that means they are coming back. You would think they'd have a good enough relationship that either the players would say "Hey coach I'm done after the bowl game for reason X" or Creighton would be upfront and say "I hope you all come back but please let us know before date X so we can plan."

According to 247 we finished 10th in recruiting (at least pre-second signing day) in the MAC. However, everyone else (other than Akron) is well into double digits in terms of of raw number of players while we are at five plus the two transfers so that is what brings us down. If you look at our average ranking per recruit we are at 83.77 which is the highest in the MAC! I think this reflects what everyone has seems to be saying, the class is small but very good!

Academically, the fear is that they come back as grad students and play one semester and drop out after their eligibility is over (but do they have leases for the school year???).

The other thing I noticed, not surprisingly, is the dearth of JUCOs who signed anywhere. Transfers have become like mid-year JUCO signees.

Feb will see a lot of h.s., transfers and JUCOs competing for a limited number of scholarships. May be brutal.

(12-16-2021 06:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:36 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...908111002/

Just browsing the list of recruits, Central and Western, did not sign as many kids from Michigan as they usually do.

Surprisingly, Howard U. (Washington, D.C.) signed two from MI (one, Dyson, from Belleville, and May, from Detroit). Howard 2 EMU 1. I'll take one quality recruit over two lesser.

I believe this is 'subscriber only' but there are many top 60 MI h.S. recruits still uncommitted. Very unusual after the Dec. signing period. Maybe coaches are having a hard time counting available scholarships and will try to have the numbers in hand by Feb.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...506628001/

EDIT: I counted 19 undecided say half are in the 41 - 60 range BUT say 10 in the top 40. Very unusual to have so many top 20, top 40 undecided.

This is great news potentially for Michigan's D2 football schools and their recruiting.

Over the past two years CC and staff have improved in their recruiting and with the added wrinkle of the transfer portal. Gone are the days when we were the only D1 offer a player had we didn't fill our our scholarships and a lot of true frosh started. And we have reduced player turnover from where it used to be even with the portal. Program stability is a wondrous thing.

(12-16-2021 10:51 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Over the past two years CC and staff have improved in their recruiting and with the added wrinkle of the transfer portal. Gone are the days when we were the only D1 offer a player had we didn't fill our our scholarships and a lot of true frosh started. And we have reduced player turnover from where it used to be even with the portal. Program stability is a wondrous thing.

That he can sell the program to guys at other schools is a big deal. Small sample size but it seems to be a skill hes developed quickly.

(12-16-2021 11:09 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 10:51 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Over the past two years CC and staff have improved in their recruiting and with the added wrinkle of the transfer portal. Gone are the days when we were the only D1 offer a player had we didn't fill our our scholarships and a lot of true frosh started. And we have reduced player turnover from where it used to be even with the portal. Program stability is a wondrous thing.

That he can sell the program to guys at other schools is a big deal. Small sample size but it seems to be a skill hes developed quickly.

Yes, and just think what Creighton could do if he had a bowl trophy or a MACC to showcase to recruits. Can he do it?????

BTW, this is a quote indicating someone's thought on the transfer portal. The quote is from a Detroit H.S. FB player:

"These kids that commit to these big D1s out of high-school and go in thinking they the man, get humbled quick and RUN TO THE PORTAL Face with look of triumph because things don’t go there way via playing time, travel squad etc AND STILL GET REWARDED/BAILED OUT BY THE PORTAL it’s getting old man! Hundred points symbol "

This is a take on what was used to recruit players before, "if you can't make it here (B1G), you can transfer after two years to the MAC." Basically sold as a no lose proposition.

As someone suggested above, who knows if Shelley won't be the next.

(12-16-2021 10:46 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:36 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...908111002/

Just browsing the list of recruits, Central and Western, did not sign as many kids from Michigan as they usually do.

Surprisingly, Howard U. (Washington, D.C.) signed two from MI (one, Dyson, from Belleville, and May, from Detroit). Howard 2 EMU 1. I'll take one quality recruit over two lesser.

I believe this is 'subscriber only' but there are many top 60 MI h.S. recruits still uncommitted. Very unusual after the Dec. signing period. Maybe coaches are having a hard time counting available scholarships and will try to have the numbers in hand by Feb.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...506628001/

EDIT: I counted 19 undecided say half are in the 41 - 60 range BUT say 10 in the top 40. Very unusual to have so many top 20, top 40 undecided.

This is great news potentially for Michigan's D2 football schools and their recruiting.

We'll have to see how some MAC and FCS schools recruit those those 10 uncommitted in the 40 - 60 range. A few, maybe not many, will go GLAC.

I see one in the 50 - 60 range to GVSU and one to Saginaw Valley.

This reinforces my belief that D-II recruiting in MI starts at prospects ranked say 50+.

(12-16-2021 11:34 AM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, this is a quote indicating someone's thought on the transfer portal. The quote is from a Detroit H.S. FB player:

"These kids that commit to these big D1s out of high-school and go in thinking they the man, get humbled quick and RUN TO THE PORTAL Face with look of triumph because things don’t go there way via playing time, travel squad etc AND STILL GET REWARDED/BAILED OUT BY THE PORTAL it’s getting old man! Hundred points symbol "

This is a take on what was used to recruit players before, "if you can't make it here (B1G), you can transfer after two years to the MAC." Basically sold as a no lose proposition.

As someone suggested above, who knows if Shelley won't be the next.

On the flip side this allows players to find the level that theyre supposed to be at. if they get over or under recruited they get the opportunity to find the spot theyre supposed to be in.

(12-16-2021 12:21 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 11:34 AM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, this is a quote indicating someone's thought on the transfer portal. The quote is from a Detroit H.S. FB player:

"These kids that commit to these big D1s out of high-school and go in thinking they the man, get humbled quick and RUN TO THE PORTAL Face with look of triumph because things don’t go there way via playing time, travel squad etc AND STILL GET REWARDED/BAILED OUT BY THE PORTAL it’s getting old man! Hundred points symbol "

This is a take on what was used to recruit players before, "if you can't make it here (B1G), you can transfer after two years to the MAC." Basically sold as a no lose proposition.

As someone suggested above, who knows if Shelley won't be the next.

On the flip side this allows players to find the level that theyre supposed to be at. if they get over or under recruited they get the opportunity to find the spot theyre supposed to be in.

Yes...but I'd like to see how many guys have hit the Portal over the past year or so and are still waiting for that next opportunity. Working out and practicing as a third or fourth string player at any program is better than floating in the portal for months praying someone picks you up.

(12-16-2021 12:25 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 12:21 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 11:34 AM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, this is a quote indicating someone's thought on the transfer portal. The quote is from a Detroit H.S. FB player:

"These kids that commit to these big D1s out of high-school and go in thinking they the man, get humbled quick and RUN TO THE PORTAL Face with look of triumph because things don’t go there way via playing time, travel squad etc AND STILL GET REWARDED/BAILED OUT BY THE PORTAL it’s getting old man! Hundred points symbol "

This is a take on what was used to recruit players before, "if you can't make it here (B1G), you can transfer after two years to the MAC." Basically sold as a no lose proposition.

As someone suggested above, who knows if Shelley won't be the next.

On the flip side this allows players to find the level that theyre supposed to be at. if they get over or under recruited they get the opportunity to find the spot theyre supposed to be in.

Yes...but I'd like to see how many guys have hit the Portal over the past year or so and are still waiting for that next opportunity. Working out and practicing as a third or fourth string player at any program is better than floating in the portal for months praying someone picks you up.

there are definitely individuals who are making mistakes with their usage of the portal - but broadly speaking this is a good thing

If you haven't seen this its worthwhile, the first 10 minutes are highlights of the recruits we sigNed. But about the 10:40 mark Jeff Collett comes on and his comments about the February signing period are very interesting. In short we are not done yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CT8cSGeAB8

Good stuff:

1). Relationships, more than geography, matter. The LB from BC was an early recruit what 4 years ago. We were his first offer. He didn't forget.
Kline was known to Bullough from MSU. Of course, even MORE so was MBB where relationship out east led to a number of our impact recruits coming to EMU.

2). Hint that there could be a few more in February. Sounds like they may know who they are but for one reason or another they couldn't be released and signed now. I'm guessing more transfer. I'm going to make a GUESS. We
have two players transferring out (on scholarship). They may remain in school on scholarship and those scholarship given out as 22/23 scholarship in Feb.

3). Good discussion as we've discussed 2022 is a bad year for graduating h.s. seniors. They and players getting the 'bonus' year are competing for the same roster slot/scholarship. As I've mentioned, also
transfers have killed off most mid-year JUCO transfers. Why sign a JUCO LB when we can get a B1G LB?

4). Jeffery was very upfront that EMU wasn't going to give out more scholarships than they have in hand. That is the fair and honest thing to do. Don't want to rescind offers or run players off. Jeff must feel like a NFL personnel man.
This stuff has gotten extremely complicated in the last few years.

5). Related to #2 above, staffs, now more than ever, make these relationships with h.s. recruits. One never know if some of them will join the transfer portal. One never knows when a local kid who signs with MSU, etc. may decide to enter the portal and revisit previous recruiting relationships. (Bonus for Miggy: let's hope Bates gets homesick and transfers to EMU for a year before going to the NBA. Vegas would give us 100 : 1 odds of that happening so don't count on it).

(12-16-2021 05:15 PM)emu79 Wrote:  If you haven't seen this its worthwhile, the first 10 minutes are highlights of the recruits we sign. But about the 10:40 mark Jeff Collett comes on and his comments about the February signing period are very interesting. In sort we are not done yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CT8cSGeAB8

Thanks for sharing video.

I hope we add some impact players in February at these positions:

1) DT
2) LB
3) DE
4) RB

Would be interesting to find out where Coach Creighton’s daughter goes to college. If it’s EMU or UofM, then maybe he’s here for four more years.

(12-16-2021 06:11 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 05:15 PM)emu79 Wrote:  If you haven't seen this its worthwhile, the first 10 minutes are highlights of the recruits we sign. But about the 10:40 mark Jeff Collett comes on and his comments about the February signing period are very interesting. In sort we are not done yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CT8cSGeAB8

Thanks for sharing video.

I hope we add some impact players in February at these positions:

1) DT
2) LB
3) DE
4) RB

Would be interesting to find out where Coach Creighton’s daughter goes to college. If it’s EMU or UofM, then maybe he’s here for four more years.

I wouldn't read much into it (her choice). She could well go to a religious school.

I don't know, is she a senior?

(12-16-2021 05:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Good stuff:

1). Relationships, more than geography, matter. The LB from BC was an early recruit what 4 years ago. We were his first offer. He didn't forget.
Kline was known to Bullough from MSU. Of course, even MORE so was MBB where relationship out east led to a number of our impact recruits coming to EMU.

2). Hint that there could be a few more in February. Sounds like they may know who they are but for one reason or another they couldn't be released and signed now. I'm guessing more transfer. I'm going to make a GUESS. We
have two players transferring out (on scholarship). They may remain in school on scholarship and those scholarship given out as 22/23 scholarship in Feb.

3). Good discussion as we've discussed 2022 is a bad year for graduating h.s. seniors. They and players getting the 'bonus' year are competing for the same roster slot/scholarship. As I've mentioned, also
transfers have killed off most mid-year JUCO transfers. Why sign a JUCO LB when we can get a B1G LB?

4). Jeffery was very upfront that EMU wasn't going to give out more scholarships than they have in hand. That is the fair and honest thing to do. Don't want to rescind offers or run players off. Jeff must feel like a NFL personnel man.
This stuff has gotten extremely complicated in the last few years.

5). Related to #2 above, staffs, now more than ever, make these relationships with h.s. recruits. One never know if some of them will join the transfer portal. One never knows when a local kid who signs with MSU, etc. may decide to enter the portal and revisit previous recruiting relationships. (Bonus for Miggy: let's hope Bates gets homesick and transfers to EMU for a year before going to the NBA. Vegas would give us 100 : 1 odds of that happening so don't count on it).

Steve, you make a great point about Kline! In 2014 the Detroit Tigers hired a coach from the Houston Astros named Dave Clark. He recommended that that the Tigers sign a player that the Astros had just released as his exposure to him indicated he had potential. That player was JD Martinez! Bullough knows Kline, like Clark knew Martinez, if he were a slug, we simply don't recruit him. I like this recruit!

Steve, I love you man but please give up on Emoni Bates. Other than the fact that he resides in Ypsilanti, I personally see little affection for the kid. He wins a state championship and declares that he will not leave Lincoln HS. Until the next year of course. His father creates a "shadow high school" for him to display his talents. He commits to MSU and then ends up at Memphis. I thank him for winning a State Championship (not as big as deal as in the past) at Lincoln and highlighting my area, but personally I have little regard for him. He is a very good basketball player, but he acts like Ervin Johnson, which he clearly is NOT!

(12-16-2021 06:18 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:11 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 05:15 PM)emu79 Wrote:  If you haven't seen this its worthwhile, the first 10 minutes are highlights of the recruits we sign. But about the 10:40 mark Jeff Collett comes on and his comments about the February signing period are very interesting. In sort we are not done yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CT8cSGeAB8

Thanks for sharing video.

I hope we add some impact players in February at these positions:

1) DT
2) LB
3) DE
4) RB

Would be interesting to find out where Coach Creighton’s daughter goes to college. If it’s EMU or UofM, then maybe he’s here for four more years.

I wouldn't read much into it (her choice). She could well go to a religious school.

I don't know, is she a senior?

One of his daughters is a senior.
Maybe Concordia Ann Arbor is an option?