(12-14-2021 11:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

It may or may not be true that Brown was running the offense, and perhaps Brown does deserve some of the credit, but that may not explain the situation entirely, since Brown wasn't there last season when Memphis ran the table in the NIT.

An "occam's razor" type of explanation might be that the way things are with their program, they have a tendency to let down when there seems to be little at stake and to play their best when everything is on the line.

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(12-15-2021 12:11 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

It may or may not be true that Brown was running the offense, and perhaps Brown does deserve some of the credit, but that may not explain the situation entirely, since Brown wasn't there last season when Memphis ran the table in the NIT.

An "occam's razor" type of explanation might be that the way things are with their program, they have a tendency to let down when there seems to be little at stake and to play their best when everything is on the line.

Well, we were running an offense tonight that I haven't seen successfully executed before, and it wasn't the offense we were running recently, which was the same as the last half of last year.

As for playing up or down to our competition, that's spot on. We just got disinterested a little too much. This team had so much hype before the season. Not yet earned.

Congrats to Memphis on the win.

(12-15-2021 12:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:11 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

It may or may not be true that Brown was running the offense, and perhaps Brown does deserve some of the credit, but that may not explain the situation entirely, since Brown wasn't there last season when Memphis ran the table in the NIT.

An "occam's razor" type of explanation might be that the way things are with their program, they have a tendency to let down when there seems to be little at stake and to play their best when everything is on the line.

Well, we were running an offense tonight that I haven't seen successfully executed before, and it wasn't the offense we were running recently, which was the same as the last half of last year.

Very interesting.

What kinds of changes did you notice in the offense they ran vs. Alabama? It would be interesting to know what they're doing differently.

One question in my mind is whether Penny became so identified with the NBA that he was trying to teach them to play a style that works better at the professional vs. the college level?

(12-15-2021 12:43 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:11 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

It may or may not be true that Brown was running the offense, and perhaps Brown does deserve some of the credit, but that may not explain the situation entirely, since Brown wasn't there last season when Memphis ran the table in the NIT.

An "occam's razor" type of explanation might be that the way things are with their program, they have a tendency to let down when there seems to be little at stake and to play their best when everything is on the line.

Well, we were running an offense tonight that I haven't seen successfully executed before, and it wasn't the offense we were running recently, which was the same as the last half of last year.

Very interesting.

What kinds of changes did you notice in the offense they ran vs. Alabama? It would be interesting to know what they're doing differently.

One question in my mind is whether Penny became so identified with the NBA that he was trying to teach them to play a style that works better at the professional vs. the college level?

High ball screens, a lot more ball movement side to side, back door cuts, lots of alley oops (mostly to Williams and Duren, who was getting few touches in our losses), very few bad threes, the great full court pressure defense reappeared (which sped up a fast team to where they became flustered), and we clogged up the lane on D where Bama couldn't get a decent shot in the paint. Plus they were something like 4-20 on 3s, with a hand in their face almost every time.

As for the NBA offense, yes, Penny started this season giving the players more freedom to create, b/c he thought it played to Bates' and Duren's strengths. It involves making the right reads, though.

The first few games against lesser teams, we didn't run it well but got away with it. Then starting with Iowa State, we got flustered, the offense died, and we started playing hero ball.

Penny contributed, too, by shuffling players in and out, trying to find combos that clicked. That just made it worse. One game, he used 32 different lineups, and every game, he played every available man on the roster, routinely getting them all in by the first 8 minutes. Even though he kept saying he needed to play his best players and reduce the rotation.

Then Penny started throwing the veterans under the bus, when nobody believed they were the problem.

The players had a players only meeting this week, apparently cleared the air, and played tonight like our fans had hoped they could play.

Now we'll see if tonight was a one off, or the start of a welcome trend.

(12-14-2021 11:44 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  i feel the biggest change in this game was Memphis finally embracing this is Nolley's team (and the older players)

he is a returning 1st team all-conference, NIT mvp..and you had him doing drastically less minutes than last year...had him coming off the bench most of the season..
and when trouble hit (with him on the bench) penny buried him even deeper ..It wasnt about stats but impact

in crunch time the only new player he played was duren...

will be interesting to see the dynamic when timberlake returns from his injury...will that push nolly back down again

Penny still had 10 players in by the first 7 minutes or so. That was everybody available tonight except maybe C. Lawson. Not sure what's up with him.

But Penny finally clamped down on the rotation in the second half, for maybe the first time this season, except one other 10 minute close out stretch (I forget which game).

P, I don't think Timberlake will bump out Nolley when he comes back. Nolley is too valuable when he's on. And he actually played defense tonight.

Penny's a fkn idiot. Worst game coach I've ever seen. Took a Bugatti and turned into a Prius. Total moron.

(12-15-2021 02:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:43 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:11 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

It may or may not be true that Brown was running the offense, and perhaps Brown does deserve some of the credit, but that may not explain the situation entirely, since Brown wasn't there last season when Memphis ran the table in the NIT.

An "occam's razor" type of explanation might be that the way things are with their program, they have a tendency to let down when there seems to be little at stake and to play their best when everything is on the line.

Well, we were running an offense tonight that I haven't seen successfully executed before, and it wasn't the offense we were running recently, which was the same as the last half of last year.

Very interesting.

What kinds of changes did you notice in the offense they ran vs. Alabama? It would be interesting to know what they're doing differently.

One question in my mind is whether Penny became so identified with the NBA that he was trying to teach them to play a style that works better at the professional vs. the college level?

High ball screens, a lot more ball movement side to side, back door cuts, lots of alley oops (mostly to Williams and Duren, who was getting few touches in our losses), very few bad threes, the great full court pressure defense reappeared (which sped up a fast team to where they became flustered), and we clogged up the lane on D where Bama couldn't get a decent shot in the paint. Plus they were something like 4-20 on 3s, with a hand in their face almost every time.

As for the NBA offense, yes, Penny started this season giving the players more freedom to create, b/c he thought it played to Bates' and Duren's strengths. It involves making the right reads, though.

The first few games against lesser teams, we didn't run it well but got away with it. Then starting with Iowa State, we got flustered, the offense died, and we started playing hero ball.

Penny contributed, too, by shuffling players in and out, trying to find combos that clicked. That just made it worse. One game, he used 32 different lineups, and every game, he played every available man on the roster, routinely getting them all in by the first 8 minutes. Even though he kept saying he needed to play his best players and reduce the rotation.

Then Penny started throwing the veterans under the bus, when nobody believed they were the problem.

The players had a players only meeting this week, apparently cleared the air, and played tonight like our fans had hoped they could play.

Now we'll see if tonight was a one off, or the start of a welcome trend.

Took him nine fking games to listen to a hall of fame coach. Narcissist idiot.

(12-15-2021 02:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:43 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:11 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

It may or may not be true that Brown was running the offense, and perhaps Brown does deserve some of the credit, but that may not explain the situation entirely, since Brown wasn't there last season when Memphis ran the table in the NIT.

An "occam's razor" type of explanation might be that the way things are with their program, they have a tendency to let down when there seems to be little at stake and to play their best when everything is on the line.

Well, we were running an offense tonight that I haven't seen successfully executed before, and it wasn't the offense we were running recently, which was the same as the last half of last year.

Very interesting.

What kinds of changes did you notice in the offense they ran vs. Alabama? It would be interesting to know what they're doing differently.

One question in my mind is whether Penny became so identified with the NBA that he was trying to teach them to play a style that works better at the professional vs. the college level?

High ball screens, a lot more ball movement side to side, back door cuts, lots of alley oops (mostly to Williams and Duren, who was getting few touches in our losses), very few bad threes, the great full court pressure defense reappeared (which sped up a fast team to where they became flustered), and we clogged up the lane on D where Bama couldn't get a decent shot in the paint. Plus they were something like 4-20 on 3s, with a hand in their face almost every time.

As for the NBA offense, yes, Penny started this season giving the players more freedom to create, b/c he thought it played to Bates' and Duren's strengths. It involves making the right reads, though.

The first few games against lesser teams, we didn't run it well but got away with it. Then starting with Iowa State, we got flustered, the offense died, and we started playing hero ball.

Now we'll see if tonight was a one off, or the start of a welcome trend.

Very interesting! Thanks for going into that much detail.

It seems ironic that he criticized top recruits for not being sufficiently team-minded, yet he himself was partly responsible for opting for a type of system that is more individually and less team-oriented.

Hopefully, the new system will work out better for Memphis. As long as they're running a clean program, it's encouraging to see an 80-year old coming out of retirement and excelling at this.

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(12-15-2021 06:44 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:58 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I think Memphis’s ship has sailed.

Or not.

The captain has dysentery. First mate Brown to the rescue.

Well, it looks like Bama was still reeling from the intense game against the Coogs. They didn't look anything like they did the other night.

At any rate, glad that Memphis, not only won, but won convincingly. Congrats to the Tiger faithful!

(12-15-2021 01:23 PM)CoogPaw Wrote:  Well, it looks like Bama was still reeling from the intense game against the Coogs. They didn't look anything like they did the other night.

At any rate, glad that Memphis, not only won, but won convincingly. Congrats to the Tiger faithful!

I think there is some truth to that, but no way we win that easily due to that alone. Memphis looked like a completely different team from the tip to the buzzer. Actually ran an efficient offense all night. I kept rubbing my eyes in amazement, lol.

High ball screens. Middle ball screens. Pick and rolls. Back door cuts. Drives and dishes to the open man. Lots of ball movement. Alley oop dunks everywhere. Assists on most buckets.

Hell, freaking Nolley had 6 assists. I think that's more than he had all last year, lol.

Kind of frustrating that it took 4 bad losses in a row to make things happen. Now let's see if the effort sticks, or was just a one off.

(12-14-2021 11:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:53 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:25 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:58 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I think Memphis’s ship has sailed.

Looks like the ship came back.

Looks like the Memphis fans came back too. It’s been a while.

I wouldn’t say one game erases the last four, but alas, you’re a Memphis fan. You’ll sugarcoat anything and live for the moment.

Uh huh, and I'm still here, and I noticed you were missing while we were winning tonight. But you always pop up often when we are doing poorly. So you have zero room to talk smack to anybody.

Uh I posted 15 minutes after you won, numbnuts.

(12-15-2021 12:04 AM)grapes Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:53 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:25 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:58 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I think Memphis’s ship has sailed.

Looks like the ship came back.

Looks like the Memphis fans came back too. It’s been a while.

I wouldn’t say one game erases the last four, but alas, you’re a Memphis fan. You’ll sugarcoat anything and live for the moment.

Sugarcoat a win vs the #6 team in the nation. You're so annoying dude.

Extend Penny to 2030.

(12-15-2021 02:35 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:53 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:25 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:58 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I think Memphis’s ship has sailed.

Looks like the ship came back.

Looks like the Memphis fans came back too. It’s been a while.

I wouldn’t say one game erases the last four, but alas, you’re a Memphis fan. You’ll sugarcoat anything and live for the moment.

Uh huh, and I'm still here, and I noticed you were missing while we were winning tonight. But you always pop up often when we are doing poorly. So you have zero room to talk smack to anybody.

Uh I posted 15 minutes after you won, numbnuts.

I was talking about during the game. You know, like you do when we're losing?

1st conference game of the year...

the score the 1st 10 minutes of the game 4 to 6

points are scarce

(12-15-2021 07:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  1st conference game of the year...

the score the 1st 10 minutes of the game 4 to 6

points are scarce

With the majority of the games I have watched with AAC teams so far this year.... this will probably happen quite a bit in this conference.

This is just pitiful

1st game ive ever watched with both teams under 20pts at half

(12-15-2021 04:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 02:35 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:53 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:25 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Looks like the ship came back.

Looks like the Memphis fans came back too. It’s been a while.

I wouldn’t say one game erases the last four, but alas, you’re a Memphis fan. You’ll sugarcoat anything and live for the moment.

Uh huh, and I'm still here, and I noticed you were missing while we were winning tonight. But you always pop up often when we are doing poorly. So you have zero room to talk smack to anybody.

Uh I posted 15 minutes after you won, numbnuts.

I was talking about during the game. You know, like you do when we're losing?

Wtf are you talking about?

You’re weird.