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RE: CUSA 2021 Championship Game! UTSA vs WKU
(12-04-2021 12:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Congrats UTSA. Teams going to the AAC have now won the last 5 Conference USA football titles. Pretty good for market schools !

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(12-04-2021 01:30 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 01:10 PM)Franko Wrote:  Wanna ask WKU fans something though. When you've got 577 yards through the air and are -9 on the ground, do you think that makes it difficult for you to recruit running backs? I know it makes it easier to get your hands on a quality QB and maybe receivers, but it seems it would make it really difficult to attract a running back to your program when you're that one-dimensional. In terms of whether it's better to have an air-raid offense or a more balanced attack, I suppose it comes down to philosophy, and while I'm not sure what the right answer is, we did beat you twice this year in two very close games.

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The rushing total from this game is jaded for a couple of reasons. When you are down 29 you are not coming back against a team like UTSA by running the ball especially when you have the most prolific QB in the nation.
The -35 on the 2 bad snaps was huge, those were drive killers and put a huge dent in your rushing numbers.
The "one-dimensional" notion is somewhat of a misnomer. The WKU running game was productive when used, 157 yards vs Marshall, 100 yards against FAU. The top 4 running backs all had a respectable yards per carry average. Whittington 5.0, Cofield, 4.7, Robichaux 4.7 and Moses 5.7. Compare that to the 3 top rushers in CUSA for total yards. McCormick 5.0. Ali, 5.4 and Torrey 4.9.
Whittington is a freshman, Robichaux is a freshman, Moses is a sophomore (reportedly in the transfer portal), and Cofield is the only one not a freshman or sophomore, grad transfer, also they have Jamale Carrothers, a sophomore, who was Navy's leading rusher the year before. Obviously other backs can be signed or transfer in or out but I don't think it is a major concern. More concerned about a QB developing that would be 3/4 as good as Zappe has been.

You guys only averaged 3.8 yards/carry for the season though. And you averaged 435 yards through the air on the season, and only 94 on the ground. In fact, your average per carry is #125 of 130 FBS teams. So yes, it's very one-dimensional.

Compare that to us. We averaged 4.6 yards/carry for the season, 254 through the air per game, and 189 per game on the ground.

I think that if given the choice between being primarily a ground team such as Army or a passing team such as yourselves, I'd go with the passing attack because you can score quickly when needed, even though Army beat you guys also. But it seems that most programs in college and in the NFL opt to go with a more balanced approach rather than be at one extreme or the other. And I honestly can't remember this, but has an air-raid offense ever won a national championship, or even come close?
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Yards per game is indeed 125th but yards per carry of 3.8 is somewhat below the middle same as Rice and UTEP from CUSA.
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(12-04-2021 03:48 PM)Franko Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 01:30 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 01:10 PM)Franko Wrote:  Wanna ask WKU fans something though. When you've got 577 yards through the air and are -9 on the ground, do you think that makes it difficult for you to recruit running backs? I know it makes it easier to get your hands on a quality QB and maybe receivers, but it seems it would make it really difficult to attract a running back to your program when you're that one-dimensional. In terms of whether it's better to have an air-raid offense or a more balanced attack, I suppose it comes down to philosophy, and while I'm not sure what the right answer is, we did beat you twice this year in two very close games.

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The rushing total from this game is jaded for a couple of reasons. When you are down 29 you are not coming back against a team like UTSA by running the ball especially when you have the most prolific QB in the nation.
The -35 on the 2 bad snaps was huge, those were drive killers and put a huge dent in your rushing numbers.
The "one-dimensional" notion is somewhat of a misnomer. The WKU running game was productive when used, 157 yards vs Marshall, 100 yards against FAU. The top 4 running backs all had a respectable yards per carry average. Whittington 5.0, Cofield, 4.7, Robichaux 4.7 and Moses 5.7. Compare that to the 3 top rushers in CUSA for total yards. McCormick 5.0. Ali, 5.4 and Torrey 4.9.
Whittington is a freshman, Robichaux is a freshman, Moses is a sophomore (reportedly in the transfer portal), and Cofield is the only one not a freshman or sophomore, grad transfer, also they have Jamale Carrothers, a sophomore, who was Navy's leading rusher the year before. Obviously other backs can be signed or transfer in or out but I don't think it is a major concern. More concerned about a QB developing that would be 3/4 as good as Zappe has been.

You guys only averaged 3.8 yards/carry for the season though. And you averaged 435 yards through the air on the season, and only 94 on the ground. In fact, your average per carry is #125 of 130 FBS teams. So yes, it's very one-dimensional.

Compare that to us. We averaged 4.6 yards/carry for the season, 254 through the air per game, and 189 per game on the ground.

I think that if given the choice between being primarily a ground team such as Army or a passing team such as yourselves, I'd go with the passing attack because you can score quickly when needed, even though Army beat you guys also. But it seems that most programs in college and in the NFL opt to go with a more balanced approach rather than be at one extreme or the other. And I honestly can't remember this, but has an air-raid offense ever won a national championship, or even come close?
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Yards per game is indeed 125th but yards per carry of 3.8 is somewhat below the middle same as Rice and UTEP from CUSA.

My mistake. Your 3.77 yards/carry is #97 of 130. Still one-sided.
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(12-04-2021 11:18 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  WKU fans, what do you expect next year to look like?

No idea, but our OC is gone for sure..
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(12-04-2021 01:41 PM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  I’m sure this will come as a surprise to everyone, but rumors in the athletic department is Tops are working on a “Doughty deal” for Zappe next year. Unlikely, but could get a Covid year. If not, we will definitely have to play a different play style next year or luck up on another stud transfer. If you are an unhappy passing QB anywhere in the country, WKU’s style and genius OC Zach Kittley makes us very enticing.

Kittley is good as gone, don’t be naive..
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(12-04-2021 04:06 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 03:48 PM)Franko Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 01:30 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 01:10 PM)Franko Wrote:  Wanna ask WKU fans something though. When you've got 577 yards through the air and are -9 on the ground, do you think that makes it difficult for you to recruit running backs? I know it makes it easier to get your hands on a quality QB and maybe receivers, but it seems it would make it really difficult to attract a running back to your program when you're that one-dimensional. In terms of whether it's better to have an air-raid offense or a more balanced attack, I suppose it comes down to philosophy, and while I'm not sure what the right answer is, we did beat you twice this year in two very close games.

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The rushing total from this game is jaded for a couple of reasons. When you are down 29 you are not coming back against a team like UTSA by running the ball especially when you have the most prolific QB in the nation.
The -35 on the 2 bad snaps was huge, those were drive killers and put a huge dent in your rushing numbers.
The "one-dimensional" notion is somewhat of a misnomer. The WKU running game was productive when used, 157 yards vs Marshall, 100 yards against FAU. The top 4 running backs all had a respectable yards per carry average. Whittington 5.0, Cofield, 4.7, Robichaux 4.7 and Moses 5.7. Compare that to the 3 top rushers in CUSA for total yards. McCormick 5.0. Ali, 5.4 and Torrey 4.9.
Whittington is a freshman, Robichaux is a freshman, Moses is a sophomore (reportedly in the transfer portal), and Cofield is the only one not a freshman or sophomore, grad transfer, also they have Jamale Carrothers, a sophomore, who was Navy's leading rusher the year before. Obviously other backs can be signed or transfer in or out but I don't think it is a major concern. More concerned about a QB developing that would be 3/4 as good as Zappe has been.

You guys only averaged 3.8 yards/carry for the season though. And you averaged 435 yards through the air on the season, and only 94 on the ground. In fact, your average per carry is #125 of 130 FBS teams. So yes, it's very one-dimensional.

Compare that to us. We averaged 4.6 yards/carry for the season, 254 through the air per game, and 189 per game on the ground.

I think that if given the choice between being primarily a ground team such as Army or a passing team such as yourselves, I'd go with the passing attack because you can score quickly when needed, even though Army beat you guys also. But it seems that most programs in college and in the NFL opt to go with a more balanced approach rather than be at one extreme or the other. And I honestly can't remember this, but has an air-raid offense ever won a national championship, or even come close?
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Yards per game is indeed 125th but yards per carry of 3.8 is somewhat below the middle same as Rice and UTEP from CUSA.

My mistake. Your 3.77 yards/carry is #97 of 130. Still one-sided.
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I know we are splitting hairs here and trying to extenuate differences of opinion but ESPN lists yards per carry only as one decimal point below the whole number that would put 3.8 tied for 20th when you list yards per carry in that context. That being said I think UTSA had a terrific season and still think we are the second best team in CUSA.
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(12-04-2021 05:40 PM)Franko Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 04:06 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 03:48 PM)Franko Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 01:30 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 01:10 PM)Franko Wrote:  Wanna ask WKU fans something though. When you've got 577 yards through the air and are -9 on the ground, do you think that makes it difficult for you to recruit running backs? I know it makes it easier to get your hands on a quality QB and maybe receivers, but it seems it would make it really difficult to attract a running back to your program when you're that one-dimensional. In terms of whether it's better to have an air-raid offense or a more balanced attack, I suppose it comes down to philosophy, and while I'm not sure what the right answer is, we did beat you twice this year in two very close games.

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The rushing total from this game is jaded for a couple of reasons. When you are down 29 you are not coming back against a team like UTSA by running the ball especially when you have the most prolific QB in the nation.
The -35 on the 2 bad snaps was huge, those were drive killers and put a huge dent in your rushing numbers.
The "one-dimensional" notion is somewhat of a misnomer. The WKU running game was productive when used, 157 yards vs Marshall, 100 yards against FAU. The top 4 running backs all had a respectable yards per carry average. Whittington 5.0, Cofield, 4.7, Robichaux 4.7 and Moses 5.7. Compare that to the 3 top rushers in CUSA for total yards. McCormick 5.0. Ali, 5.4 and Torrey 4.9.
Whittington is a freshman, Robichaux is a freshman, Moses is a sophomore (reportedly in the transfer portal), and Cofield is the only one not a freshman or sophomore, grad transfer, also they have Jamale Carrothers, a sophomore, who was Navy's leading rusher the year before. Obviously other backs can be signed or transfer in or out but I don't think it is a major concern. More concerned about a QB developing that would be 3/4 as good as Zappe has been.

You guys only averaged 3.8 yards/carry for the season though. And you averaged 435 yards through the air on the season, and only 94 on the ground. In fact, your average per carry is #125 of 130 FBS teams. So yes, it's very one-dimensional.

Compare that to us. We averaged 4.6 yards/carry for the season, 254 through the air per game, and 189 per game on the ground.

I think that if given the choice between being primarily a ground team such as Army or a passing team such as yourselves, I'd go with the passing attack because you can score quickly when needed, even though Army beat you guys also. But it seems that most programs in college and in the NFL opt to go with a more balanced approach rather than be at one extreme or the other. And I honestly can't remember this, but has an air-raid offense ever won a national championship, or even come close?
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Yards per game is indeed 125th but yards per carry of 3.8 is somewhat below the middle same as Rice and UTEP from CUSA.

My mistake. Your 3.77 yards/carry is #97 of 130. Still one-sided.
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I know we are splitting hairs here and trying to extenuate differences of opinion but ESPN lists yards per carry only as one decimal point below the whole number that would put 3.8 tied for 20th when you list yards per carry in that context. That being said I think UTSA had a terrific season and still think we are the second best team in CUSA.

Wow! That goes way beyond splitting hairs to a place I'd rather not say. You're not 20th best when you average 3.77 (or 3.8, whichever you prefer) and there are 86 teams who average more than 4 yards/carry, thirty-one alone who average over 5 yards/carry. That's not how you read stats.

I miscounted btw. There are 35 teams who average fewer yards/carry than you guys. Out of 130 teams, that puts you at 95.

I prefer NCAA.com to look at football stats though. They have many more categories of data to look at, whether it be individual or team, and I like the way they write their data better also.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/23

You guys have a helluva team though, and I hope you'll beat the pants off whomever you play in your bowl game. Also hope you can keep your OC even though I'm not the biggest fan of one-dimensional offenses.
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(11-28-2021 01:03 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Eh, if not for wells getting hurt, wouldn't have happened, but either one of us would crush utsa. They can't even beat UNT

I guess without Wells, you guys are destined for a winless season in 2022, right? I mean since the guy was your entire team?

That's like blaming it on the rain for MTSU beating Marshall this last season as if it never rains in Huntington or as if the rain only fell on one team during the game.
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(01-20-2022 03:51 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-28-2021 01:03 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Eh, if not for wells getting hurt, wouldn't have happened, but either one of us would crush utsa. They can't even beat UNT

I guess without Wells, you guys are destined for a winless season in 2022, right? I mean since the guy was your entire team?

That's like blaming it on the rain for MTSU beating Marshall this last season as if it never rains in Huntington or as if the rain only fell on one team during the game.

The rain definitely fell on everyone, myself included.
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(12-04-2021 01:43 PM)Digi368 Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 12:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Congrats UTSA. Teams going to the AAC have now won the last 5 Conference USA football titles. Pretty good for market schools !

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This is an eye opener 04-jawdrop

Lol cracks me up that FAU still thinks they are a good football school because of a flash in the pan.

Everyone views the AAC as significantly weakened by your add and everyone but UAB. And rightfully so.
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Seeing that this thread has somehow apparently returned from the dead, I figured this would be a decent place to share that UTSA’s QB, Frank Harris, officially still has two years of eligibility left. Heard some mention that he might, but I wasn’t sure about it. Has been confirmed though.

He also got lasik surgery to correct his vision. He wore contacts to help him in games, but because of his astigmatism, the ball sometimes got blurry on longer passes, and he would sometimes need to rub his eyes a bit during games. I have an astigmatism also and remember being told that lasik couldn’t fix that. Apparently it can now though.

Btw, we lost our offensive coordinator as well. Illinois poached him from us. Guess that’s what we get for beating them in Champaign. We promoted two other coaches to be co-offensive coordinators. So we’ll now have co-offensive coordinators as well as co-defensive coordinators.

https://goutsa.com/news/2022/1/8/footbal...ators.aspx
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I like chocolate so “co-co-ordinators” sound good to me.
Let me know if you need a cocoa-co-oordinator, I would probably apply.
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(01-20-2022 04:58 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 01:43 PM)Digi368 Wrote:  
(12-04-2021 12:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Congrats UTSA. Teams going to the AAC have now won the last 5 Conference USA football titles. Pretty good for market schools !

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This is an eye opener 04-jawdrop

Lol cracks me up that FAU still thinks they are a good football school because of a flash in the cpan.

Everyone views the AAC as significantly weakened by your add and everyone but UAB. And rightfully so.

Bitter little man, so sad.
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(01-22-2022 05:57 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  I like chocolate so “co-co-ordinators” sound good to me.
Let me know if you need a cocoa-co-oordinator, I would probably apply.

I’ll put in a good word for you for some Lindt. lol
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