(11-27-2021 02:32 AM)fanhoodtheocho Wrote:  I had assumed SMU would be the standard of the new conference, as my thoughts were that Sonny would stay, and continue to grow the program to be one of the top three G5 programs year in and year out. Furthermore, I had thought that Memphis had proven they were built to last due to the sustained success over multiple head coaches.

However, with Dykes leaving, and Memphis regressing slightly, who do you think will be the best two or three teams in the American over the next five years? Will Lashlee be able to sustain the success Dykes was having? What was the reason for Memphis' regression this year?

Who are the new standard bearers of the MW? San Diego State, Fresno, San Jose come to mind.

(11-27-2021 04:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 11:37 AM)legacygt777 Wrote:  In football, SMU, Navy, Ecu, and Memphis. We'll see where UTSA when they have an American schedule.

The other C USA teams have a lot of work to do.

I think Navy and all the service academies will have problems going forward because of the portal..that they really cant use due to military commitments. They have no way to improve their classes through the portal like everyone else. Of course they still will have the most disciplined and physically fit teams on the field. That means a lot.

Navy will bounce back even without the portal through recruiting because they always have good coaching.

(11-27-2021 05:37 PM)legacygt777 Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 04:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 11:37 AM)legacygt777 Wrote:  In football, SMU, Navy, Ecu, and Memphis. We'll see where UTSA when they have an American schedule.

The other C USA teams have a lot of work to do.

I think Navy and all the service academies will have problems going forward because of the portal..that they really cant use due to military commitments. They have no way to improve their classes through the portal like everyone else. Of course they still will have the most disciplined and physically fit teams on the field. That means a lot.

Navy will bounce back even without the portal through recruiting because they always have good coaching.

And they have the ability to oversign because everyone at the academy is on scholarship anyway. Doesn't mean they are all on the active roster. They have crazy depth to draw from.

I'm sure if I misstated that my friend slhNavy91 can help out. But I'm not far off the mark.

There are many teams that have proven to win in past and can do it again.
Navy,SMU, ECU,USF, Memphis I think will rotate among the top.

New teams like UTSA,FAU and North Texas could also compete.

(11-27-2021 06:12 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  There are many teams that have proven to win in past and can do it again.
Navy,SMU, ECU,USF, Memphis I think will rotate among the top.

New teams like UTSA,FAU and North Texas could also compete.

Glad you included USF (zero championships, zero championship appearances) but not Temple (1 championship 2 appearances) as your “teams proven to win”. As terrible as we are now, and as terrible as losing badly to a terrible USF team this year was, we still finish the year with more wins than the Bulls.

(11-27-2021 05:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 05:01 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Like I said North Texas has a real chance at being the American’s premiere team in Texas.

Never underestimate the amount of money SMU has to do whatever the alumni want...just saying.

I was playing off of post #8 of this thread lol

(11-27-2021 05:34 PM)legacygt777 Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 05:01 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Like I said North Texas has a real chance at being the American’s premiere team in Texas.

Premiere? They have to do better against SMU to claim that title.

It was a joke delivered poorly apparently lol

SMU and Memphis would be my first choice, but I'm gonna be a homer and say Temple and East Carolina in the East and Rice, N. Texas, UTSA or SMU in the West, if there is a east and west.

You're going to see a LOT of chaos in the next five years. I don't think you'll have a standard bearer in FB - but BB you have Memphis/WSU.

Tulsa was a perennial contender the last time we lined up against a conference that looked similar to this (older CUSA). So was ECU. SMU and Memphis amd USF could be in the mix. And maybe Navy if they have their QB figured out again.

(11-27-2021 06:49 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 06:12 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  There are many teams that have proven to win in past and can do it again.
Navy,SMU, ECU,USF, Memphis I think will rotate among the top.

New teams like UTSA,FAU and North Texas could also compete.

Glad you included USF (zero championships, zero championship appearances) but not Temple (1 championship 2 appearances) as your “teams proven to win”. As terrible as we are now, and as terrible as losing badly to a terrible USF team this year was, we still finish the year with more wins than the Bulls.

Wow dint mean to hurt your feelings. It was just an opinion. Temple needs a new coach. USF had two final top 25 finishes don’t forget that. If Temple gets a good hire they can also contend as well as Tulsa

(11-27-2021 06:08 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 05:37 PM)legacygt777 Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 04:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 11:37 AM)legacygt777 Wrote:  In football, SMU, Navy, Ecu, and Memphis. We'll see where UTSA when they have an American schedule.

The other C USA teams have a lot of work to do.

I think Navy and all the service academies will have problems going forward because of the portal..that they really cant use due to military commitments. They have no way to improve their classes through the portal like everyone else. Of course they still will have the most disciplined and physically fit teams on the field. That means a lot.

Navy will bounce back even without the portal through recruiting because they always have good coaching.

And they have the ability to oversign because everyone at the academy is on scholarship anyway. Doesn't mean they are all on the active roster. They have crazy depth to draw from.

I'm sure if I misstated that my friend slhNavy91 can help out. But I'm not far off the mark.

That's right - we have no athletic scholarships because every Midshipman student-athlete is on the exact same ride as non-student-athlete Midshipmen.
Without athletic scholarships, football classes end up being around 50 guys showing up on Induction Day, either direct admits or from the Naval Academy Prep School. We had 25 seniors walk with their families this Senior Day.
The football roster is about 150. We have a JV team (plays community college competition and such) and we run two full scout teams.
The normal result is that guys wait their turn and most of the starters are juniors/seniors. We usually have a lot of first-time senior starters. But they've spent time getting reps in practice giving us consistency. Coach Newberry's defense is kind of like the triple option in requiring reps and experience to be good in it - a lot of shifts and rotations and "hybrid" type guys all over.
We are incredibly young this year -- with injuries and other losses, half the three-deep on O and D right now are freshmen and sophmores. Bodes well for the future, but has meant rough sledding this year.

As far as the portal, we can lose guys to it but never gain. A positive spin would be that using the portal doesn't fit with the development model of the program as described above.
I think that the impact of the portal is more relative for Navy - other schools MIGHT have big jumps from a good year using the portal. We'll have the same consistency of development but might have more peaks and valleys in terms of record as numbers of other members have years of great improvement. Any given team might jump up in a given year, but the flip side is that no one will build a dynasty off of portal gains. Does that make sense?

The portal is a net negative for Navy, but not disaster.

(11-27-2021 04:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Dang this is a depressing thread.

Clutching our train ticket out.

Must be a big 12 forum you could be hanging out on somewhere !!!

(11-27-2021 05:37 PM)legacygt777 Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 04:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 11:37 AM)legacygt777 Wrote:  In football, SMU, Navy, Ecu, and Memphis. We'll see where UTSA when they have an American schedule.

The other C USA teams have a lot of work to do.

I think Navy and all the service academies will have problems going forward because of the portal..that they really cant use due to military commitments. They have no way to improve their classes through the portal like everyone else. Of course they still will have the most disciplined and physically fit teams on the field. That means a lot.

Navy will bounce back even without the portal through recruiting because they always have good coaching.

SLH could correct me if I am wrong, but I think that historically, there has rarely been a time when all three Service Academies are competing at a high level. I have been told by people familiar with Service Academy football that there simply are not enough players in the recruiting pool to support it.

As such, if this hypothesis is true, the Navy needs Air Force or Army to take significant steps back in order to be good again. You couple this with Navy playing in a conference, and not being able to pick their games, and I think it is unlikely.

The one thing that could work in their favor is a weakened AAC. However, if they are in a Division with SMU, Memphis, UAB, and UTSA, I think they struggle. If I were them, from a competitive standpoint, I would want to be in the Eastern Division.

Ecu

It will be an "Owl"... Temple as soon as Carey is gone.

Until them it's between FAU or Rice.

(11-27-2021 08:23 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 06:08 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 05:37 PM)legacygt777 Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 04:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 11:37 AM)legacygt777 Wrote:  In football, SMU, Navy, Ecu, and Memphis. We'll see where UTSA when they have an American schedule.

The other C USA teams have a lot of work to do.

I think Navy and all the service academies will have problems going forward because of the portal..that they really cant use due to military commitments. They have no way to improve their classes through the portal like everyone else. Of course they still will have the most disciplined and physically fit teams on the field. That means a lot.

Navy will bounce back even without the portal through recruiting because they always have good coaching.

And they have the ability to oversign because everyone at the academy is on scholarship anyway. Doesn't mean they are all on the active roster. They have crazy depth to draw from.

I'm sure if I misstated that my friend slhNavy91 can help out. But I'm not far off the mark.

That's right - we have no athletic scholarships because every Midshipman student-athlete is on the exact same ride as non-student-athlete Midshipmen.
Without athletic scholarships, football classes end up being around 50 guys showing up on Induction Day, either direct admits or from the Naval Academy Prep School. We had 25 seniors walk with their families this Senior Day.
The football roster is about 150. We have a JV team (plays community college competition and such) and we run two full scout teams.
The normal result is that guys wait their turn and most of the starters are juniors/seniors. We usually have a lot of first-time senior starters. But they've spent time getting reps in practice giving us consistency. Coach Newberry's defense is kind of like the triple option in requiring reps and experience to be good in it - a lot of shifts and rotations and "hybrid" type guys all over.
We are incredibly young this year -- with injuries and other losses, half the three-deep on O and D right now are freshmen and sophmores. Bodes well for the future, but has meant rough sledding this year.

As far as the portal, we can lose guys to it but never gain. A positive spin would be that using the portal doesn't fit with the development model of the program as described above.
I think that the impact of the portal is more relative for Navy - other schools MIGHT have big jumps from a good year using the portal. We'll have the same consistency of development but might have more peaks and valleys in terms of record as numbers of other members have years of great improvement. Any given team might jump up in a given year, but the flip side is that no one will build a dynasty off of portal gains. Does that make sense?

The portal is a net negative for Navy, but not disaster.

Doesn’t Navy also have a community college they use to develop players?

I want to say there is a lot of sour taste in the mouths at USF. My bet is USF along with Memphis and utsa.

(11-27-2021 01:51 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Charlotte will bring baseball, soccer and golf!

That is what I am afraid will happen.

(11-27-2021 08:23 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 06:08 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 05:37 PM)legacygt777 Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 04:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 11:37 AM)legacygt777 Wrote:  In football, SMU, Navy, Ecu, and Memphis. We'll see where UTSA when they have an American schedule.

The other C USA teams have a lot of work to do.

I think Navy and all the service academies will have problems going forward because of the portal..that they really cant use due to military commitments. They have no way to improve their classes through the portal like everyone else. Of course they still will have the most disciplined and physically fit teams on the field. That means a lot.

Navy will bounce back even without the portal through recruiting because they always have good coaching.

And they have the ability to oversign because everyone at the academy is on scholarship anyway. Doesn't mean they are all on the active roster. They have crazy depth to draw from.

I'm sure if I misstated that my friend slhNavy91 can help out. But I'm not far off the mark.

That's right - we have no athletic scholarships because every Midshipman student-athlete is on the exact same ride as non-student-athlete Midshipmen.
Without athletic scholarships, football classes end up being around 50 guys showing up on Induction Day, either direct admits or from the Naval Academy Prep School. We had 25 seniors walk with their families this Senior Day.
The football roster is about 150. We have a JV team (plays community college competition and such) and we run two full scout teams.
The normal result is that guys wait their turn and most of the starters are juniors/seniors. We usually have a lot of first-time senior starters. But they've spent time getting reps in practice giving us consistency. Coach Newberry's defense is kind of like the triple option in requiring reps and experience to be good in it - a lot of shifts and rotations and "hybrid" type guys all over.
We are incredibly young this year -- with injuries and other losses, half the three-deep on O and D right now are freshmen and sophmores. Bodes well for the future, but has meant rough sledding this year.

As far as the portal, we can lose guys to it but never gain. A positive spin would be that using the portal doesn't fit with the development model of the program as described above.
I think that the impact of the portal is more relative for Navy - other schools MIGHT have big jumps from a good year using the portal. We'll have the same consistency of development but might have more peaks and valleys in terms of record as numbers of other members have years of great improvement. Any given team might jump up in a given year, but the flip side is that no one will build a dynasty off of portal gains. Does that make sense?

The portal is a net negative for Navy, but not disaster.

Thanks for that explanation. Good information.