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John Ourand Predicts Big Ten to CBS and Fox
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He's pretty much connected to the sports media honchos. So if he's saying this then he must have good knowledge from behind the scenes.

Quote:Big Ten signs deals with CBS and Fox.

Fox, which owns 51% of Big Ten Network, will step up to take a bigger package with that conference than it has had previously. CBS wants high-quality college football games for its Saturday afternoon window. Fox and CBS will have the first pick of games every other week starting in 2023, but Fox will carry the Michigan- Ohio State game every year. NBC and WarnerMedia will make big runs at the Big Ten, too.

SEC leaves CBS a year early.

After CBS signs its Big Ten deal, it will negotiate a deal that allows the SEC to move to ESPN a year early. CBS’s SEC deal runs through the 2023 season.
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On the one hand, it’s easy to see CBS and Fox alternating with the top weekly pick for Big Ten football — we discussed that possibility here a few weeks ago.

On the other hand, if there are only leftovers available after CBS and Fox take the most attractive games every week, ESPN might not be interested in a leftover package. Is the Big Ten really ready to take the leap into having no games on ESPN channels?
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ESPN will still bid on a “left over“ package. Not difficult to see them winning too.
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(12-13-2021 01:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  On the one hand, it’s easy to see CBS and Fox alternating with the top weekly pick for Big Ten football — we discussed that possibility here a few weeks ago.

On the other hand, if there are only leftovers available after CBS and Fox take the most attractive games every week, ESPN might not be interested in a leftover package. Is the Big Ten really ready to take the leap into having no games on ESPN channels?
I sure hope so!
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(12-13-2021 02:24 PM)Crayton Wrote:  ESPN will still bid on a “left over“ package. Not difficult to see them winning too.

It's a good move for CBS as it likely helps them hang onto Big Ten basketball, while it allows FOX to perhaps pick up ESPN's hoops portion should ESPN not bid on, or win, on the leftovers.

I would see Peacock, or another streaming service bidding on B10 leftovers. Face it ESPN, ABC and ESPN2 and ESPNU will have plenty of content between the SEC / ACC / and part of the B12 (or all of it) and a lease on part of the PAC.

What excites me is the that the SEC would be done with CBS as of the end of next season. And it likely means UT and OU's first SEC season will be 2023-4. We'll see.

And it would have other ramifications which no one here would believe until they happened.
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This is the move I’ve anticipated. ESPN paid big money for the SEC deal so that’s the horse they will ride.

I’m curious how they package Big Ten picks 3-5.

My preference would be to sell Fox and CBS a package where that alternate between receiving picks 1 and 4 or picks 2 and 3.

If the Big Ten had 4 games per week on network television, that would be huge.
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I predict that once the B1G signs with CBS while extending with Fox, ESPN will direct the SEC to raid the B1G with impunity.
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(12-13-2021 04:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I would see Peacock, or another streaming service bidding on B10 leftovers.

CBS has its own streaming service, Paramount+, and could include in its bid that some Big Ten games would go there.

(12-13-2021 04:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What excites me is the that the SEC would be done with CBS as of the end of next season.

Only if ESPN pays top dollar to buy that year of games from CBS. To quote a convicted felon and former governor of Illinois, “This thing is ******* golden and I’m not gonna give it up for ******* nothing.”
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(12-15-2021 06:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-13-2021 04:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I would see Peacock, or another streaming service bidding on B10 leftovers.

CBS has its own streaming service, Paramount+, and could include in its bid that some Big Ten games would go there.

(12-13-2021 04:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What excites me is the that the SEC would be done with CBS as of the end of next season.

Only if ESPN pays top dollar to buy that year of games from CBS. To quote a convicted felon and former governor of Illinois, “This thing is ******* golden and I’m not gonna give it up for ******* nothing.”

1. Forgot about Paramount as we never watch it even though we are subscribed.

2. They don't have to buy it out. The angle last under negotiation was some T2 and T3 ESPN/ABC product. We'll see.
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(12-15-2021 06:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2. They don't have to buy it out. The angle last under negotiation was some T2 and T3 ESPN/ABC product. We'll see.

That's a LOT of ESPN-U / ESPN+ garbage moving to CBS-SN and Paramount+ to add up to the value of the SEC Game of the Week in 2023.

Better idea: Sell the SEC GOTW 2023 to ESPN, sublicense one Top 5 or Top 10 game a week from the ESPN/ABC inventory for 5 or 6 or 10 or 12 years. (Each week, ESPN sends CBS a list of 4 or 9 games they're "protecting", CBS sends ESPN their Game of the Week from the rest of ESPN's inventory.) I doubt that any conference would object to their game moving from ESPN/2/ABC to CBS OTA.
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(12-20-2021 01:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 06:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2. They don't have to buy it out. The angle last under negotiation was some T2 and T3 ESPN/ABC product. We'll see.

That's a LOT of ESPN-U / ESPN+ garbage moving to CBS-SN and Paramount+ to add up to the value of the SEC Game of the Week in 2023.

Better idea: Sell the SEC GOTW 2023 to ESPN, sublicense one Top 5 or Top 10 game a week from the ESPN/ABC inventory for 5 or 6 or 10 or 12 years. (Each week, ESPN sends CBS a list of 4 or 9 games they're "protecting", CBS sends ESPN their Game of the Week from the rest of ESPN's inventory.) I doubt that any conference would object to their game moving from ESPN/2/ABC to CBS OTA.

Garbage? A 16 member SEC gives CBS a #3 pick at worst for a lineup which has Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and Texas A&M and most weeks at least one major draw in 25 million plus market and that's garbage? CBS would dumpster dive for that. The sticking point was said to be the duration of their right to said game, or put another way, how many years in exchange for 15 1st selection games.
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(12-20-2021 01:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 06:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2. They don't have to buy it out. The angle last under negotiation was some T2 and T3 ESPN/ABC product. We'll see.

That's a LOT of ESPN-U / ESPN+ garbage moving to CBS-SN and Paramount+ to add up to the value of the SEC Game of the Week in 2023.

Better idea: Sell the SEC GOTW 2023 to ESPN, sublicense one Top 5 or Top 10 game a week from the ESPN/ABC inventory for 5 or 6 or 10 or 12 years. (Each week, ESPN sends CBS a list of 4 or 9 games they're "protecting", CBS sends ESPN their Game of the Week from the rest of ESPN's inventory.) I doubt that any conference would object to their game moving from ESPN/2/ABC to CBS OTA.

Garbage? A 16 member SEC gives CBS a #3 pick at worst for a lineup which has Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and Texas A&M and most weeks at least one major draw in 25 million plus market and that's garbage? CBS would dumpster dive for that. The sticking point was said to be the duration of their right to said game, or put another way, how many years in exchange for 15 1st selection games.

OK, I misunderstood what you meant by T2/T3. Tier Two / Tier Three used to mean "games not worthy of putting on national cable, or barely worthy of national cable"
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(12-20-2021 01:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 06:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2. They don't have to buy it out. The angle last under negotiation was some T2 and T3 ESPN/ABC product. We'll see.

That's a LOT of ESPN-U / ESPN+ garbage moving to CBS-SN and Paramount+ to add up to the value of the SEC Game of the Week in 2023.

Better idea: Sell the SEC GOTW 2023 to ESPN, sublicense one Top 5 or Top 10 game a week from the ESPN/ABC inventory for 5 or 6 or 10 or 12 years. (Each week, ESPN sends CBS a list of 4 or 9 games they're "protecting", CBS sends ESPN their Game of the Week from the rest of ESPN's inventory.) I doubt that any conference would object to their game moving from ESPN/2/ABC to CBS OTA.

Garbage? A 16 member SEC gives CBS a #3 pick at worst for a lineup which has Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and Texas A&M and most weeks at least one major draw in 25 million plus market and that's garbage? CBS would dumpster dive for that. The sticking point was said to be the duration of their right to said game, or put another way, how many years in exchange for 15 1st selection games.

OK, I misunderstood what you meant by T2/T3. Tier Two / Tier Three used to mean "games not worthy of putting on national cable, or barely worthy of national cable"
Only some T3 ever meant that.

T1 is first pick, was first pick, and shall be first pick.
T2 is second picks, but for other platforms so it can be plural.
T3 used to mean rights or games retained by the schools, usually a buy game broadcasted on pay per view. When conferences pooled these games for broadcast and Conference Networks were born (BTN, SECN, PACN, and now ACCN) these became T3. Now that we have streaming options I'm not sure whether those games are T3 or not since T1/T2/and T3 games are streamed and since some of them are games not even broadcast on Conference Networks and might deserve a new category of T4.
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(12-20-2021 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 06:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2. They don't have to buy it out. The angle last under negotiation was some T2 and T3 ESPN/ABC product. We'll see.

That's a LOT of ESPN-U / ESPN+ garbage moving to CBS-SN and Paramount+ to add up to the value of the SEC Game of the Week in 2023.

Better idea: Sell the SEC GOTW 2023 to ESPN, sublicense one Top 5 or Top 10 game a week from the ESPN/ABC inventory for 5 or 6 or 10 or 12 years. (Each week, ESPN sends CBS a list of 4 or 9 games they're "protecting", CBS sends ESPN their Game of the Week from the rest of ESPN's inventory.) I doubt that any conference would object to their game moving from ESPN/2/ABC to CBS OTA.

Garbage? A 16 member SEC gives CBS a #3 pick at worst for a lineup which has Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and Texas A&M and most weeks at least one major draw in 25 million plus market and that's garbage? CBS would dumpster dive for that. The sticking point was said to be the duration of their right to said game, or put another way, how many years in exchange for 15 1st selection games.

OK, I misunderstood what you meant by T2/T3. Tier Two / Tier Three used to mean "games not worthy of putting on national cable, or barely worthy of national cable"
Only some T3 ever meant that.

T1 is first pick, was first pick, and shall be first pick.
T2 is second picks, but for other platforms so it can be plural.
T3 used to mean rights or games retained by the schools, usually a buy game broadcasted on pay per view. When conferences pooled these games for broadcast and Conference Networks were born (BTN, SECN, PACN, and now ACCN) these became T3. Now that we have streaming options I'm not sure whether those games are T3 or not since T1/T2/and T3 games are streamed and since some of them are games not even broadcast on Conference Networks and might deserve a new category of T4.

I think T1 / T2 /T3 stopped meaning much in the last 10 years, as the conferences and networks got more creative about splitting packages. T1 / T2 / T3 made sense when T1 was your Game of the Week, T2 was 2-3 games on ESPN, and T3 was what was left over. Now it's more like "ESPN and Fox split the first 30 picks, with Fox having 20 games and ESPN having 10 games, but ESPN gets first pick on 5 weekends. And ESPN can put no more than 5 of those 30 games on ESPN+
. ESPN has rights to the next 25 games, with the right to put 2 games a week on ESPN+, including the 5 games described above."


So like I said, T2/T3 aren't really useful terms today. When you included T3, I figured you were talking about CBS-SN quality games, and I didn't see how that could possibly come anywhere near matching the value of the SEC GOTW. But SEC GOTW for one year, vs 5 years of "One middle-of-the-road P5 game a week" for 5 years makes some kind of sense.
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(12-20-2021 02:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-20-2021 01:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  That's a LOT of ESPN-U / ESPN+ garbage moving to CBS-SN and Paramount+ to add up to the value of the SEC Game of the Week in 2023.

Better idea: Sell the SEC GOTW 2023 to ESPN, sublicense one Top 5 or Top 10 game a week from the ESPN/ABC inventory for 5 or 6 or 10 or 12 years. (Each week, ESPN sends CBS a list of 4 or 9 games they're "protecting", CBS sends ESPN their Game of the Week from the rest of ESPN's inventory.) I doubt that any conference would object to their game moving from ESPN/2/ABC to CBS OTA.

Garbage? A 16 member SEC gives CBS a #3 pick at worst for a lineup which has Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and Texas A&M and most weeks at least one major draw in 25 million plus market and that's garbage? CBS would dumpster dive for that. The sticking point was said to be the duration of their right to said game, or put another way, how many years in exchange for 15 1st selection games.

OK, I misunderstood what you meant by T2/T3. Tier Two / Tier Three used to mean "games not worthy of putting on national cable, or barely worthy of national cable"
Only some T3 ever meant that.

T1 is first pick, was first pick, and shall be first pick.
T2 is second picks, but for other platforms so it can be plural.
T3 used to mean rights or games retained by the schools, usually a buy game broadcasted on pay per view. When conferences pooled these games for broadcast and Conference Networks were born (BTN, SECN, PACN, and now ACCN) these became T3. Now that we have streaming options I'm not sure whether those games are T3 or not since T1/T2/and T3 games are streamed and since some of them are games not even broadcast on Conference Networks and might deserve a new category of T4.

I think T1 / T2 /T3 stopped meaning much in the last 10 years, as the conferences and networks got more creative about splitting packages. T1 / T2 / T3 made sense when T1 was your Game of the Week, T2 was 2-3 games on ESPN, and T3 was what was left over. Now it's more like "ESPN and Fox split the first 30 picks, with Fox having 20 games and ESPN having 10 games, but ESPN gets first pick on 5 weekends. And ESPN can put no more than 5 of those 30 games on ESPN+
. ESPN has rights to the next 25 games, with the right to put 2 games a week on ESPN+, including the 5 games described above."


So like I said, T2/T3 aren't really useful terms today. When you included T3, I figured you were talking about CBS-SN quality games, and I didn't see how that could possibly come anywhere near matching the value of the SEC GOTW. But SEC GOTW for one year, vs 5 years of "One middle-of-the-road P5 game a week" for 5 years makes some kind of sense.

It means one thing with the Pac 12 & ACC. While it contains roughly the same number of games, the SECN seems to get a higher pick in some cases than merely the leftovers. Big 10 has Tier II and III combined. With the Big 12, Tier III is merely one game for football. So it all depends on what conference.
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