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Illinois missed 3 straight free throws in double OT...that's not going to get it down. Great game, one of the best i've watch all season, but Purdue is going to pull it out.
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(01-17-2022 02:39 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  That UC win vs Illinois is by far better than any win Houston has on its resume. Houstons 2 best wins are exactly what you claimed Illinois would be for UC...

Oregon is #50 and 11-6.. needs do serious work to make the Tourney
Ok St is #47 and 9-7... They have 2 elite wins BUT Thats it.. Nothing else. They have a long way to go before they make the tourney.

Illinois is nothing like those 2 teams which are true Bubble teams. Illinois is #11 in KP, 13-3, Undefeated in the league, with a road win over top 20 Iowa and win over #32 Michigan. Zero bad loss. Lost its 2 games by a total of 5 points outside of the UC Ass kicking.

Kenpom has Illinois predicted on a game by game basis to lose just one more game in conference.


just say.... I was wrong about Illinois. that a 20 beating of Illinois is a great win for UC..

not sure why you keep comping to Houston.. never said anything about houston having better wins

and just cause i like basketball talk, i dont agree with a few of your points... 1 being the tournament isnt decided today and the metrics are not going to be the end all be all..
houston isnt getting a 1 seed, despite being top 5 in net and kenpom as an example

just some basketball talk-- oregon just had to back to back top 5 wins.. oregon doesnt need to do serious work, they are in the tournament if the selection was today.. the serious work has already been done
its odd how they start bad every year but end of great every year
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Can we talk more about the FIU to ACC rumor from post #611? I thought Buffalo was next up.
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(01-17-2022 02:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-17-2022 01:50 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-17-2022 01:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  not what i said....

a UC fan said their "worst" case scenerio is a fringe top 25 team... i said its more likely that could be their best case scenerio.... i wasnt saying it was their best case...

LMFAO... This is your direct quote:


(01-17-2022 01:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  at best a fringe top25! at worst they play in the big 10, The losses can easily pile on..
you are such a manipulative person.. add the full context!!!! like i wrote
i said at best in response to a post that said at worst top 25..i was making a witty response to someone overhyping illinois.. the full context for anyone with common sense it clearly states im retorting that saying at worst top 25 is a strong take ..but you removed that context!!!!!

(11-22-2021 08:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 08:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  they are at worst fringe top 25 with Kofi,
at worst?? fringe top 25?

at best a fringe top25! at worst they play in the big 10, The losses can easily pile on..

Lol how was I overhyping Illinois? I said they were likely overrated as a Top 10 team, but with Kofi and at full strength they seemed like a fringe Top 25 at worst. That seems to be playing out exactly as I said. They've soared back into the Top 20, and that's without Curbelo playing for the past 2 months.

They are 10 in NET, 12 in KenPom, 10 in BPI, 12 in Sagarin, 12 in Massey Composite, 16 in KPI, 13 in TRank. Current 4 seed in BracketMatrix. I mean, the list goes on. And they haven't been scraping by, so you can't say they've been getting lucky. 10-20 feels about right for them.

Sometimes it's ok just to acknowledge you were wrong. It happens to everyone. I'm wrong plenty. I just wasn't on this one.
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(01-18-2022 09:01 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(01-17-2022 02:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-17-2022 01:50 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-17-2022 01:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  not what i said....

a UC fan said their "worst" case scenerio is a fringe top 25 team... i said its more likely that could be their best case scenerio.... i wasnt saying it was their best case...

LMFAO... This is your direct quote:


(01-17-2022 01:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  at best a fringe top25! at worst they play in the big 10, The losses can easily pile on..
you are such a manipulative person.. add the full context!!!! like i wrote
i said at best in response to a post that said at worst top 25..i was making a witty response to someone overhyping illinois.. the full context for anyone with common sense it clearly states im retorting that saying at worst top 25 is a strong take ..but you removed that context!!!!!

(11-22-2021 08:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 08:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  they are at worst fringe top 25 with Kofi,
at worst?? fringe top 25?

at best a fringe top25! at worst they play in the big 10, The losses can easily pile on..

Lol how was I overhyping Illinois? I said they were likely overrated as a Top 10 team, but with Kofi and at full strength they seemed like a fringe Top 25 at worst. That seems to be playing out exactly as I said. They've soared back into the Top 20, and that's without Curbelo playing for the past 2 months.

They are 10 in NET, 12 in KenPom, 10 in BPI, 12 in Sagarin, 12 in Massey Composite, 16 in KPI, 13 in TRank. Current 4 seed in BracketMatrix. I mean, the list goes on. And they haven't been scraping by, so you can't say they've been getting lucky. 10-20 feels about right for them.

Sometimes it's ok just to acknowledge you were wrong. It happens to everyone. I'm wrong plenty. I just wasn't on this one.

You might as well tell coach P to stop breathing.
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Stating a 2-2 Illinois that just lost to Cincy and Marquette is at worst a fringe top 25 is a horrendous take .. it’s like someone saying Arkansas wasn’t a good team when they played Cincy, and then bragging that you are correct when they started 0-3 in SEC play (with losses to vandy, miss st, and a&m-- with a Hofstra loss before that).. saying they weren’t good at the time they played Cincy would have been a horrendous take

Also no one is finding it ridiculous that we are using midseason ranking as the “I told you so”
Even though I clearly said the full season big 10 schedules could potentially put some losses on them…
Similar to someone saying Arkansas "was" bad after the 0-3 start, they now gotten 2 straight wins.. using snapshots at a certain time is silly

I honestly can believe I thought mark was this super smart person like a year ago…

and stx your take was horrendous and overhyping like crazy.. all because your bad take has signs of life doesn’t stop it from being a horrendous take..

If I said Tulane was a top 2 aac team after they lost to southern and came into conference play 4-8= that’s a horrendous take.. using a snapshot after they started 4-1 still doesn’t make a take that saying they were top 2 in the aac when they were 4-8 not a horrendous take..
UC fans are over hypers
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LMFAO. Being right is a horrendous take now. Holy $hit you twist yourself into pretzels.

Not overreacting to Illinois losing a couple early season games isn't a "horrendous take". Most of us understood they didn't have Kofi against Marquette and they were too talented not to compete for the Big Ten Championship (which would make them a protected seed type team). Just because you thought a couple early losses (one without Kofi) made them a "bubble" type team or "best case scenario" top 25 type team doesn't make that overreaction take good.
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(01-18-2022 12:14 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  LMFAO. Being right is a horrendous take now. Holy $hit you twist yourself into pretzels.

Not overreacting to Illinois losing a couple early season games isn't a "horrendous take". Most of us understood they didn't have Kofi against Marquette and they were too talented not to compete for the Big Ten Championship (which would make them a protected seed type team). Just because you thought a couple early losses (one without Kofi) made them a "bubble" type team or "best case scenario" top 25 type team doesn't make that overreaction take good.

we've literally disuccessed this like 10 times... i wasnt reacting on the losses but the lack of help around kofi at the time...kofi alone isnt winning a conference title ..especially since he struggles with double teams ... if you go back to that convo it was about how illinois needed a guard to step up...it wasnt about early losses but how they played....plummer was their 7th man who was doing 5pts per on 23% shooting at that time.. he is now their number 2 player

and again you aren't right (yet).....how is this common sense getting over your head.. using mid-season snapshots is a dumb take on a full-season conversation!!!!!

they could lose their next 2 games, and they would be unranked, just from those 2 losses ... you wouldn't see me trying to brag that "i was right that they had a worse "worst case scenario"...because there is still a full season to go..stop acting like youve proved your genius
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and so everyone is clear...i always said Illinois was good, i said i saw Illinois as a bubble team... i noted that they have the potential to be even better but a guard had to step up

i made a funny remark to stx "at worst fringe top 25" to "at best fringe top25" as a funny remark to them overhyping, and not acknowledging they play in the big 10 and the losses could pile on (that mark is acting like gospel and not a joke)

mark loves premature victories, im not kidding everytime we have any disagreement in any take, any slight edge he ALWAYS runs to bump acting like he has won...Every time.. like when Brannen switched from a federal suit to a state suit (meaningless)..and he ran to bump that thread after he canceled the federal one about how my posts are going to look so dumb, pretending UC had won...only to back peddle after finding out he had refiled...there have been 2 or 3 updates showing UC is probably going to lose, but you dont see me bumping like i won after minor moral victories because we don't know till it's final (brannen lawyer revealed by law and contract you must have a hearing when firing with cause, no hearing was had)
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Wow this is exciting stuff. Pesik you sound super intelligent except for the part where you said you saw Illinois as a bubble team this year.
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(01-18-2022 01:00 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Wow this is exciting stuff. Pesik you sound super intelligent except for the part where you said you saw Illinois as a bubble team this year.

missing the context was that this was after they lost to cincy and marquette.. ps when i say bubble team i mean lower seed tourney team ..like 9-12 type seed

if i were to give a re-evaluation now it would be higher with the rise of plummer but itd probably still be lower than the overhyping of uc fans
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(01-18-2022 11:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  Stating a 2-2 Illinois that just lost to Cincy and Marquette is at worst a fringe top 25 is a horrendous take .. it’s like someone saying Arkansas wasn’t a good team when they played Cincy, and then bragging that you are correct when they started 0-3 in SEC play (with losses to vandy, miss st, and a&m-- with a Hofstra loss before that).. saying they weren’t good at the time they played Cincy would have been a horrendous take

Also no one is finding it ridiculous that we are using midseason ranking as the “I told you so”
Even though I clearly said the full season big 10 schedules could potentially put some losses on them…
Similar to someone saying Arkansas "was" bad after the 0-3 start, they now gotten 2 straight wins.. using snapshots at a certain time is silly

I honestly can believe I thought mark was this super smart person like a year ago…

and stx your take was horrendous and overhyping like crazy.. all because your bad take has signs of life doesn’t stop it from being a horrendous take..

If I said Tulane was a top 2 aac team after they lost to southern and came into conference play 4-8= that’s a horrendous take.. using a snapshot after they started 4-1 still doesn’t make a take that saying they were top 2 in the aac when they were 4-8 not a horrendous take..
UC fans are over hypers

That's a really long winded way of saying you were wrong. But, hey, it's your time, not mine.

I love that you are sticking to your guns on this one. It was a fair call then when trying to size up the level of the win for UC. And it's played out in a pretty normal way. Not one normal person would bat an eye at that statement.

You act like the subject of that statement was UC and not Illinois. Now, THAT would have been a spicy take.

Keep at it though, keep telling on yourself.

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(01-18-2022 01:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 01:00 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Wow this is exciting stuff. Pesik you sound super intelligent except for the part where you said you saw Illinois as a bubble team this year.

missing the context was that this was after they lost to cincy and marquette.. ps when i say bubble team i mean lower seed tourney team ..like 9-12 type seed

if i were to give a re-evaluation now it would be higher with the rise of plummer but itd probably still be lower than the overhyping of uc fans

Yeah just a couple of terrible November losses huh

Also, tell me oh great one, would you consider it "overhyping" to claim that UC's win over Illinois is the AAC's best non-conference win this season?
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(11-23-2021 10:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  BTW... Illinois is more likely to win the Big 10 than miss the tournament.

They might not pull it out but Illinois is playing for a big ten championship on the last day of the regular season.
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(03-06-2022 08:49 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  BTW... Illinois is more likely to win the Big 10 than miss the tournament.

They might not pull it out but Illinois is playing for a big ten championship on the last day of the regular season.

and ironically a loss would make also them fringe top 25
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(03-06-2022 09:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(03-06-2022 08:49 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  BTW... Illinois is more likely to win the Big 10 than miss the tournament.

They might not pull it out but Illinois is playing for a big ten championship on the last day of the regular season.

and ironically a loss would make also them fringe top 25
But decidedly not a bubble team. 02-13-banana
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