I'm guessing UL gets with SDST's loss. Or it still could go to UTSA. I don't think Houston can get it because they didn't win the conference. Is that correct? They actually could end up being higher ranked than either team.

(12-04-2021 08:13 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm guessing UL gets with SDST's loss. Or it still could go to UTSA. I don't think Houston can get it because they didn't win the conference. Is that correct? They actually could end up being higher ranked than either team.

Cincy. They ain't giving access past the playoff.

(12-04-2021 08:14 PM)FormerShasta Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:13 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm guessing UL gets with SDST's loss. Or it still could go to UTSA. I don't think Houston can get it because they didn't win the conference. Is that correct? They actually could end up being higher ranked than either team.

Cincy. They ain't giving access past the playoff.

Correct...the CFP games are considered NY6 games.

BYU is the only non-P5 team that has a chance, but I doubt they would get selected (unless the Fiesta Bowl thinks they can draw some fans).

BYU can get chosen as an at large but they don’t get the access game since they are not in a G5 conference.

No one gets a NY6 bowl bid. UC gets into CFP as the G5 highest rated champ.

(12-04-2021 08:19 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  No one gets a NY6 bowl bid. UC gets into CFP as the G5 highest rated champ.

This. The Access goes to the highest ranked G5 champ. that is Cincy who hopefully won't take it .

(12-04-2021 08:13 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm guessing UL gets with SDST's loss. Or it still could go to UTSA. I don't think Houston can get it because they didn't win the conference. Is that correct? They actually could end up being higher ranked than either team.

No one.
Cincinnati is going to the playoff

The CFP SemiFinal slot IS an NY6 slot.
Cincinnati getting the CFP SemiFinal IS the highest ranked champion of a non-contract-bowl conference getting an NY6 slot. BLock checked.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand...

(12-04-2021 08:14 PM)FormerShasta Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:13 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm guessing UL gets with SDST's loss. Or it still could go to UTSA. I don't think Houston can get it because they didn't win the conference. Is that correct? They actually could end up being higher ranked than either team.

Cincy. They ain't giving access past the playoff.

So two G5 teams are never going to make the NY6 if that's the case. If both Houston and UC were undefeated, I wonder if they both would have been in a NY6 game.

(12-04-2021 08:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:14 PM)FormerShasta Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:13 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm guessing UL gets with SDST's loss. Or it still could go to UTSA. I don't think Houston can get it because they didn't win the conference. Is that correct? They actually could end up being higher ranked than either team.

Cincy. They ain't giving access past the playoff.

So two G5 teams are never going to make the NY6 if that's the case. If both Houston and UC were undefeated, I wonder if they both would have been in a NY6 game.

Doubtful. The second would have to get an at large invite and that would be long shot at best.

(12-04-2021 08:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:14 PM)FormerShasta Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:13 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm guessing UL gets with SDST's loss. Or it still could go to UTSA. I don't think Houston can get it because they didn't win the conference. Is that correct? They actually could end up being higher ranked than either team.

Cincy. They ain't giving access past the playoff.

So two G5 teams are never going to make the NY6 if that's the case. If both Houston and UC were undefeated, I wonder if they both would have been in a NY6 game.

Well, they couldn't have both been undefeated - they just played.

Other threads included theorizing about Houston winning getting the NY6 slot alloted to the highest ranked champion of a non-contract-bowl conference and Cincinnati still being ranked high enough to get an at-large bid...highly unlikely this year, with the last at-large bid probably being gone at #8/#9.
With this year's rankings, and IF the SemiFinals were Rose and Sugar, so that Cotton/Peach/Fiesta were all in play for six "at-large" spots...if Houston had won to take the non-contract-bowl-conference champion slot...hmmmm...assuming a Michigan win also and therefore Bama/Michigan/UGA/ND in the semis...Houston would get one slot; Utah gets an at-large makeup for the Rose; Baylor gets an at-large makeup for the Sugar; ACC champ gets Orange is ACC champ vs next-highest B10/SEC, so Ohio State;...three at-large slots left for upset victim one-loss Cincinnati to stay ahead of BigXII runner-up by inches 2-loss Oklahoma State (who was already poised to pass them if they both won), two-loss Michigan State (who had been ranked ahead of them in previous committee rankings), and two-loss BYU (who has wins over PAC champ Utah, four other PAC teams, and BigXII champ Baylor)....and I see Cincinnati ranked #11 or #12 and NOT getting an NY6 slot.

Esoterically, that's not "P5" bias, that's existing NY6 Bowl contract bias.
In previous years, teams in the top 12 have missed out on NY6 bowl bids, not so much because the "G5" champ stole a bid, but because a contract-bowl compensation bid went to a conference #2 outside the top 12, or last year specifically, PAC12 champ was as low as #25.

(12-04-2021 09:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:14 PM)FormerShasta Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:13 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm guessing UL gets with SDST's loss. Or it still could go to UTSA. I don't think Houston can get it because they didn't win the conference. Is that correct? They actually could end up being higher ranked than either team.

Cincy. They ain't giving access past the playoff.

So two G5 teams are never going to make the NY6 if that's the case. If both Houston and UC were undefeated, I wonder if they both would have been in a NY6 game.

Well, they couldn't have both been undefeated - they just played.

Other threads included theorizing about Houston winning getting the NY6 slot alloted to the highest ranked champion of a non-contract-bowl conference and Cincinnati still being ranked high enough to get an at-large bid...highly unlikely this year, with the last at-large bid probably being gone at #8/#9.
With this year's rankings, and IF the SemiFinals were Rose and Sugar, so that Cotton/Peach/Fiesta were all in play for six "at-large" spots...if Houston had won to take the non-contract-bowl-conference champion slot...hmmmm...assuming a Michigan win also and therefore Bama/Michigan/UGA/ND in the semis...Houston would get one slot; Utah gets an at-large makeup for the Rose; Baylor gets an at-large makeup for the Sugar; ACC champ gets Orange is ACC champ vs next-highest B10/SEC, so Ohio State;...three at-large slots left for upset victim one-loss Cincinnati to stay ahead of BigXII runner-up by inches 2-loss Oklahoma State (who was already poised to pass them if they both won), two-loss Michigan State (who had been ranked ahead of them in previous committee rankings), and two-loss BYU (who has wins over PAC champ Utah, four other PAC teams, and BigXII champ Baylor)....and I see Cincinnati ranked #11 or #12 and NOT getting an NY6 slot.

Esoterically, that's not "P5" bias, that's existing NY6 Bowl contract bias.
In previous years, teams in the top 12 have missed out on NY6 bowl bids, not so much because the "G5" champ stole a bid, but because a contract-bowl compensation bid went to a conference #2 outside the top 12, or last year specifically, PAC12 champ was as low as #25.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. And yes, I meant to say both UC and Houston undefeated prior to the game today. We don't know where an undefeated Houston team would have been ranked prior to today's game. That said, I'm not certain UC doesn't get the nod over Oklahoma State since their only loss would have come to the only undefeated team left in Houston. That and the win of CFP bound ND, using that hypothetical scenario.

Best chance for two Non-contract conference teams to make the NY6 would be to have two unbeaten from different conferences and a solid SOS.

Houston would have qualified this year for example if they won their games against Cincinnati and TxTech (but might not have made the playoffs).

UTSA didn’t have the SOS this year for an at large but could have swung the access spot at 13-0 if it had been a down year for the AAC. (Like it was for the MWC)

And yes the 12-1 Houston/Cincinnati combo had a small chance at an at-large but would have been a stretch.

(12-05-2021 11:20 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Best chance for two Non-contract conference teams to make the NY6 would be to have two unbeaten from different conferences and a solid SOS.

Houston would have qualified this year for example if they won their games against Cincinnati and TxTech (but might not have made the playoffs).

UTSA didn’t have the SOS this year for an at large but could have swung the access spot at 13-0 if it had been a down year for the AAC. (Like it was for the MWC)

And yes the 12-1 Houston/Cincinnati combo had a small chance at an at-large but would have been a stretch.

Chances are slim to none. Reason is that after the highest ranked G5 conference champion. The NY6 bowl slots are chosen by P conference champions not in playoffs, their runner ups and then who ever the bowls wants to invite. They will go for bigger names teams with more fans to travel is all a money decision. This is why you won’t see two of those schools invited.
There would be a bigger chance of that happening in a 12 team playoff where the 6 at large at chosen based on ranks.