(12-01-2021 07:36 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 10:41 PM)JJOHN368 Wrote:  FCS is a very difficult sell in the state of Georgia even for a school the size Of Kennesaw and with the brand that we have. Similarly to Coastal, we compete with two Power 5 schools directly. But, as soon as Coastal made the jump, and started playing bigger more relevant teams, the interest grew and you saw it in the stadium. I believe Going to the FBS would start an almost immediate reaction in donations from a huge alumni base and sponsors who want to market the very marketable brand (way more marketable than Ga State) once you have an FBS conference involved. Kennesaw is a massive school (probably would be the largest in Conf USA), in the middle of the Mecca of sports marketing and recruiting, that would explode once we get out of the FCS. That is what is holding everything back. Just like Coastal Carolina and Ga State. But again, the FCS is a very difficult sell in the state of Georgia. There are very few other FCS program in the country with more potential than Kennesaw. The move to conference USA would benefit both parties.And as far as the hate towards the stadium goes, it is a half bowl shaped stadium that looks like any other football stadium that is the same shape.. you put our stadium with field goal posts next to what you differentiate as a “football” stadium that is the same shape, you are going to tell me that you can immediately tell that ours was a soccer stadium at one point?. Come on.. also, there are many DI universities that play football and soccer in the same stadium. We did not build the stadium, we took advantage of a situation where a team going bankrupt sold it to us. If anything, it was a smart business move that saved up close to 20 million dollars.. it is a nice stadium that is very easy to expand on by design. Plus, Kennesaw has the funds to do it as well. Remember Coastal's stadium was 8k when they moved and they expanded to 20k. We can definitely do it. I would like to add, Georgia State did not have a stadium when they played FCS and for the first few years of FBS. They used the old Georgia Dome. A couple years ago, they started using the old rotting Turner field. So now they play in a baseball field..

Meh.....Mercer University is the better add. We should approach them.

Mercer would not be a good add due to it's location and they would not make C-USA more competitive. KSU is a FCS playoff team that wins. Mercer is not good at Football and would be a bottom feeder in C-USA. KSU is a good add because other C-USA schools can come into metro Atlanta, which is the hot bed for recruiting, and recruit good players. Middle Georgia is not a good recruiting area. I think at this point you are trolling TBH.

(12-01-2021 08:01 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:36 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 10:41 PM)JJOHN368 Wrote:  FCS is a very difficult sell in the state of Georgia even for a school the size Of Kennesaw and with the brand that we have. Similarly to Coastal, we compete with two Power 5 schools directly. But, as soon as Coastal made the jump, and started playing bigger more relevant teams, the interest grew and you saw it in the stadium. I believe Going to the FBS would start an almost immediate reaction in donations from a huge alumni base and sponsors who want to market the very marketable brand (way more marketable than Ga State) once you have an FBS conference involved. Kennesaw is a massive school (probably would be the largest in Conf USA), in the middle of the Mecca of sports marketing and recruiting, that would explode once we get out of the FCS. That is what is holding everything back. Just like Coastal Carolina and Ga State. But again, the FCS is a very difficult sell in the state of Georgia. There are very few other FCS program in the country with more potential than Kennesaw. The move to conference USA would benefit both parties.And as far as the hate towards the stadium goes, it is a half bowl shaped stadium that looks like any other football stadium that is the same shape.. you put our stadium with field goal posts next to what you differentiate as a “football” stadium that is the same shape, you are going to tell me that you can immediately tell that ours was a soccer stadium at one point?. Come on.. also, there are many DI universities that play football and soccer in the same stadium. We did not build the stadium, we took advantage of a situation where a team going bankrupt sold it to us. If anything, it was a smart business move that saved up close to 20 million dollars.. it is a nice stadium that is very easy to expand on by design. Plus, Kennesaw has the funds to do it as well. Remember Coastal's stadium was 8k when they moved and they expanded to 20k. We can definitely do it. I would like to add, Georgia State did not have a stadium when they played FCS and for the first few years of FBS. They used the old Georgia Dome. A couple years ago, they started using the old rotting Turner field. So now they play in a baseball field..

Meh.....Mercer University is the better add. We should approach them.

Mercer would not be a good add due to it's location and they would not make C-USA more competitive. KSU is a FCS playoff team that wins. Mercer is not good at Football and would be a bottom feeder in C-USA. KSU is a good add because other C-USA schools can come into metro Atlanta, which is the hot bed for recruiting, and recruit good players. Middle Georgia is not a good recruiting area. I think at this point you are trolling TBH.

Not trolling I think the reasons for the KSU add are weak. The poster above even compares CCU to KSU's situation. CCU is 142 miles away from USC, has a beach, a stadium for FB not soccer even has a bowl game there. There are like a couple FBS schools out of 130 that do the whole Soccer Stadium thing and you can tell it is one by how far away the stands are from the field. GAState is not a powerhouse and they are in ATX with a much better stadium so all this ATX is a hot bed of recruiting talk is weak. KSU will be overshadowed by the ATX schools and underfunded. Any talk of being great at FCS is all fine and its great for KSU but it means little in FBS. Yeah maybe it will mean you are good at FBS but it could mean nothing too if you are a school doing everything on the cheap. I keep saying the same thing over and over again. If anything you ignore it over and over hoping my replies get buried then you say the same things hoping another poster gets on team KSU. So far I haven't seen that.

(12-01-2021 08:40 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 08:01 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:36 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 10:41 PM)JJOHN368 Wrote:  FCS is a very difficult sell in the state of Georgia even for a school the size Of Kennesaw and with the brand that we have. Similarly to Coastal, we compete with two Power 5 schools directly. But, as soon as Coastal made the jump, and started playing bigger more relevant teams, the interest grew and you saw it in the stadium. I believe Going to the FBS would start an almost immediate reaction in donations from a huge alumni base and sponsors who want to market the very marketable brand (way more marketable than Ga State) once you have an FBS conference involved. Kennesaw is a massive school (probably would be the largest in Conf USA), in the middle of the Mecca of sports marketing and recruiting, that would explode once we get out of the FCS. That is what is holding everything back. Just like Coastal Carolina and Ga State. But again, the FCS is a very difficult sell in the state of Georgia. There are very few other FCS program in the country with more potential than Kennesaw. The move to conference USA would benefit both parties.And as far as the hate towards the stadium goes, it is a half bowl shaped stadium that looks like any other football stadium that is the same shape.. you put our stadium with field goal posts next to what you differentiate as a “football” stadium that is the same shape, you are going to tell me that you can immediately tell that ours was a soccer stadium at one point?. Come on.. also, there are many DI universities that play football and soccer in the same stadium. We did not build the stadium, we took advantage of a situation where a team going bankrupt sold it to us. If anything, it was a smart business move that saved up close to 20 million dollars.. it is a nice stadium that is very easy to expand on by design. Plus, Kennesaw has the funds to do it as well. Remember Coastal's stadium was 8k when they moved and they expanded to 20k. We can definitely do it. I would like to add, Georgia State did not have a stadium when they played FCS and for the first few years of FBS. They used the old Georgia Dome. A couple years ago, they started using the old rotting Turner field. So now they play in a baseball field..

Meh.....Mercer University is the better add. We should approach them.

Mercer would not be a good add due to it's location and they would not make C-USA more competitive. KSU is a FCS playoff team that wins. Mercer is not good at Football and would be a bottom feeder in C-USA. KSU is a good add because other C-USA schools can come into metro Atlanta, which is the hot bed for recruiting, and recruit good players. Middle Georgia is not a good recruiting area. I think at this point you are trolling TBH.

Not trolling I think the reasons for the KSU add are weak. The poster above even compares CCU to KSU's situation. CCU is 142 miles away from USC, has a beach, a stadium for FB not soccer even has a bowl game there. There are like a couple FBS schools out of 130 that do the whole Soccer Stadium thing and you can tell it is one by how far away the stands are from the field. GAState is not a powerhouse and they are in ATX with a much better stadium so all this ATX is a hot bed of recruiting talk is weak. KSU will be overshadowed by the ATX schools and underfunded. Any talk of being great at FCS is all fine and its great for KSU but it means little in FBS. Yeah maybe it will mean you are good at FBS but it could mean nothing too if you are a school doing everything on the cheap. I keep saying the same thing over and over again. If anything you ignore it over and over hoping my replies get buried then you say the same things hoping another poster gets on team KSU. So far I haven't seen that.

Look man, this is all for fun discourse about what could happen and why. I think their has been a lot of really interesting and knowledgeable points that have been made in this forum. Way better than other forums.. I do not think anyone was really trying to say that KSU success in the FCS will be a determining factor to their success in the FBS. I believe they were more stating the fact that most of these school that you and others have listed as being better and more competitive candidates for Conference USA, KSU has beaten handily in recent years, is double the size, and is in a much better situation financially than the other institutions. However, I do believe that the success we have had, has helped us continue to grow our name and brand, resulting in more sustainable recruiting, which could definitely carry over to the FBS. If not make it more sustainable.
However, the fixation and emphasis on the stadium KSU uses is amazing.. I was not really knocking GA State for using Turner field, I am just making the point that, a stadium is a stadium. There is literally zero rational behind measuring the difference between a programs potential for success in FBS football either logistically, or its practicality, based on what kind of stadium a program decides to use whether they build one specifically for football (whatever that would entail besides proximity to the field which varies greatly between a lot of football specific stadiums), convert an old baseball field into a football field, or buy a soccer stadium and convert it into a football field (but decide to use it for the Universities soccer team as well). A stadium is a stadium, as long as it can efficiently and sustainably do what you are trying to use it for now and in the future does not make you cheap. I just do not understand the basis behind that even being a topic to bring up or why it matters. Does the amount of stadiums a school has, determine its athletic prestige?
KSU and CCU did have similar situations. Both in the same conference and having success, CCU is 140 miles from USC, KSU is 85 from UGA, CCU did not have a bowl game until they moved up and had to expand their stadium, KSU holds multiple college and professional sporting events and concerts at its current stadium (a leg up on CCU's past situation), KSU is 30 miles from Atlanta which hosts two bowl games and the Chick-fil-a classic already. I would tend to believe that KSU moving up and expanding their stadium would bring one of those bowl games to Kennesaw.
And I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you on Kennesaw being overshadowed by Ga State. KSU already recruits very competitively against GA state, and anyone who has lived/lives in or around Atlanta will tell you that Ga State is not that big of a name or a desirable school to go to whether academically or athletically. KSU has a great name and desirability in Metro Atlanta. I know it is difficult for most people to abandon their old portrayal they have of KSU as being a nothing commuter school. As far as Ga tech, they are what they are. Yes they have been around forever and have a big name for academics, sports is not something that half of the student body cares or knows about; especially football. Tech is in the ACC solely because they wanted out of the SEC and the ACC was just forming at that time and saw the potential for the Atlanta market. Similarly to Conference USA and Kennesaw's Situation. I would not label Tech as any kind of historical football destination or powerhouse in the ACC and college football as a whole.

(12-01-2021 02:49 PM)JJOHN368 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 08:40 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 08:01 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:36 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 10:41 PM)JJOHN368 Wrote:  FCS is a very difficult sell in the state of Georgia even for a school the size Of Kennesaw and with the brand that we have. Similarly to Coastal, we compete with two Power 5 schools directly. But, as soon as Coastal made the jump, and started playing bigger more relevant teams, the interest grew and you saw it in the stadium. I believe Going to the FBS would start an almost immediate reaction in donations from a huge alumni base and sponsors who want to market the very marketable brand (way more marketable than Ga State) once you have an FBS conference involved. Kennesaw is a massive school (probably would be the largest in Conf USA), in the middle of the Mecca of sports marketing and recruiting, that would explode once we get out of the FCS. That is what is holding everything back. Just like Coastal Carolina and Ga State. But again, the FCS is a very difficult sell in the state of Georgia. There are very few other FCS program in the country with more potential than Kennesaw. The move to conference USA would benefit both parties.And as far as the hate towards the stadium goes, it is a half bowl shaped stadium that looks like any other football stadium that is the same shape.. you put our stadium with field goal posts next to what you differentiate as a “football” stadium that is the same shape, you are going to tell me that you can immediately tell that ours was a soccer stadium at one point?. Come on.. also, there are many DI universities that play football and soccer in the same stadium. We did not build the stadium, we took advantage of a situation where a team going bankrupt sold it to us. If anything, it was a smart business move that saved up close to 20 million dollars.. it is a nice stadium that is very easy to expand on by design. Plus, Kennesaw has the funds to do it as well. Remember Coastal's stadium was 8k when they moved and they expanded to 20k. We can definitely do it. I would like to add, Georgia State did not have a stadium when they played FCS and for the first few years of FBS. They used the old Georgia Dome. A couple years ago, they started using the old rotting Turner field. So now they play in a baseball field..

Meh.....Mercer University is the better add. We should approach them.

Mercer would not be a good add due to it's location and they would not make C-USA more competitive. KSU is a FCS playoff team that wins. Mercer is not good at Football and would be a bottom feeder in C-USA. KSU is a good add because other C-USA schools can come into metro Atlanta, which is the hot bed for recruiting, and recruit good players. Middle Georgia is not a good recruiting area. I think at this point you are trolling TBH.

Not trolling I think the reasons for the KSU add are weak. The poster above even compares CCU to KSU's situation. CCU is 142 miles away from USC, has a beach, a stadium for FB not soccer even has a bowl game there. There are like a couple FBS schools out of 130 that do the whole Soccer Stadium thing and you can tell it is one by how far away the stands are from the field. GAState is not a powerhouse and they are in ATX with a much better stadium so all this ATX is a hot bed of recruiting talk is weak. KSU will be overshadowed by the ATX schools and underfunded. Any talk of being great at FCS is all fine and its great for KSU but it means little in FBS. Yeah maybe it will mean you are good at FBS but it could mean nothing too if you are a school doing everything on the cheap. I keep saying the same thing over and over again. If anything you ignore it over and over hoping my replies get buried then you say the same things hoping another poster gets on team KSU. So far I haven't seen that.

Look man, this is all for fun discourse about what could happen and why. I think their has been a lot of really interesting and knowledgeable points that have been made in this forum. Way better than other forums.. I do not think anyone was really trying to say that KSU success in the FCS will be a determining factor to their success in the FBS. I believe they were more stating the fact that most of these school that you and others have listed as being better and more competitive candidates for Conference USA, KSU has beaten handily in recent years, is double the size, and is in a much better situation financially than the other institutions. However, I do believe that the success we have had, has helped us continue to grow our name and brand, resulting in more sustainable recruiting, which could definitely carry over to the FBS. If not make it more sustainable.
However, the fixation and emphasis on the stadium KSU uses is amazing.. I was not really knocking GA State for using Turner field, I am just making the point that, a stadium is a stadium. There is literally zero rational behind measuring the difference between a programs potential for success in FBS football either logistically, or its practicality, based on what kind of stadium a program decides to use whether they build one specifically for football (whatever that would entail besides proximity to the field which varies greatly between a lot of football specific stadiums), convert an old baseball field into a football field, or buy a soccer stadium and convert it into a football field (but decide to use it for the Universities soccer team as well). A stadium is a stadium, as long as it can efficiently and sustainably do what you are trying to use it for now and in the future does not make you cheap. I just do not understand the basis behind that even being a topic to bring up or why it matters. Does the amount of stadiums a school has, determine its athletic prestige?
KSU and CCU did have similar situations. Both in the same conference and having success, CCU is 140 miles from USC, KSU is 85 from UGA, CCU did not have a bowl game until they moved up and had to expand their stadium, KSU holds multiple college and professional sporting events and concerts at its current stadium (a leg up on CCU's past situation), KSU is 30 miles from Atlanta which hosts two bowl games and the Chick-fil-a classic already. I would tend to believe that KSU moving up and expanding their stadium would bring one of those bowl games to Kennesaw.
And I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you on Kennesaw being overshadowed by Ga State. KSU already recruits very competitively against GA state, and anyone who has lived/lives in or around Atlanta will tell you that Ga State is not that big of a name or a desirable school to go to whether academically or athletically. KSU has a great name and desirability in Metro Atlanta. I know it is difficult for most people to abandon their old portrayal they have of KSU as being a nothing commuter school. As far as Ga tech, they are what they are. Yes they have been around forever and have a big name for academics, sports is not something that half of the student body cares or knows about; especially football. Tech is in the ACC solely because they wanted out of the SEC and the ACC was just forming at that time and saw the potential for the Atlanta market. Similarly to Conference USA and Kennesaw's Situation. I would not label Tech as any kind of historical football destination or powerhouse in the ACC and college football as a whole.

Kennesaw State is just a flat out better option than Mercer. There is more going for KSU than Mercer and KSU has an overall better football program. Also Georgia State did not work because they was a bad team that moved up to FBS. Georgia State was losing 10 games a season before they moved up.

How about CUSA adds Mercer and KSU and kicks out SHSU. That would make all fans happy!

(12-01-2021 05:04 PM)SammyH Wrote:  How about CUSA adds Mercer and KSU and kicks out SHSU. That would make all fans happy!

NO SHSU is staying!! lol

NO NDSU? lame.

(12-02-2021 10:56 AM)lakesbison Wrote:  NO NDSU? lame.

You belong in the MW too good and too far away for C-USA

(12-02-2021 01:46 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 10:56 AM)lakesbison Wrote:  NO NDSU? lame.

You belong in the MW too good and too far away for C-USA

MWC won't be looking at any FCS schools unless half the conference leaves. And if that happens, there are other schools in the footprint that they will look at first.