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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.
11-12-2021 09:31 AM
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
11-12-2021 09:34 AM
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.
No joke! Like someone is doing something nefarious for simply following a contract. I mean who would think it’s a good idea to not do this. How silly!
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?
11-12-2021 09:38 AM
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?


Okay, but that's not what everyone was saying, and if it was, then it wasn't very clear. I asked the Marshall fan who would pay Conference USA for Marshall not to be there in 2023, but he never answered. If the Slum Belch is paying that, then that's great. I don't care what those schools actually pay or is paid on their behalf. I care that the Conference USA and its remaining members are paid what they are owed by those exiting members.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.

I looked back at the article, AD's quote is
Quote:“I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.”

Reporter added
Quote:USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.
This last part was not attributed to the USM AD.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.

USM official did not say that as the article did not us a direct quote from them.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

How does CUSA get a year's distribution for USM AND the Sunbelt gets a year distribution for USM IN THE SAME YEAR?
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:55 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.

USM official did not say that as the article did not us a direct quote from them.

Good catch. Basically summarizes what Southern Miss loses in total from the perspective of the school based on a reporter's understanding of the contract. But if the Slum Belch is going to pay for that second year of fees as gdunn says, then I'm fine with that.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:59 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

How does CUSA get a year's distribution for USM AND the Sunbelt gets a year distribution for USM IN THE SAME YEAR?

He's referring to what Southern Miss would be paid in CUSA in 2023 being deducted from the what the Suck Belch has agreed to pay them in 2023....at least I think that's what he means. The CFP distribution is a flat $17-18 Million per Gang of 5 conference anyways, but I guess part of it is the ESPN media distribution the Belch has recently contracted.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:53 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?


Okay, but that's not what everyone was saying, and if it was, then it wasn't very clear. I asked the Marshall fan who would pay Conference USA for Marshall not to be there in 2023, but he never answered. If the Slum Belch is paying that, then that's great. I don't care what those schools actually pay or is paid on their behalf. I care that the Conference USA and its remaining members are paid what they are owed by those exiting members.

Again this all goes back to what the contract says and interpretation. Things we are not privy to.

Let's just say my statement above is 100% correct. USM leaves, gives up 2 years of CUSA distribution, CUSA is paid in full, whether it's an early leave or an ontime leave.

The question is can USM leave early, right now I'm not sure we can. I think there's negotiating that has to occur between USM, CUSA, and the SBC. There's a question regarding the 14 month notice and if there are additional exit penalties, and those are things that we are not privy to, and pending on what the situation with the SBC distribution if we come early vs early exit fees may play into this.

I do wonder with USM being in CUSA for 20+ years if we had to sign a new contract every x number of years or after re-alignment happen or when teams were added, or if we're still on the original contract and what that contractual language is when it comes to leaving the conference or if we have an original contract and any time they needed to re-up it, it was only a document that said the previous contract was still intact. That could mean USM/UAB's contract is different than Marshalls and theirs could be different than FAUs. Again I don't know this is all theory or opinion.

Lots of moving parts.

This is where it may go into arbitration because of all the interpretation of the language of what the contract says.

Again I don't know what's going to happen or what's happening.

I know Marshall and ODU both stated they were exploring going in '22 and now it appears USM is doing the same. Who knows what is exactly going on.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 10:08 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:59 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

How does CUSA get a year's distribution for USM AND the Sunbelt gets a year distribution for USM IN THE SAME YEAR?

He's referring to what Southern Miss would be paid in CUSA in 2023 being deducted from the what the Suck Belch has agreed to pay them in 2023....at least I think that's what he means. The CFP distribution is a flat $17-18 Million per Gang of 5 conference anyways, but I guess part of it is the ESPN media distribution the Belch has recently contracted.

Words are hard. No. USM is not getting distribution for the 2021-2022 season. That's our penalty for this season. Next season which is 2022-2023 we don't get distribution from CUSA, whether we stay or go, so there's that $1.5 to CUSA. The theory is if USM leaves CUSA still gets that 1.5, but USM would get a share of the SBC distribution. I'm not 100% sure. I'm going on what I've seen others say.

Again there's alot of moving parts we don't know.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:26 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.
I still think there's other moving parts to this as well, with scheduling and the 14 month notice.

IF the rumors are true and USM was negotiating back during the summer with SBC/AAC, could they had given notice they may leave the conference and therefore the 14 months are up in July of 22.. I don't know. It's all conjecture.


For the fans who seem to want to be rid of USM cause it drags down CUSA, they sure as hell don't want us to leave.

You are 100% correct. There are a lot of moving parts. The biggest hurdle is scheduling. There has been some talk on the Marshall side that if we enter on July 1st 2022, that Marshal will schedule JMU in football as an "out of conference game" since the previously scheduled App State game on our schedule will turn into a conference game. And Marshall is not the only school that is jumping in and helping JMU fill out a schedule as they transition to FBS. Look for ODU and Southern Miss to do the same and schedule games with JMU for 2022. Both ODU and Southern Miss have Liberty on the schedule for 2022 and Liberty will be dropping those games to fill out their schedule as they enter CUSA. Assuming the enter CUSA on July 1st of 2022 as we exit.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:23 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here you go guys.....Don't take it from me. Take it from a direct quote of a CUSA school official. Argue with this guy:

The earliest USM could enter the Sun Belt is July 1, 2022. Athletic director Jeremy McClain told the Sun Herald he would not rule out early entry. I think anybody in this situation is going to try and do what’s best for your student-athletes,” McClain said. “There’s a lot of conversations to be had with both conferences on what that looks like, but I do think it’s important to have that conversation.” USM’s exit fees will be the sum of C-USA’s revenue distribution over the next two years, which is estimated at $3 million. If Southern Miss were to leave a year early for the Sun Belt, the school would only be forfeiting one year’s worth of revenue from C-USA, or an estimated $1.5 million.


Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

You are 100% correct. And for whatever reason, he just doesn't get it so I gave up on trying to explain it to him. He has this socialist utopia, visionary mind that some schools is just going to write a check for $3 Million after its been said and confirmed time and time again that exit fees are collected via conference revenue distributions being withheld.Why that is so hard to understand, I have no idea. Also keep in mind that by leaving early, schools like Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss no longer has to pay the annual $500K membership dues to CUSA if we leave a year early. Another reason to leave this dump early.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 10:43 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

You are 100% correct. And for whatever reason, he just doesn't get it so I gave up on trying to explain it to him. He has this socialist utopia, visionary mind that some schools is just going to write a check for $3 Million after its been said and confirmed time and time again that exit fees are collected via conference revenue distributions being withheld.Why that is so hard to understand, I have no idea. Also keep in mind that by leaving early, schools like Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss no longer has to pay the annual $500K membership dues to CUSA if we leave a year early. Another reason to leave this dump early.

I am not some ****** socialist. But you did not explain the exit fees from the CUSA perspective. You explained it from the Marshall perspective, and I don't give a s*** how much money Marshall gets from the Suck Belch. I just care that CUSA gets the monetary distribution that is owed them on Marshall's behalf whether the Slum Belch pays it in 2023 or someone else
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 10:43 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  Yeah, then the wording in the contract needs to express a flat rate in dollars if that's the case. So stupid to leave an open-ended exit fee for flakes to take advantage of.
Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

You are 100% correct. And for whatever reason, he just doesn't get it so I gave up on trying to explain it to him. He has this socialist utopia, visionary mind that some schools is just going to write a check for $3 Million after its been said and confirmed time and time again that exit fees are collected via conference revenue distributions being withheld.Why that is so hard to understand, I have no idea. Also keep in mind that by leaving early, schools like Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss no longer has to pay the annual $500K membership dues to CUSA if we leave a year early. Another reason to leave this dump early.

That $500k due might be the early exit penalty. I could see that. Like the dues are collected as if we are in conference for the full exit period of 14 months (2 athletic years). I don't think we would quibble over that to get out of this mess.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-12-2021 10:49 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 10:43 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Is it flakes who take advantage of contractual wording?

This tells me you don't understand contracts.

I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

You are 100% correct. And for whatever reason, he just doesn't get it so I gave up on trying to explain it to him. He has this socialist utopia, visionary mind that some schools is just going to write a check for $3 Million after its been said and confirmed time and time again that exit fees are collected via conference revenue distributions being withheld.Why that is so hard to understand, I have no idea. Also keep in mind that by leaving early, schools like Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss no longer has to pay the annual $500K membership dues to CUSA if we leave a year early. Another reason to leave this dump early.

I am not some ****** socialist. But you did not explain the exit fees from the CUSA perspective. You explained it from the Marshall perspective, and I don't give a s*** how much money Marshall gets from the Suck Belch. I just care that CUSA gets the monetary distribution that is owed them on Marshall's behalf whether the Slum Belch pays it in 2023 or someone else

But that's not what you said. You said repeatedly that the leaving schools will be writing a $3 million check to the conference. And that is why you are essentially be called an idiot.

I do agree it would have been easier to have just said this year that just happened/is happening covers 1 year of fees, and the leaving schools will cover the other year with revenue from their new conference. Meaning we could get out for $1.5M however that get backs to CUSA.

The best part is the remaining CUSA schools sans AAC defectors, will get a fatter distribution over the next 2 years, but that will be totally negated from 2023 on out with the complete lack of any media deal that the CUSA FCS conference will be receiving. So you keep slurring the Sun Belt with your fun terms of endearment, but you're eaten up with not being part of that conference and we not only get the last laugh but all the laughs in between, while your open wound festers.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-24-2021 05:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 10:49 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 10:43 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:34 AM)All4One Wrote:  I know that the contract must not be rigid enough if a Southern Miss official is saying the school only pays for 1-year of exit fees if they leave early.
Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

You are 100% correct. And for whatever reason, he just doesn't get it so I gave up on trying to explain it to him. He has this socialist utopia, visionary mind that some schools is just going to write a check for $3 Million after its been said and confirmed time and time again that exit fees are collected via conference revenue distributions being withheld.Why that is so hard to understand, I have no idea. Also keep in mind that by leaving early, schools like Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss no longer has to pay the annual $500K membership dues to CUSA if we leave a year early. Another reason to leave this dump early.

I am not some ****** socialist. But you did not explain the exit fees from the CUSA perspective. You explained it from the Marshall perspective, and I don't give a s*** how much money Marshall gets from the Suck Belch. I just care that CUSA gets the monetary distribution that is owed them on Marshall's behalf whether the Slum Belch pays it in 2023 or someone else

But that's not what you said. You said repeatedly that the leaving schools will be writing a $3 million check to the conference. And that is why you are essentially be called an idiot.

I do agree it would have been easier to have just said this year that just happened/is happening covers 1 year of fees, and the leaving schools will cover the other year with revenue from their new conference. Meaning we could get out for $1.5M however that get backs to CUSA.

The best part is the remaining CUSA schools sans AAC defectors, will get a fatter distribution over the next 2 years, but that will be totally negated from 2023 on out with the complete lack of any media deal that the CUSA FCS conference will be receiving. So you keep slurring the Sun Belt with your fun terms of endearment, but you're eaten up with not being part of that conference and we not only get the last laugh but all the laughs in between, while your open wound festers.

You are so full of s***! I did not say that the exiting school would write a $3 Million check. I said the exiting school may be writing a check to make up for the funds they owe the league for what is owed. Where Marshall gets the money is something I don't give a f*** about. That wasn't the point. The point is that Conference USA would inherit 2-years worth of conference distributions from a payee representing Marshall whether the school left early or not.
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RE: Southern Miss to leave early?
(11-24-2021 05:14 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 05:05 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 10:49 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 10:43 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 09:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Nobody pays exit fees. It's all paid in conference distribution.

If USM leaves on time, they miss out on 2 years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

If USM leaves a year early, they miss out on 2 years of distribution from CUSA which is estimated at $3 million. If they leave a year early to the SBC, then the year of distribution they miss from CUSA is replaced with a year of distribution from SBC. So in essence yes, USM only loses $1.5, but CUSA gets it paid in full.

What do you not understand?

You are 100% correct. And for whatever reason, he just doesn't get it so I gave up on trying to explain it to him. He has this socialist utopia, visionary mind that some schools is just going to write a check for $3 Million after its been said and confirmed time and time again that exit fees are collected via conference revenue distributions being withheld.Why that is so hard to understand, I have no idea. Also keep in mind that by leaving early, schools like Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss no longer has to pay the annual $500K membership dues to CUSA if we leave a year early. Another reason to leave this dump early.

I am not some ****** socialist. But you did not explain the exit fees from the CUSA perspective. You explained it from the Marshall perspective, and I don't give a s*** how much money Marshall gets from the Suck Belch. I just care that CUSA gets the monetary distribution that is owed them on Marshall's behalf whether the Slum Belch pays it in 2023 or someone else

But that's not what you said. You said repeatedly that the leaving schools will be writing a $3 million check to the conference. And that is why you are essentially be called an idiot.

I do agree it would have been easier to have just said this year that just happened/is happening covers 1 year of fees, and the leaving schools will cover the other year with revenue from their new conference. Meaning we could get out for $1.5M however that get backs to CUSA.

The best part is the remaining CUSA schools sans AAC defectors, will get a fatter distribution over the next 2 years, but that will be totally negated from 2023 on out with the complete lack of any media deal that the CUSA FCS conference will be receiving. So you keep slurring the Sun Belt with your fun terms of endearment, but you're eaten up with not being part of that conference and we not only get the last laugh but all the laughs in between, while your open wound festers.

You are so full of s***! I did not say that the exiting school would write a $3 Million check. I said the exiting school may be writing a check to make up for the funds they owe the league for what is owed. Where Marshall gets the money is something I don't give a f*** about. That wasn't the point. The point is that Marshall would pay the 2-years worth of conference distributions to CUSA whether they left early or not.

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