Agnostics and Atheists do not care what you believe or how you worship.

PP does way more than provide safe abortions. And if you think 500 million is a lot, let introduce you to the F22.
Our defense budget exceeds the next 11 countries COMBINED, 9 of them are allies.

We could work the math on Medicare for all. The over head for Medicare now is 2%, for private insurance it is 12%. That is 10% right there.
CBO says we would save about 650 BILLION by 2030 with M4A. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56811

(11-24-2021 05:00 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 04:44 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 03:51 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 03:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 03:28 PM)All4One Wrote:  Biden isn't there yet, but give him time if he hasn't died in office yet. He does have the most per year average since Truman.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statisti...ive-orders

I'm not going to define socialism and communism In your purely distorted views, but there are good sources.

https://pin.it/7t3s1hb

I already spoke at length about his EO, you aren't telling me anything I didn't know, or didn't already address...

(11-23-2021 12:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  But I'd love to know where you pulled that "more executive orders than any other president in American history" because that just isn't true. He's currently on pace to pass Trump's total(who had the most in a single term since Carter, Trump also reached 80% of Obama's two term total in his single term) but Biden could increase his pace by 30% and he still wouldn't catch Truman's total for either term, he'd have to increase his pace by 70% to approach Teddy Roosevelt and neither of those two are in the top three for cumulative total or most in a single term. Biden could triple his pace and he'd still be a distant second to FDR in EOs per year. FDR averaged 307 a year for 12 years, Biden's current pace not quite through his first year is projected at 86(Trump's was 55).

You just follow Trump's lead of saying things that feel true, or giving you partial benefit of the doubt, you probably heard it from someone else and just went about your way repeating it.

Yes, and I'm acknowledging that I am wrong about the executive orders but not about the Democrat agenda to replace capitalism and free-enterprise with a mixture of socialism and communism or about Antifa as a domestic terrorist network. Their work indicates that they engage in terrorism.

Nor will I back down on atheism and agnosticism as a set of beliefs. Belief in unbelief is a belief. And belief in the ambiguity of beliefs is also a belief.

1) Next address the part where you told me I was wrong about all the countries with universal healthcare etc.

2) We absolutely need to fix the broken late stage capitalist dystopia we're living in and yes, socialism as it is found in literally every developed country in the world is the answer. You still don't understand communism if you think thats what any of this is.

3) Where did I say that agnosticism wasn't a belief system? All I said is nothing based on agnostic beliefs impedes on your rights. What does agnosticism say you cannot do?

What does Agnosticism say I can't do? How about refusing to celebrate and honor sodomy? That's why Athlete Ally went after BYU when they tried to join the Big XII in 2016. The Honor Code at BYU refuses to endorse gay sex.

How does agnosticism say that you have to celebrate or honor sodomy? You're confusing being told you can't use your bible to tell others that they cannot do something with being told that you cannot do something.

(11-24-2021 05:49 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 05:22 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  Agnostics and Atheists do not care what you believe or how you worship.

PP does way more than provide safe abortions. And if you think 500 million is a lot, let introduce you to the F22.
Our defense budget exceeds the next 11 countries COMBINED, 9 of them are allies.

We could work the math on Medicare for all. The over head for Medicare now is 2%, for private insurance it is 12%. That is 10% right there.
CBO says we would save about 650 BILLION by 2030 with M4A. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56811

Let's just defund our defense department and usher in another 9-11 on top of widespread crime.

The 9-11 attackers came mostly from an ally.

It is quite impressive how you are always wrong.

Can always tell when all41 gets his panties twisted. Neg rep points!! Atheists don't not believe in a God. They do not acknowledge that one exists.

(11-24-2021 05:49 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 05:22 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  Agnostics and Atheists do not care what you believe or how you worship.

PP does way more than provide safe abortions. And if you think 500 million is a lot, let introduce you to the F22.
Our defense budget exceeds the next 11 countries COMBINED, 9 of them are allies.

We could work the math on Medicare for all. The over head for Medicare now is 2%, for private insurance it is 12%. That is 10% right there.
CBO says we would save about 650 BILLION by 2030 with M4A. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56811

Let's just defund our defense department and usher in another 9-11 on top of widespread crime.

This is a strawman argument, no one is saying defund defense entirely, there's a lot of room between "defund the DoD" and "maybe let's stop lighting money on fire in giving the Pentagon a blank check".

(11-24-2021 09:08 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 08:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 05:49 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 05:22 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  Agnostics and Atheists do not care what you believe or how you worship.

PP does way more than provide safe abortions. And if you think 500 million is a lot, let introduce you to the F22.
Our defense budget exceeds the next 11 countries COMBINED, 9 of them are allies.

We could work the math on Medicare for all. The over head for Medicare now is 2%, for private insurance it is 12%. That is 10% right there.
CBO says we would save about 650 BILLION by 2030 with M4A. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56811

Let's just defund our defense department and usher in another 9-11 on top of widespread crime.

This is a strawman argument, no one is saying defund defense entirely, there's a lot of room between "defund the DoD" and "maybe let's stop lighting money on fire in giving the Pentagon a blank check".

Tell that to Black Lives Matter.

How incredibly predictable.

Black Lives Matter.

And we need to defund the police, defunding =/= abolishing or defunding 100% of their budget. Our local police are overly militarized, overextended, undertrained, and generally asked to do lot of things they aren't properly trained to handle and for things armed LEO aren't necessary for.

There are areas of this country where you have to train for more hours to cut hair legally than to work as a police officer.

Our police kill 1,000 citizens a year, a number unheard of in any other developed nation. In the UK five in a year is a lot.

And all of that to solve a fraction of crimes committed.

You don't understand "defunding" in the case of police or DoD, both of which are things we are currently overfunding, or at minimum misdirecting funding.

(11-25-2021 12:36 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 09:08 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 08:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 05:49 PM)All4One Wrote:  Let's just defund our defense department and usher in another 9-11 on top of widespread crime.

This is a strawman argument, no one is saying defund defense entirely, there's a lot of room between "defund the DoD" and "maybe let's stop lighting money on fire in giving the Pentagon a blank check".

Tell that to Black Lives Matter.

How incredibly predictable.

Black Lives Matter.

And we need to defund the police, defunding =/= abolishing or defunding 100% of their budget. Our local police are overly militarized, overextended, undertrained, and generally asked to do lot of things they aren't properly trained to handle and for things armed LEO aren't necessary for.

There are areas of this country where you have to train for more hours to cut hair legally than to work as a police officer.

Our police kill 1,000 citizens a year, a number unheard of in any other developed nation. In the UK five in a year is a lot.

And all of that to solve a fraction of crimes committed.

You don't understand "defunding" in the case of police or DoD, both of which are things we are currently overfunding, or at minimum misdirecting funding.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/da...oting.html

Cool

(11-25-2021 07:14 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 02:30 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 12:36 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 09:08 PM)All4One Wrote:  Tell that to Black Lives Matter.

How incredibly predictable.

Black Lives Matter.

And we need to defund the police, defunding =/= abolishing or defunding 100% of their budget. Our local police are overly militarized, overextended, undertrained, and generally asked to do lot of things they aren't properly trained to handle and for things armed LEO aren't necessary for.

There are areas of this country where you have to train for more hours to cut hair legally than to work as a police officer.

Our police kill 1,000 citizens a year, a number unheard of in any other developed nation. In the UK five in a year is a lot.

And all of that to solve a fraction of crimes committed.

You don't understand "defunding" in the case of police or DoD, both of which are things we are currently overfunding, or at minimum misdirecting funding.

https://images.app.goo.gl/Ci52WqhqRXSE1W4d6

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https://images.app.goo.gl/mBgPxD5kekc2Y2gv7

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/da...oting.html

Cool

You would think it was cool for a BLM sympathizer to murder 5 officers during a RIOT in Dallas that his organization started. That makes you a garbage person.

No, I think it's "cool" that you simply posted three photos without context or explanation, it's a really strong argument.

(11-25-2021 10:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 07:14 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 02:30 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 12:36 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-24-2021 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  How incredibly predictable.

Black Lives Matter.

And we need to defund the police, defunding =/= abolishing or defunding 100% of their budget. Our local police are overly militarized, overextended, undertrained, and generally asked to do lot of things they aren't properly trained to handle and for things armed LEO aren't necessary for.

There are areas of this country where you have to train for more hours to cut hair legally than to work as a police officer.

Our police kill 1,000 citizens a year, a number unheard of in any other developed nation. In the UK five in a year is a lot.

And all of that to solve a fraction of crimes committed.

You don't understand "defunding" in the case of police or DoD, both of which are things we are currently overfunding, or at minimum misdirecting funding.

https://images.app.goo.gl/Ci52WqhqRXSE1W4d6

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https://images.app.goo.gl/mBgPxD5kekc2Y2gv7

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/da...oting.html

Cool

You would think it was cool for a BLM sympathizer to murder 5 officers during a RIOT in Dallas that his organization started. That makes you a garbage person.

No, I think it's "cool" that you simply posted three photos without context or explanation, it's a really strong argument.

He's got nothing but performative outrage. That's it. That's all.
When confronted with facts that blow up every argument(M4A, PP, EOs, Antifa,etc) he has, he retreats to the same tired tropes.

(11-25-2021 02:32 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 11:32 AM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 10:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 07:14 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 02:30 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Cool

You would think it was cool for a BLM sympathizer to murder 5 officers during a RIOT in Dallas that his organization started. That makes you a garbage person.

No, I think it's "cool" that you simply posted three photos without context or explanation, it's a really strong argument.

He's got nothing but performative outrage. That's it. That's all.
When confronted with facts that blow up every argument(M4A, PP, EOs, Antifa,etc) he has, he retreats to the same tired tropes.

I have provided plenty of evidence that Antifa is associated with the anarchist Torch Network, who burned down 1500 homes and businesses in 2020.

I know what Planned Parenthood does, and I know that they don't need $530 Million from taxpayers (many who are conservatives) to help finance abortion, Democrat candidate campaigns, and lavish lifestyles given to their CEO and executive board. That's a fact.

You have failed to produce what free Healthcare for all would cost, who should pay for it, and what happens to all the health insurance companies and their employees when their services are being taken over by the federal government.

You have failed to acknowledge that Biden has signed more executive orders per year than any president since Truman.

You say taxpayer dollars do whatever you want at PP because "money can be moved around" you haven't proven anything.

It must be very confusing living in a world where you simultaneously believe we can't pay for M4A, but think that "Maybe if we defunded Planned Parenthood, grandma wouldn't have to work til she's 80 nor would any child go hungry or without insulin."

(11-25-2021 04:03 PM)All4One Wrote:  Why can't PP use their donations from the liberal pigs in Hollywood and Congress to pay for that $530 Million alleged tax need? What are those donations used for? And why does the taxpayers (right-wing Christians included) have to contribute to a far-left political activist group like Planned Parenthood?

As far as tax debt, we can't afford all those Soviet socialist-like programs you want to see in America and still maintain our identity as the Land of Opportunity and free enterprise. You have still failed to produce the evidence that American taxpayers can dish the trillions annually it would take to adequately cover just M4A for all the 350 Million citizens in this country. And that doesn't include funding for free education for all, free homes for all, free cars for all, free designer clothes for all and everything else you liberal pigs think we can afford.

As far as PP's over half a billion in unnecessary tax contributions, I believe every little bit helps, and $530 Million could go for something else more meaningful than some far-left political activist group disguised as a women's health organization.

Strawman argument after strawman argument...

None of it is "free" it's just better use of our taxes and not allowing billionaires and corporations to skip on what they should be paying.


Free homes? Free cars? Free designer clothes? You're just making yourself look ******* stupid and undercutting your own argument.

I'll say it again, every other developed nation on the planet has socialized medicine and we're allegedly greater than all of them and we're dramatically richer than most of them. What exactly is the "land of opportunity" found here not found in three dozen other developed countries? The opportunity to go broke over medical bills? The opportunity to stay in a job you don't like to keep a good healthcare plan?

Once again MTPiKapp doesn't have the evidence that taxpayers can afford the TRILLIONS it would cost for free medical care for over 350 Million citizens in addition to the millions more who are permanent residents, non-residents, and asylees. Once again MTPiKapp can't explain what would happen to the private health insurance industry and its employees when the federal government takes over the industry and makes it their own under M4A.
The abolishment of private industry to be controlled by the government is a principle of Karl Marx Communism.

(11-25-2021 05:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 04:03 PM)All4One Wrote:  Why can't PP use their donations from the liberal pigs in Hollywood and Congress to pay for that $530 Million alleged tax need? What are those donations used for? And why does the taxpayers (right-wing Christians included) have to contribute to a far-left political activist group like Planned Parenthood?

As far as tax debt, we can't afford all those Soviet socialist-like programs you want to see in America and still maintain our identity as the Land of Opportunity and free enterprise. You have still failed to produce the evidence that American taxpayers can dish the trillions annually it would take to adequately cover just M4A for all the 350 Million citizens in this country. And that doesn't include funding for free education for all, free homes for all, free cars for all, free designer clothes for all and everything else you liberal pigs think we can afford.

As far as PP's over half a billion in unnecessary tax contributions, I believe every little bit helps, and $530 Million could go for something else more meaningful than some far-left political activist group disguised as a women's health organization.

Strawman argument after strawman argument...

None of it is "free" it's just better use of our taxes and not allowing billionaires and corporations to skip on what they should be paying.


Free homes? Free cars? Free designer clothes? You're just making yourself look ******* stupid and undercutting your own argument.

I'll say it again, every other developed nation on the planet has socialized medicine and we're allegedly greater than all of them and we're dramatically richer than most of them. What exactly is the "land of opportunity" found here not found in three dozen other developed countries? The opportunity to go broke over medical bills? The opportunity to stay in a job you don't like to keep a good healthcare plan?

Evidence of cost of free M4A vs the amount of taxes that could be feasibly raised. Go.

M4A saves money

The whole idea that we can't move away from our woefully broken healthcare industry because of what it would mean to the private insurance industry is a remarkably dumb take. Why do we need the private insurance industry? How to they make you well?

You know if LU ran the country however it wanted it would be damn close to the handmaidens tale. So having opposition helps one extreme from happening.

(11-26-2021 11:21 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  You know if the new gop, aka the trump cult, or LU ran the country however it wanted it would be damn close to the handmaidens tale. So having opposition helps one extreme from happening.

FIFY

Wow, this thread had more twists & turns than The Knowing