(12-07-2021 01:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 12:09 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:39 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 09:55 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 09:16 AM)Outsider Wrote:  When you aren't seen as part of the local community, it's hard to get the local community to care enough to come watch you play.

I’m not getting this comment. Are you talking about ACU? And why aren’t you all seen as part of the local community? I know in Texas y’all have so many schools to compete with but I’m ignorant to why ACU wouldn’t be endeared too at least a portion of the local community. Unless you’re talking about another school.

I think he is talking about ACU. And its an old problem for lots of private schools. But Abilene Texas and ACU seem like a place absolutely made for each other.

If the town doesnt embrace them, I would imagine the town thinks they are too snooty, few native students from Abilene attending possibly, most graduates probably leave the area after graduation. All common problems. Also, Abilene hasn't been "big" for a long time, so sports fans already have their teams and aren't adding another. And, sometimes townies don't like the growth and feel like the local private school is rich and gets whatever it wants, causing resentment. That happens with public's too, but its worse with privates.

Any of those apply here Outsider?

That's absolutely correct. The Abilene townsfolk call ACU "The Hill". ACU sits on a small hill in the corner of the town. It was always seen as some snobby private school and the two didn't ever mix really well. Now, that is a stereotype, but like all, it comes with some truth. ACU has tried to reach out, but the students and faculty don't always mix very much with the general population. Most of the students come from other metroplex areas and they often go home on the weekends. Also, ACU doesn't always do a good job of doing activities with the town. We are definitely part of the town, but that dynamic has had a hard time dying. Abilene has 3 different private universities: Hardin Simmons, ACU and McMurry. All 3 have the same issue to a degree, but ACU has always been a little more distant. Unlike state schools that get more direct money from the state and feed off of their communities, Private ones often look to their student and donor base wherever that may be. Often that base is spread out and not necessarily local. So, you get a small private school with an on-campus student population of 5k or below, mixed with a town that doesn't do much with the school in general, and you get low turnouts for sporting events. Shoot, I talk to other alum at games sometimes and they say, nah I don't feel like driving into town next weekend, etc... And that is when they already have season tickets/seats. Our basketball program has improved excitement some as it has gotten better. I see some people from town joining. I just think it will always be a slow and limited process. That's part of the reason that we actually reduced capacity by several hundred seats in our new renovation to make the arena better. If we can get the right people and improve atmosphere, that won't always mean better numbers.

If it were the only college in town it might be a little easier to follow "the local college." I have no idea what people are like in Abilene, or what the general level of education or income is, or what the big industries are, so that would probably have a lot to do with it.

And yeah, I'd guess NMSU is leading the revenue category by a big margin.

At roughly 125k, by and large, Abilene is a blue-collar town: ranchers, farmers, oil workers, small local industry workers and local business employees etc.... Besides the 3 private universities, it has two small public colleges. For the most part, Abilene is full of high school football people and high school sports in general. Also, yes, you will see a UT, A&M or Tech shirt before most others. Texas Tech has a health science campus here next to the hospital. The 3 local private universities won't get a large portion of its people to games. Heck, the high school sports still get more airtime on local news and papers. ACU is beginning to show Abilene that it is bringing a quality DI product right to their hometown, but it's still only reaching a small portion.

**I'll add that remember that Abilene was a large part of the book and movie "Friday Night Lights". Gaines, who was the coach portrayed, was also a coach at ACU. Two Abilene high school games were featured in the movie.**

(12-07-2021 06:46 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:45 AM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  I wish we could see which school brings in the most revenue per game. I bet GCU would be dead last haha

Hmm... let me see if I can make an educated guess for GCU.
I pay about $18 dollars/per game ($320/18 games = $17.78/game) for my seats. My seats are in the lower section with higher priced seats closer to the court (around $30/game) and lower above (around $12/game). The balcony seats run about $6/game. Courtside is around $60/game.
Beyond their activities fee, students do pay something to be a Havoc but it is minimal so we will not count the approximate 3,500 seats reserved for them. We also will not count another 200 seats that are likely saved for special occasions and/or visiting teams.
This leaves us with 3,300 seats that are sold out for each and every game. A rough estimate would break them down as follows:

$9,600/game for upper balcony (1,600 seats)
$2,400/game for courtside (40 seats)
$7,500/game for low tier bowl seats (250 seats)
$9,000/game for mid-tier lower bowl seats(500 seats)
$10,920/game for upper-tier lower bowl seats (910 seats)
Estimated Total: $39,420/game

This does not include the income from the five concession stands that are running throughout the game nor the income from the Lopes merch store. I do know popcorn costs you $4.50 (which is almost all profit) so just selling 1,000 bags of popcorn would net you around $4,500 dollars. I am guessing the concession stands likely bring in another $10-$15 grand/game in profit.

Estimated grand total around $50,000/game.

That's not a lot, but I am fairly sure GCU would not be at the bottom of the WAC with those numbers. Plus this does not include any of the intangibles that are hard to quantify monetarily.

I like the breakdown, thanks. Selling any mix of those 3,300 seats would be a dream for many schools.

Of course, KINGALLISON didn't really think GCU would be last in the conference in game revenue. Everyone knows GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck Jk.

(12-07-2021 10:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 06:46 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:45 AM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  I wish we could see which school brings in the most revenue per game. I bet GCU would be dead last haha

Hmm... let me see if I can make an educated guess for GCU.
I pay about $18 dollars/per game ($320/18 games = $17.78/game) for my seats. My seats are in the lower section with higher priced seats closer to the court (around $30/game) and lower above (around $12/game). The balcony seats run about $6/game. Courtside is around $60/game.
Beyond their activities fee, students do pay something to be a Havoc but it is minimal so we will not count the approximate 3,500 seats reserved for them. We also will not count another 200 seats that are likely saved for special occasions and/or visiting teams.
This leaves us with 3,300 seats that are sold out for each and every game. A rough estimate would break them down as follows:

$9,600/game for upper balcony (1,600 seats)
$2,400/game for courtside (40 seats)
$7,500/game for low tier bowl seats (250 seats)
$9,000/game for mid-tier lower bowl seats(500 seats)
$10,920/game for upper-tier lower bowl seats (910 seats)
Estimated Total: $39,420/game

This does not include the income from the five concession stands that are running throughout the game nor the income from the Lopes merch store. I do know popcorn costs you $4.50 (which is almost all profit) so just selling 1,000 bags of popcorn would net you around $4,500 dollars. I am guessing the concession stands likely bring in another $10-$15 grand/game in profit.

Estimated grand total around $50,000/game.

That's not a lot, but I am fairly sure GCU would not be at the bottom of the WAC with those numbers. Plus this does not include any of the intangibles that are hard to quantify monetarily.

I like the breakdown, thanks. Selling any mix of those 3,300 seats would be a dream for many schools.

Of course, KINGALLISON didn't really think GCU would be last in the conference in game revenue. Everyone knows GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck Jk.

No kidding needed. I think GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck.

(12-08-2021 12:51 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 10:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 06:46 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:45 AM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  I wish we could see which school brings in the most revenue per game. I bet GCU would be dead last haha

Hmm... let me see if I can make an educated guess for GCU.
I pay about $18 dollars/per game ($320/18 games = $17.78/game) for my seats. My seats are in the lower section with higher priced seats closer to the court (around $30/game) and lower above (around $12/game). The balcony seats run about $6/game. Courtside is around $60/game.
Beyond their activities fee, students do pay something to be a Havoc but it is minimal so we will not count the approximate 3,500 seats reserved for them. We also will not count another 200 seats that are likely saved for special occasions and/or visiting teams.
This leaves us with 3,300 seats that are sold out for each and every game. A rough estimate would break them down as follows:

$9,600/game for upper balcony (1,600 seats)
$2,400/game for courtside (40 seats)
$7,500/game for low tier bowl seats (250 seats)
$9,000/game for mid-tier lower bowl seats(500 seats)
$10,920/game for upper-tier lower bowl seats (910 seats)
Estimated Total: $39,420/game

This does not include the income from the five concession stands that are running throughout the game nor the income from the Lopes merch store. I do know popcorn costs you $4.50 (which is almost all profit) so just selling 1,000 bags of popcorn would net you around $4,500 dollars. I am guessing the concession stands likely bring in another $10-$15 grand/game in profit.

Estimated grand total around $50,000/game.

That's not a lot, but I am fairly sure GCU would not be at the bottom of the WAC with those numbers. Plus this does not include any of the intangibles that are hard to quantify monetarily.

I like the breakdown, thanks. Selling any mix of those 3,300 seats would be a dream for many schools.

Of course, KINGALLISON didn't really think GCU would be last in the conference in game revenue. Everyone knows GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck Jk.

No kidding needed. I think GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck.

How many of those 3,300 seats are just given away each game? Probably at least half of them.

(12-07-2021 05:32 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 12:57 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:45 AM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  I wish we could see which school brings in the most revenue per game. I bet GCU would be dead last haha

This is a good point. Aggie tickets are at a premium with most seats starting at $15. NMSU certainly raking in the most revenue.

I've been making the argument to SFA that we should prioritize butts in seats over ticket price. And honestly, there's probably a ticket price where both are maximized and I don't think it's our $15 a seat pricing.

I'd also prefer to know which of these are scans vs all tickets sold.

I couldn't agree more with your take that the price point is too high and is not maximizing either. I blogged about this exact debate at NMSU: https://www.nmstatenation.com/post/missi...ggie-games

(12-08-2021 12:17 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:51 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 10:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 06:46 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:45 AM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  I wish we could see which school brings in the most revenue per game. I bet GCU would be dead last haha

Hmm... let me see if I can make an educated guess for GCU.
I pay about $18 dollars/per game ($320/18 games = $17.78/game) for my seats. My seats are in the lower section with higher priced seats closer to the court (around $30/game) and lower above (around $12/game). The balcony seats run about $6/game. Courtside is around $60/game.
Beyond their activities fee, students do pay something to be a Havoc but it is minimal so we will not count the approximate 3,500 seats reserved for them. We also will not count another 200 seats that are likely saved for special occasions and/or visiting teams.
This leaves us with 3,300 seats that are sold out for each and every game. A rough estimate would break them down as follows:

$9,600/game for upper balcony (1,600 seats)
$2,400/game for courtside (40 seats)
$7,500/game for low tier bowl seats (250 seats)
$9,000/game for mid-tier lower bowl seats(500 seats)
$10,920/game for upper-tier lower bowl seats (910 seats)
Estimated Total: $39,420/game

This does not include the income from the five concession stands that are running throughout the game nor the income from the Lopes merch store. I do know popcorn costs you $4.50 (which is almost all profit) so just selling 1,000 bags of popcorn would net you around $4,500 dollars. I am guessing the concession stands likely bring in another $10-$15 grand/game in profit.

Estimated grand total around $50,000/game.

That's not a lot, but I am fairly sure GCU would not be at the bottom of the WAC with those numbers. Plus this does not include any of the intangibles that are hard to quantify monetarily.

I like the breakdown, thanks. Selling any mix of those 3,300 seats would be a dream for many schools.

Of course, KINGALLISON didn't really think GCU would be last in the conference in game revenue. Everyone knows GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck Jk.

No kidding needed. I think GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck.

How many of those 3,300 seats are just given away each game? Probably at least half of them.

None are given away. GCU used to do that during their transition to D1 to help fill the seats (smart move in my opinion). That's also back when season tickets were only about $5/game. Starting in the 2018-19 season GCU started slowly raising the season ticket prices to what they are now. This year they even started a waiting list for those who want season tickets but cannot get them.

(12-08-2021 12:38 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 05:32 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 12:57 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:45 AM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  I wish we could see which school brings in the most revenue per game. I bet GCU would be dead last haha

This is a good point. Aggie tickets are at a premium with most seats starting at $15. NMSU certainly raking in the most revenue.

I've been making the argument to SFA that we should prioritize butts in seats over ticket price. And honestly, there's probably a ticket price where both are maximized and I don't think it's our $15 a seat pricing.

I'd also prefer to know which of these are scans vs all tickets sold.

I couldn't agree more with your take that the price point is too high and is not maximizing either. I blogged about this exact debate at NMSU: https://www.nmstatenation.com/post/missi...ggie-games

Lol we were on the same wavelength that week. 1st 3-5 posts on this thread is me breaking down the ticket pricing and speculating about induced demand from cheaper tickets:

https://sfasawmill.com/forums/5/topics/2094/1

Meanwhile, I happened to give my season tickets away last week(which are about $6 a game) to a JR High basketball coach last week, who mentioned wanting to bring their team. I called the ticket office and was able to work a deal to get the whole team there for $5 a ticket.

How come that isn't the pricing right out of the gate? Let's fill up those baseline sections.

Same for football. Nobody ever sits on the visitors side(other than the band), because it's hotter than the surface of the sun. Why aren't those tickets $3? That's the side the TV sees, lets fill it up and let folks get in the doors.

Nac has an average income of like 38k per household, and we've priced a lot of people out.

(12-08-2021 02:08 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:17 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:51 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 10:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 06:46 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  Hmm... let me see if I can make an educated guess for GCU.
I pay about $18 dollars/per game ($320/18 games = $17.78/game) for my seats. My seats are in the lower section with higher priced seats closer to the court (around $30/game) and lower above (around $12/game). The balcony seats run about $6/game. Courtside is around $60/game.
Beyond their activities fee, students do pay something to be a Havoc but it is minimal so we will not count the approximate 3,500 seats reserved for them. We also will not count another 200 seats that are likely saved for special occasions and/or visiting teams.
This leaves us with 3,300 seats that are sold out for each and every game. A rough estimate would break them down as follows:

$9,600/game for upper balcony (1,600 seats)
$2,400/game for courtside (40 seats)
$7,500/game for low tier bowl seats (250 seats)
$9,000/game for mid-tier lower bowl seats(500 seats)
$10,920/game for upper-tier lower bowl seats (910 seats)
Estimated Total: $39,420/game

This does not include the income from the five concession stands that are running throughout the game nor the income from the Lopes merch store. I do know popcorn costs you $4.50 (which is almost all profit) so just selling 1,000 bags of popcorn would net you around $4,500 dollars. I am guessing the concession stands likely bring in another $10-$15 grand/game in profit.

Estimated grand total around $50,000/game.

That's not a lot, but I am fairly sure GCU would not be at the bottom of the WAC with those numbers. Plus this does not include any of the intangibles that are hard to quantify monetarily.

I like the breakdown, thanks. Selling any mix of those 3,300 seats would be a dream for many schools.

Of course, KINGALLISON didn't really think GCU would be last in the conference in game revenue. Everyone knows GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck Jk.

No kidding needed. I think GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck.

How many of those 3,300 seats are just given away each game? Probably at least half of them.

None are given away. GCU used to do that during their transition to D1 to help fill the seats (smart move in my opinion). That's also back when season tickets were only about $5/game. Starting in the 2018-19 season GCU started slowly raising the season ticket prices to what they are now. This year they even started a waiting list for those who want season tickets but cannot get them.

The price for season tickets for GCU is $83-$175 so you might need to redo your math a little.

(12-08-2021 03:54 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 02:08 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:17 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:51 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 10:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  I like the breakdown, thanks. Selling any mix of those 3,300 seats would be a dream for many schools.

Of course, KINGALLISON didn't really think GCU would be last in the conference in game revenue. Everyone knows GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck Jk.

No kidding needed. I think GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck.

How many of those 3,300 seats are just given away each game? Probably at least half of them.

None are given away. GCU used to do that during their transition to D1 to help fill the seats (smart move in my opinion). That's also back when season tickets were only about $5/game. Starting in the 2018-19 season GCU started slowly raising the season ticket prices to what they are now. This year they even started a waiting list for those who want season tickets but cannot get them.

The price for season tickets for GCU is $83-$175 so you might need to redo your math a little.

That sounds like the 2018-19 season prices. Let me know your source and perhaps I can ask for a refund!

(12-08-2021 04:15 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 03:54 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 02:08 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:17 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:51 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  No kidding needed. I think GCU is the master of knowing how to make a buck.

How many of those 3,300 seats are just given away each game? Probably at least half of them.

None are given away. GCU used to do that during their transition to D1 to help fill the seats (smart move in my opinion). That's also back when season tickets were only about $5/game. Starting in the 2018-19 season GCU started slowly raising the season ticket prices to what they are now. This year they even started a waiting list for those who want season tickets but cannot get them.

The price for season tickets for GCU is $83-$175 so you might need to redo your math a little.

That sounds like the 2018-19 season prices. Let me know your source and perhaps I can ask for a refund!

I took it straight from your website.

(12-07-2021 05:32 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 12:57 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:45 AM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  I wish we could see which school brings in the most revenue per game. I bet GCU would be dead last haha

This is a good point. Aggie tickets are at a premium with most seats starting at $15. NMSU certainly raking in the most revenue.

I've been making the argument to SFA that we should prioritize butts in seats over ticket price. And honestly, there's probably a ticket price where both are maximized and I don't think it's our $15 a seat pricing.

I'd also prefer to know which of these are scans vs all tickets sold.

(12-08-2021 02:25 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:38 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 05:32 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 12:57 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 11:45 AM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  I wish we could see which school brings in the most revenue per game. I bet GCU would be dead last haha

This is a good point. Aggie tickets are at a premium with most seats starting at $15. NMSU certainly raking in the most revenue.

I've been making the argument to SFA that we should prioritize butts in seats over ticket price. And honestly, there's probably a ticket price where both are maximized and I don't think it's our $15 a seat pricing.

I'd also prefer to know which of these are scans vs all tickets sold.

I couldn't agree more with your take that the price point is too high and is not maximizing either. I blogged about this exact debate at NMSU: https://www.nmstatenation.com/post/missi...ggie-games

Lol we were on the same wavelength that week. 1st 3-5 posts on this thread is me breaking down the ticket pricing and speculating about induced demand from cheaper tickets:

https://sfasawmill.com/forums/5/topics/2094/1

Meanwhile, I happened to give my season tickets away last week(which are about $6 a game) to a JR High basketball coach last week, who mentioned wanting to bring their team. I called the ticket office and was able to work a deal to get the whole team there for $5 a ticket.

How come that isn't the pricing right out of the gate? Let's fill up those baseline sections.

Same for football. Nobody ever sits on the visitors side(other than the band), because it's hotter than the surface of the sun. Why aren't those tickets $3? That's the side the TV sees, lets fill it up and let folks get in the doors.

Nac has an average income of like 38k per household, and we've priced a lot of people out.

Haha yep, same page. I think both of our communities are similar. Funny our visitors side at our football stadium is also directly in the sun.

Charge a premium for the best seats but to not have an affordable option for families in a non-affluent city? Not ideal.

I like your thinking.

It comes down to pricing strategy. Here's a reason places do what they do. They don't want to price it too low because people begin to think of those sporting event tickets at that school as things that have no value and are practically given away, which can actually hurt the image of the department and the school. And it may make it harder to fund raise.

If local company ABC Inc donates a $5000 a year to be in the Chancellors Club or whatever it's called, it may come with 5 sets of season tickets to good seats in basketball. The company could use them as incentive for employees, to take out of town guests, as a giveaway etc. The perceived value of the tickets makes their "donation" worth it to them.

Now, if other tickets are routinely given away for $3, it makes the most loyal and generous donors feel like dupes be cause they are paying a lot for tickets anyone can get for peanuts. Perhaps not the exact same seat, but its irritating to know you paid $50 when the family of kids kicking your seat behind you paid $20 for all 4 because they had a Groupon...

ABC Inc may still buy some season tickets and skip the $5000 Chancellor Club membership because the employees like the ticket giveaways, but ABC can keep doing it for a few hundred dollars.

Its a really tricky balancing act with a lot of adjacent factors coming into play. The more value you can keep wrapped up into fundraising "levels" etc the better. People may join at the Chancellor Level because it comes with a wide variety of benefits, including season tickets. Make the tickets feel like $5 nothings, and it makes it a harder sell. Company's won't "donate" $5K for a free t shirt and a certificate. They will "join" to support the school, get the tickets, get an invite to the AD Luncheon each quarter, get the special newsletter, exclusive school apparel, and first crack at buying tickets to tournament games etc. Individually, none of things are that valuable, but packaged right they can be.

There's entire courses in fundraising dedicated to perceived value.

(12-08-2021 04:52 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 04:15 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 03:54 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 02:08 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2021 12:17 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  How many of those 3,300 seats are just given away each game? Probably at least half of them.

None are given away. GCU used to do that during their transition to D1 to help fill the seats (smart move in my opinion). That's also back when season tickets were only about $5/game. Starting in the 2018-19 season GCU started slowly raising the season ticket prices to what they are now. This year they even started a waiting list for those who want season tickets but cannot get them.

The price for season tickets for GCU is $83-$175 so you might need to redo your math a little.

That sounds like the 2018-19 season prices. Let me know your source and perhaps I can ask for a refund!

I took it straight from your website.

Link please. I must plead extreme incompetence since I cannot find it on GCU's website. How can I get my refund if I have no evidence I was robbed?