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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(12-29-2021 01:50 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
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(12-28-2021 03:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I have often thought the networks would push for a “one league” of say 80 schools separated by geographic divisions. This way they could negotiate one large media deal. This would end schools within the single league from conference hopping.

Of course, the elite schools 10-20 schools would never agree to this unless there was some sort of unequal revenue distribution to them.

With regards to desires of elite brands…they may not agree to equal media distribution when the group is 80 schools, but a 50+/- team grouping could make financial sense.

All you need to do to get the top brands on board is to have a collective media deal that pay's them more than they are currently making under their current conference media deals. So would 60 million dollar per year for 72 teams work?? That is 4.3 billion per year for and 43 billion on a ten year media contract... This is less than half of the 110billion that the NFL is under contract for and last time I checked College football is the second most popular sport in America. These are rough numbers and might not be completely accurate but they get you thinking about what it could look like.

Nope. By 2025 SEC schools will be earning ~76.5 million per school.

This is why I see 3 distinct conferences. The B1G will cling like a tick to the academic distinction (and I get that). The SEC won't take less to include more. And not everyone will be able to adjust to the overhead, so some will play a year or two and drop out. So schools the networks don't want to pay 76.5 million will be grouped in a conference with relative pay to what networks will pay.

I think this will last maybe a decade and surviving schools will be absorbed with the B1G and SEC into a league where the pay will equal out.

I'm not sure we wind up with salary caps though. It will remain to be seen if the SCOTUS chooses to act on it.

Anyway I don't believe we breakaway as one cohesive unit. Like the AFC and NFC it will take time to coalesce.

I follow your logic but I don’t get why schools which don’t get invited to the SEC or the BIG would be grouped in one leftover conference. Can there be two (or more) leftover conferences like the ACC or the Pac?

They would command greater media contracts negotiating as a unit and since most will have suffered some defections to the SEC / B1G it would be essential to form such a conference for not only revenue, but to have a voice in future changes. The problem for the alliance is it formed in response to change and the immediate future changes will come from the SCOTUS so having an alliance is moot since none of us can impact the SCOTUS.

If next Summer athletes are deemed employees of the schools (pay for play) then everyone's overhead jumps significantly. This would alter the equity in existing contracts and by precedent performance contracts which are impacted by court rulings which alter the equity of their contracts are rendered void. This would include media contracts and GOR's. In that climate rapid and massive change can occur.

Consequently, Texas and Oklahoma could leave early as too could North Carolina, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, etc.

If networks want to concentrate such brands in either the SEC or B1G they need only include them at 76.5 million. Those not making such jumps have more leverage and power by joining forces than they would have by remaining in smaller more market restricted conferences.
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Let's not sell ESPN short in this process.
I think ESPN is working hard on pushing Notre Dame into the ACC full time, in hopes that if they (the SEC) can lure the majority of the old ACC into the SEC, that they might get Notre Dame too, which would give ESPN access to the entire mid-west should they (ESPN) lose access to the B1G to the FOX/CBS combo.

Georgia's trip to South Bend opened a lot of Irish eyes.
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(12-30-2021 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  Let's not sell ESPN short in this process.
I think ESPN is working hard on pushing Notre Dame into the ACC full time, in hopes that if they (the SEC) can lure the majority of the old ACC into the SEC, that they might get Notre Dame too, which would give ESPN access to the entire mid-west should they (ESPN) lose access to the B1G to the FOX/CBS combo.

Georgia's trip to South Bend opened a lot of Irish eyes.
I don't disagree with your assessment.

Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


That would be one helluva conference!
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(12-30-2021 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-30-2021 09:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  Let's not sell ESPN short in this process.
I think ESPN is working hard on pushing Notre Dame into the ACC full time, in hopes that if they (the SEC) can lure the majority of the old ACC into the SEC, that they might get Notre Dame too, which would give ESPN access to the entire mid-west should they (ESPN) lose access to the B1G to the FOX/CBS combo.

Georgia's trip to South Bend opened a lot of Irish eyes.
I don't disagree with your assessment.

Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


That would be one helluva conference!

It could be rearranged to function like this:

Notre Dame, VT, UVa, Carolina, Duke, Clemson, Florida State, Miami

Florida, Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Alabama

Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
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And to dispel the notion that the SEC would be the only conference interested in a grouping from the ACC, this type of configuration would be acceptable if necessary to keep friends close:

UVa, Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech,

NC State, Clemson, Florida State, Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Purdue, Northwestern

Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
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Had a random thought about all of this: I seriously wonder how much of this (Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC)is due to the Davos Convention?? For those unfamiliar, basically the Davos Convention is a huge meeting held by the liberals/globalists in the Swiss Alps. It has been held every year since 1972.
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(01-13-2022 10:29 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Had a random thought about all of this: I seriously wonder how much of this (Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC)is due to the Davos Convention?? For those unfamiliar, basically the Davos Convention is a huge meeting held by the liberals/globalists in the Swiss Alps. It has been held every year since 1972.

The globalization of the SEC?
Will they change the name to Single Earth Conference, too?
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Lol!!! 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao No, I actually was referring to Texas' president attending Davos, which I can definitely.see.
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I was wrong. 69 is not the end, but 70.
I'm convinced that Notre Dame won't budge, and they will just have to live in limbo until 2035-36.
We need to start looking at 15, 15, 15, 12, 12 and Notre Dame.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(01-14-2022 08:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:29 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Had a random thought about all of this: I seriously wonder how much of this (Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC)is due to the Davos Convention?? For those unfamiliar, basically the Davos Convention is a huge meeting held by the liberals/globalists in the Swiss Alps. It has been held every year since 1972.

The globalization of the SEC?
Will they change the name to Single Earth Conference, too?
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(01-17-2022 03:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  I was wrong. 69 is not the end, but 70.
I'm convinced that Notre Dame won't budge, and they will just have to live in limbo until 2035-36.
We need to start looking at 15, 15, 15, 12, 12 and Notre Dame.

Interesting that you choose those numbers. 1969 season, January 1, 1970 was Notre Dame's first bowl in 45 years. Played Texas in the Cotton Bowl. They finally broke their tradition of no bowl games.

They will be in a conference eventually, but it will be when independence no longer works for them. Had Kelly not come along, we might be there. But he's brought back some success.
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(01-17-2022 03:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  I was wrong. 69 is not the end, but 70.
I'm convinced that Notre Dame won't budge, and they will just have to live in limbo until 2035-36.
We need to start looking at 15, 15, 15, 12, 12 and Notre Dame.

Interesting that you choose those numbers. 1969 season, January 1, 1970 was Notre Dame's first bowl in 45 years. Played Texas in the Cotton Bowl. They finally broke their tradition of no bowl games.

They will be in a conference eventually, but it will be when independence no longer works for them. Had Kelly not come along, we might be there. But he's brought back some success.

Bullet, we now have a problem and it's the SEC. No the conference, but future SEC scheduling. 16 looks good on paper, but it's a scheduling nightmare. Four pods of 4? Eight teams in a division? No matter how you look at it 16 just doesn't quite fit the bill. The solution being floated is now 18 team conferences?
Realignment has a hard time working, because the right schools are in the wrong place (of vice versa). Maybe the real solution is to allow the Big 12 to survive as a 12 team conference along with the PAC and have the B1G, SEC, and ACC come in at 15 each where the scheduling matrix actually works.

The B1G gets to 15 by adding Kansas
Kansas, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa
Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern
Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

The ACC gets to 15 by adding either Kentucky or South Carolina (I actually prefer Kentucky, but I don't think the Cats are in the "right" location to make the divisions work).
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Miami
Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech

The SEC gets to 15 by losing a team
Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri
Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky
Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, LSU

Big 12
BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State
Baylor, Houston, Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF

PAC
Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, Stanford, Cal
USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado

Scheduling becomes easier for everyone, and football becomes a little more regionally oriented and because conferences/divisions aren't so big that nobody can remember which teams are in which division.
Notre Dame? They can do what ever they do, until........
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How is 15 teams easier to schedule than 16 teams? Someone in every conference has to either have a bye or play a non conference game every week.
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(01-17-2022 03:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  I was wrong. 69 is not the end, but 70.
I'm convinced that Notre Dame won't budge, and they will just have to live in limbo until 2035-36.
We need to start looking at 15, 15, 15, 12, 12 and Notre Dame.



No one has come up with a convincing, compelling reason for ND to budge. Why should it budge? It likes its current status a lot.

This is not what you used to say. You assured me that the fix was in and ND football would definitely join the ACC.

I guess that I have won our bet. What was it, anyway?
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(01-18-2022 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2022 03:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  I was wrong. 69 is not the end, but 70.
I'm convinced that Notre Dame won't budge, and they will just have to live in limbo until 2035-36.
We need to start looking at 15, 15, 15, 12, 12 and Notre Dame.

Interesting that you choose those numbers. 1969 season, January 1, 1970 was Notre Dame's first bowl in 45 years. Played Texas in the Cotton Bowl. They finally broke their tradition of no bowl games.

They will be in a conference eventually, but it will be when independence no longer works for them. Had Kelly not come along, we might be there. But he's brought back some success.


You act like Notre Dame football being in a conference is a good thing, or a notable result. It is not.

54-10 with two playoff berths and a NY 6 bowl berth in five years is a bit more than "some success" in my book.

What if ND continues to have "some success"?
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(01-19-2022 07:20 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-17-2022 03:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  I was wrong. 69 is not the end, but 70.
I'm convinced that Notre Dame won't budge, and they will just have to live in limbo until 2035-36.
We need to start looking at 15, 15, 15, 12, 12 and Notre Dame.



No one has come up with a convincing, compelling reason for ND to budge. Why should it budge? It likes its current status a lot.

This is not what you used to say. You assured me that the fix was in and ND football would definitely join the ACC.

I guess that I have won our bet. What was it, anyway?

A Red Oak at a Grasshoppers game.
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(01-19-2022 08:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-19-2022 07:20 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-17-2022 03:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  I was wrong. 69 is not the end, but 70.
I'm convinced that Notre Dame won't budge, and they will just have to live in limbo until 2035-36.
We need to start looking at 15, 15, 15, 12, 12 and Notre Dame.



No one has come up with a convincing, compelling reason for ND to budge. Why should it budge? It likes its current status a lot.

This is not what you used to say. You assured me that the fix was in and ND football would definitely join the ACC.

I guess that I have won our bet. What was it, anyway?

A Red Oak at a Grasshoppers game.

Sounds good. See you there in June.
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