(12-12-2021 05:10 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  

(12-10-2021 09:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We will be fine TV$ wise. Clearly will still be P5, and the upside is very good.

I agree wholeheartedly. I fully expect Cincy, UCF, Houston, and BYU to be among the top in the the B12 regarding winning percentage, attendance, and TV ratings. I expect all four schools to expand their football stadiums.

I removed Texas U and Oklahoma U from B12 attendance and then added the attendance of Cincy, UCF, Houston, and BYU and compared the result to PAC and ACC. The data is for 2019. 2020 was affected by COVID. Here is the result:

B12: 49,905
PAC: 46,080
ACC: 48,243

Here is the 2019 average attendance figures and football stadium capacity for Cincy, UCF, Houston, and BYU:

BYU: 59,547 attendance, 63,725 max capacity
HOUSTON: 25,518 attendance, 40,000 max capacity
UCF: 43,788 attendance, 45,301 max capacity
CINCINNATI: 35,985 attendance, 40,000 max capacity

It would not surprise me to see attendance jump 10,000 at Cincy, UCF, and BYU and double at Houston U. If that happens, the average B12 attendance of 49,905 increases to 56,072. The B12 average attendance with Texas U and Oklahoma U in 2019 was 57,467.

Let me give one example. Oklahoma played at Cincinnati in 2010 in Paul Brown Stadium. The game drew 58,253.

Second example. The Texas Tech at Houston U game attendance this season was 43,478.

Kansas U seems to have turned it around with their new coach. KU has been a killer with absolutely dismal attendance and TV ratings.

In the old Big-8, the other Big-8 schools would bring 10,000 fans to Boulder. That is the advantage of a tight geography. This is why I favor Colorado State in B12 rather than Boise State. Boise is a travel headache and the Broncos have not been strong in recent years. The argument for a strong winning BSU is lessened as the B12 has strong proven teams in BYU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati. And also Memphis would provide a travel partner for Iowa State.

Hope Jay Norvell can turn CSU around.

BIG-12 TRAVEL PARTNERS (with 14 teams):
BYU/CSU
Houston/Baylor
Texas Tech/TCU
OSU

KU/KSU
ISU/Memphis
WVA/Cincinnati
UCF

If Leipold does turn KU around, there will definitely be support, reducing the drag on the conference average.

(12-09-2021 11:00 AM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  The 2021 B12 Championship TV viewership and attendance is profound. The B1G, PAC, and ACC scheduling coalition had written off the B12. 2021 proved them wrong. 2021 Conference Championship game attendance was no different than 2019 and 2018. The B12 remains the 3rd ranked conference in terms of TV audience and attendance. I eliminated 2020 in the data below because it was a COVID year with many cancellations and fan interest waned.

TV viewership is followed by game attendance in data below.

YEAR 2021
B12: Baylor/OSU, 8.02M, 65,771
PAC: Utah/Oregon, 4.247, 56,511
ACC: Pitt/WF, 2.661M, 57,856
AAC: Cincy/Houston, 3.451M, 37,978

YEAR 2020 (COVID)

YEAR 2019
B12: OU/Baylor, 8.7M, 65,191
PAC: Oregon/Utah, 5.86M, 56,511
ACC: Clemson/VA, 3.97M, 66,810
AAC: Memphis/Cincy, 2.88M, 33,008

YEAR 2018
B12: OU/TX, 10.155M, 83,114
PAC: WA/Utah, 4.059M, 35,134
ACC: Clemson/Pitt, 4.236M, 67,784
AAC: UCF/Memphis, 3.321M, 45,176

The B12 will add the states of Ohio (11.69M population), Florida (21.48M population), and Utah (3.206M population). There are 6,592,195 Mormons in USA and 16,565,036 worldwide. Houston, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech provide a very strong presence in the state of Texas (29.2M population). This is the true "halo" effect. The B12 lost a substantial TV audience and the B12 has added a substantial TV audience. My guess is many Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU fans watched the B12 Conference Championship game, their future home.

couldn't watch all of it, since we were on our way to the nip! but, saw BU's goal line stand at the concession stand tvs - there was a roar through the stadium when that happened

Big 12 is going to be fine. Those numbers show it. Only going get better imo. No comparison between B12, PAC and ACC. New B12 hands down has the eyeballs.

(12-12-2021 05:10 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  

(12-10-2021 09:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We will be fine TV$ wise. Clearly will still be P5, and the upside is very good.

Here is the 2019 average attendance figures and football stadium capacity for Cincy, UCF, Houston, and BYU:

BYU: 59,547 attendance, 63,725 max capacity
HOUSTON: 25,518 attendance, 40,000 max capacity
UCF: 43,788 attendance, 45,301 max capacity
CINCINNATI: 35,985 attendance, 40,000 max capacity

It would not surprise me to see attendance jump 10,000 at Cincy, UCF, and BYU and double at Houston U. If that happens, the average B12 attendance of 49,905 increases to 56,072. The B12 average attendance with Texas U and Oklahoma U in 2019 was 57,467.

Let me give one example. Oklahoma played at Cincinnati in 2010 in Paul Brown Stadium. The game drew 58,253.

Second example. The Texas Tech at Houston U game attendance this season was 43,478.

Kansas U seems to have turned it around with their new coach. KU has been a killer with absolutely dismal attendance and TV ratings.

In the old Big-8, the other Big-8 schools would bring 10,000 fans to Boulder. That is the advantage of a tight geography. This is why I favor Colorado State in B12 rather than Boise State. Boise is a travel headache and the Broncos have not been strong in recent years. The argument for a strong winning BSU is lessened as the B12 has strong proven teams in BYU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati. And also Memphis would provide a travel partner for Iowa State.

Hope Jay Norvell can turn CSU around.

BIG-12 TRAVEL PARTNERS (with 14 teams):
BYU/CSU
Houston/Baylor
Texas Tech/TCU
OSU

KU/KSU
ISU/Memphis
WVA/Cincinnati
UCF

It's basically impossible for BYU, Cinci and UCF to increase their attendance by 10,000 per game as most games are at or close to a sellout to begin with.

UH will benefit the most from "visiting" attendance with so many TX teams now in their conf and playing in Houston...while UCF will see HUGEEEEE crowds of WVU grab almost any ticket on the secondary market making that game probably the highest tix price for a conf game at UCF in the Big 12.

Ucf needs to get moving on the improvements on the books. 2nd phase includes stadium work and some increased seating.

(12-20-2021 11:27 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-12-2021 05:10 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  

(12-10-2021 09:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We will be fine TV$ wise. Clearly will still be P5, and the upside is very good.

Here is the 2019 average attendance figures and football stadium capacity for Cincy, UCF, Houston, and BYU:

BYU: 59,547 attendance, 63,725 max capacity
HOUSTON: 25,518 attendance, 40,000 max capacity
UCF: 43,788 attendance, 45,301 max capacity
CINCINNATI: 35,985 attendance, 40,000 max capacity

It would not surprise me to see attendance jump 10,000 at Cincy, UCF, and BYU and double at Houston U. If that happens, the average B12 attendance of 49,905 increases to 56,072. The B12 average attendance with Texas U and Oklahoma U in 2019 was 57,467.

Let me give one example. Oklahoma played at Cincinnati in 2010 in Paul Brown Stadium. The game drew 58,253.

Second example. The Texas Tech at Houston U game attendance this season was 43,478.

Kansas U seems to have turned it around with their new coach. KU has been a killer with absolutely dismal attendance and TV ratings.

In the old Big-8, the other Big-8 schools would bring 10,000 fans to Boulder. That is the advantage of a tight geography. This is why I favor Colorado State in B12 rather than Boise State. Boise is a travel headache and the Broncos have not been strong in recent years. The argument for a strong winning BSU is lessened as the B12 has strong proven teams in BYU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati. And also Memphis would provide a travel partner for Iowa State.

Hope Jay Norvell can turn CSU around.

BIG-12 TRAVEL PARTNERS (with 14 teams):
BYU/CSU
Houston/Baylor
Texas Tech/TCU
OSU

KU/KSU
ISU/Memphis
WVA/Cincinnati
UCF

It's basically impossible for BYU, Cinci and UCF to increase their attendance by 10,000 per game as most games are at or close to a sellout to begin with.

UH will benefit the most from "visiting" attendance with so many TX teams now in their conf and playing in Houston...while UCF will see HUGEEEEE crowds of WVU grab almost any ticket on the secondary market making that game probably the highest tix price for a conf game at UCF in the Big 12.

How many tickets have been sold for the Gasparilla Bowl?

I attended the 2005 CUSA Conference Championship game in the Citrus Bowl with Tulsa/UCF. The attendance was 50,000. That was 16 years ago. The two gentleman sitting next to me were from Alabama. One was an Auburn grad; the other was an Alabama grad. Bringing in B12 teams and UCF getting 1-1 home and away P5 games with its enhanced B12 status, there is no doubt in my mind UCF football attendance is going to increase and substantially so. UCF is perfectly positioned to draw from the many retired people in Florida who like college football but cannot attend football games at their alma mater.

Until the campus stadiums are expanded, my guess is UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston will be putting a game or two in nearby NFL football stadiums.

The increased B12 conference revenue for BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati will help with financing stadium expansion.

(12-21-2021 10:54 AM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:27 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-12-2021 05:10 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  

(12-10-2021 09:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We will be fine TV$ wise. Clearly will still be P5, and the upside is very good.

Here is the 2019 average attendance figures and football stadium capacity for Cincy, UCF, Houston, and BYU:

BYU: 59,547 attendance, 63,725 max capacity
HOUSTON: 25,518 attendance, 40,000 max capacity
UCF: 43,788 attendance, 45,301 max capacity
CINCINNATI: 35,985 attendance, 40,000 max capacity

It would not surprise me to see attendance jump 10,000 at Cincy, UCF, and BYU and double at Houston U. If that happens, the average B12 attendance of 49,905 increases to 56,072. The B12 average attendance with Texas U and Oklahoma U in 2019 was 57,467.

Let me give one example. Oklahoma played at Cincinnati in 2010 in Paul Brown Stadium. The game drew 58,253.

Second example. The Texas Tech at Houston U game attendance this season was 43,478.

Kansas U seems to have turned it around with their new coach. KU has been a killer with absolutely dismal attendance and TV ratings.

In the old Big-8, the other Big-8 schools would bring 10,000 fans to Boulder. That is the advantage of a tight geography. This is why I favor Colorado State in B12 rather than Boise State. Boise is a travel headache and the Broncos have not been strong in recent years. The argument for a strong winning BSU is lessened as the B12 has strong proven teams in BYU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati. And also Memphis would provide a travel partner for Iowa State.

Hope Jay Norvell can turn CSU around.

BIG-12 TRAVEL PARTNERS (with 14 teams):
BYU/CSU
Houston/Baylor
Texas Tech/TCU
OSU

KU/KSU
ISU/Memphis
WVA/Cincinnati
UCF

It's basically impossible for BYU, Cinci and UCF to increase their attendance by 10,000 per game as most games are at or close to a sellout to begin with.

UH will benefit the most from "visiting" attendance with so many TX teams now in their conf and playing in Houston...while UCF will see HUGEEEEE crowds of WVU grab almost any ticket on the secondary market making that game probably the highest tix price for a conf game at UCF in the Big 12.

How many tickets have been sold for the Gasparilla Bowl?

I attended the 2005 CUSA Conference Championship game in the Citrus Bowl with Tulsa/UCF. The attendance was 50,000. That was 16 years ago. The two gentleman sitting next to me were from Alabama. One was an Auburn grad; the other was an Alabama grad. Bringing in B12 teams and UCF getting 1-1 home and away P5 games with its enhanced B12 status, there is no doubt in my mind UCF football attendance is going to increase and substantially so. UCF is perfectly positioned to draw from the many retired people in Florida who like college football but cannot attend football games at their alma mater.

Until the campus stadiums are expanded, my guess is UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston will be putting a game or two in nearby NFL football stadiums.

The increased B12 conference revenue for BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati will help with financing stadium expansion.

Unless they are actively renovating the stadium, I doubt UC moves any games to PBS. Using an older analysis, UC barely breaks even at PBS. UC is raising their ticket prices effective next season, that profit margin will further decrease. Moreover, Nippert is a great home field advantage. We’ve won 27 straight games there.

(12-07-2021 12:07 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  These are great numbers for New Big12!

The Big12 killed the PAC without OU and Texas. This is a great indicator that the New Big12 tv deal should be better than the PAC tv deal.

Maybe we can grab 2 PAC teams in realignment.

Only if one of them is USC.

(12-21-2021 10:54 AM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  How many tickets have been sold for the Gasparilla Bowl?

I attended the 2005 CUSA Conference Championship game in the Citrus Bowl with Tulsa/UCF. The attendance was 50,000. That was 16 years ago. The two gentleman sitting next to me were from Alabama. One was an Auburn grad; the other was an Alabama grad. Bringing in B12 teams and UCF getting 1-1 home and away P5 games with its enhanced B12 status, there is no doubt in my mind UCF football attendance is going to increase and substantially so. UCF is perfectly positioned to draw from the many retired people in Florida who like college football but cannot attend football games at their alma mater.

Until the campus stadiums are expanded, my guess is UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston will be putting a game or two in nearby NFL football stadiums.

The increased B12 conference revenue for BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati will help with financing stadium expansion.

Gasparilla Bowl sold-out immediately, as UCF kept asking for more tickets to sell as UCF was inundated with ticket request in just 48 hrs and thousands had to look elsewhere for tickets.

NOTE: Thousands missed kick off as traffic on I-4 from Orlando to Tampa was a crawl for much of the way and the Bowl didn't hire enough cops to direct traffic in//around the stadium (unlike the stadium does for Bucs games) so some fans parked over a mile away and walked faster than the cars stuck in traffic.