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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
(11-03-2021 10:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.

Wut?

Marshall can’t play in the AAC if the Sun Belt sponsors soccer.

Why would the CUSA affiliates choose a weaker league and worse travel?

Nobody’s clamoring to be an affiliate member of the AAC.

Lol the number of bad premises in this is really high for three sentences.

You are assuming the sunbelt will sponsor soccer because WVa, Kentucky, and South Carolina will go to the sunbelt, but the sunbelt can't have a league if they don't.

You assume it's a worse league, but one that is not a clearly factual assumption, two it definitely isn't if you remove the p5 teams from the equation. Travel? Ummmm, we span the same footprint as all three p5 teams regular conferences. Not sure Kentucky or W.Va are much closer to the Sunbelt teams then they are to the AAC. You could make an argument for South Carolina, but are they going alone?

We already have affiliate members.

Have a good day
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(11-03-2021 10:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.

Wut?

Marshall can’t play in the AAC if the Sun Belt sponsors soccer.

Why would the CUSA affiliates choose a weaker league and worse travel?

Nobody’s clamoring to be an affiliate member of the AAC.

As of today, the Belt does not sponsor soccer. The newSB4 are hoping they will start it back up. I am suggesting that AAC offers the alternative of a conference committed to the sport.
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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
(11-03-2021 11:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 10:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.

Wut?

Marshall can’t play in the AAC if the Sun Belt sponsors soccer.

Why would the CUSA affiliates choose a weaker league and worse travel?

Nobody’s clamoring to be an affiliate member of the AAC.

Lol the number of bad premises in this is really high for three sentences.

You are assuming the sunbelt will sponsor soccer because WVa, Kentucky, and South Carolina will go to the sunbelt, but the sunbelt can't have a league if they don't.

You assume it's a worse league, but one that is not a clearly factual assumption, two it definitely isn't if you remove the p5 teams from the equation. Travel? Ummmm, we span the same footprint as all three p5 teams regular conferences. Not sure Kentucky or W.Va are much closer to the Sunbelt teams then they are to the AAC. You could make an argument for South Carolina, but are they going alone?

We already have affiliate members.

Have a good day

Bad premises?

Marshall, ODU, JMU, CCU, GSU, GS. Yep we can have a league and an autobid. In fact we will have a league as the commissioner confirmed the other day. Papers will be be filed with the NCAA before the end of the year. No speculation there.

Geographically? Get a map dude.

Strength? The core of the Sun Belt is stronger and have a history with those teams and realize it would be a power league with the affiliates.

Argue till you’re blue in the face but that’s happening and I imagine UCF will join their BIG12 brethren and will be welcome. Depending on what happens in CUSA we may pick up FIU as well.

ODU actually is an affiliate of the AAC in a couple sports.
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(11-03-2021 11:40 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 10:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.

Wut?

Marshall can’t play in the AAC if the Sun Belt sponsors soccer.

Why would the CUSA affiliates choose a weaker league and worse travel?

Nobody’s clamoring to be an affiliate member of the AAC.

As of today, the Belt does not sponsor soccer. The newSB4 are hoping they will start it back up. I am suggesting that AAC offers the alternative of a conference committed to the sport.

See above. SBC soccer is confirmed to be reinstated by the time everyone leaves CUSA.
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(11-03-2021 12:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 11:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 10:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.

Wut?

Marshall can’t play in the AAC if the Sun Belt sponsors soccer.

Why would the CUSA affiliates choose a weaker league and worse travel?

Nobody’s clamoring to be an affiliate member of the AAC.

Lol the number of bad premises in this is really high for three sentences.

You are assuming the sunbelt will sponsor soccer because WVa, Kentucky, and South Carolina will go to the sunbelt, but the sunbelt can't have a league if they don't.

You assume it's a worse league, but one that is not a clearly factual assumption, two it definitely isn't if you remove the p5 teams from the equation. Travel? Ummmm, we span the same footprint as all three p5 teams regular conferences. Not sure Kentucky or W.Va are much closer to the Sunbelt teams then they are to the AAC. You could make an argument for South Carolina, but are they going alone?

We already have affiliate members.

Have a good day

Bad premises?

Marshall, ODU, JMU, CCU, GSU, GS. Yep we can have a league and an autobid. In fact we will have a league as the commissioner confirmed the other day. Papers will be be filed with the NCAA before the end of the year. No speculation there.

Geographically? Get a map dude.

Strength? The core of the Sun Belt is stronger and have a history with those teams and realize it would be a power league with the affiliates.

Argue till you’re blue in the face but that’s happening and I imagine UCF will join their BIG12 brethren and will be welcome. Depending on what happens in CUSA we may pick up FIU as well.

ODU actually is an affiliate of the AAC in a couple sports.

You do need a map, try it out, I hear google is helpful. Start by looking at the AAC footprint and then the Big 12 and SEC. The SBC is a poor version of the ACC in geography, schools, well actually in everything.

Lol don't let Marshall beating your ass at it's one good sport get you confused about your "core".

With the affiliates you'd be a power league 03-lmfao well if we had ND in our football conference we would be a power conference too.

Looks around for brethren. Double checks. W.Va the new team who is technically still joining CUSA next year?

Listen I realize the SBC teams are all in their feelings about getting zero consideration for AAC spots, I know it rankles, and you all are desperate for any thing to soothe those injured egos (I know ODU hoped its affiliation memberships would open the door) but putting yourself out here like that will just end in more humiliation for you all. Take a deep breath, you'll be ok, you made it safely out of that wreck of CUSA after the best teams left got in to the AAC. Maybe the sunbelt isn't quite what CUSA was in your hay day but I think you all can build something there. Hell in a decade.or two the Belt might manage an at large NCAA bid or a NY6 participate. Just focus on what you can do.
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(11-03-2021 12:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 11:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 10:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.

Wut?

Marshall can’t play in the AAC if the Sun Belt sponsors soccer.

Why would the CUSA affiliates choose a weaker league and worse travel?

Nobody’s clamoring to be an affiliate member of the AAC.

Lol the number of bad premises in this is really high for three sentences.

You are assuming the sunbelt will sponsor soccer because WVa, Kentucky, and South Carolina will go to the sunbelt, but the sunbelt can't have a league if they don't.

You assume it's a worse league, but one that is not a clearly factual assumption, two it definitely isn't if you remove the p5 teams from the equation. Travel? Ummmm, we span the same footprint as all three p5 teams regular conferences. Not sure Kentucky or W.Va are much closer to the Sunbelt teams then they are to the AAC. You could make an argument for South Carolina, but are they going alone?

We already have affiliate members.

Have a good day

Bad premises?

Marshall, ODU, JMU, CCU, GSU, GS. Yep we can have a league and an autobid. In fact we will have a league as the commissioner confirmed the other day. Papers will be be filed with the NCAA before the end of the year. No speculation there.

Geographically? Get a map dude.

Strength? The core of the Sun Belt is stronger and have a history with those teams and realize it would be a power league with the affiliates.

Argue till you’re blue in the face but that’s happening and I imagine UCF will join their BIG12 brethren and will be welcome. Depending on what happens in CUSA we may pick up FIU as well.

ODU actually is an affiliate of the AAC in a couple sports.

You do need a map, try it out, I hear google is helpful. Start by looking at the AAC footprint and then the Big 12 and SEC. The SBC is a poor version of the ACC in geography, schools, well actually in everything.

Lol don't let Marshall beating your ass at it's one good sport get you confused about your "core".

With the affiliates you'd be a power league 03-lmfao well if we had ND in our football conference we would be a power conference too.

Looks around for brethren. Double checks. W.Va the new team who is technically still joining CUSA next year?

Listen I realize the SBC teams are all in their feelings about getting zero consideration for AAC spots, I know it rankles, and you all are desperate for any thing to soothe those injured egos (I know ODU hoped its affiliation memberships would open the door) but putting yourself out here like that will just end in more humiliation for you all. Take a deep breath, you'll be ok, you made it safely out of that wreck of CUSA after the best teams left got in to the AAC. Maybe the sunbelt isn't quite what CUSA was in your hay day but I think you all can build something there. Hell in a decade.or two the Belt might manage an at large NCAA bid or a NY6 participate. Just focus on what you can do.

Look man, if you don’t follow college soccer it’s ok. You don’t have to chime in and make yourself look foolish.

The AAC spans from Philly to Texas to Fl
The Big12 consists of WVU and soon to be UCF
The SEC consists of KY & SC
The Sun Belt consists only of schools that are either in the same state or adjacent to the last two.

Just because WVU sends their other teams to Texas you think they want to send their soccer team when they can join a regional conference that will offer better competition? No that’s irrelevant. Like I said it’s happening.
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(11-03-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 11:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 10:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Wut?

Marshall can’t play in the AAC if the Sun Belt sponsors soccer.

Why would the CUSA affiliates choose a weaker league and worse travel?

Nobody’s clamoring to be an affiliate member of the AAC.

Lol the number of bad premises in this is really high for three sentences.

You are assuming the sunbelt will sponsor soccer because WVa, Kentucky, and South Carolina will go to the sunbelt, but the sunbelt can't have a league if they don't.

You assume it's a worse league, but one that is not a clearly factual assumption, two it definitely isn't if you remove the p5 teams from the equation. Travel? Ummmm, we span the same footprint as all three p5 teams regular conferences. Not sure Kentucky or W.Va are much closer to the Sunbelt teams then they are to the AAC. You could make an argument for South Carolina, but are they going alone?

We already have affiliate members.

Have a good day

Bad premises?

Marshall, ODU, JMU, CCU, GSU, GS. Yep we can have a league and an autobid. In fact we will have a league as the commissioner confirmed the other day. Papers will be be filed with the NCAA before the end of the year. No speculation there.

Geographically? Get a map dude.

Strength? The core of the Sun Belt is stronger and have a history with those teams and realize it would be a power league with the affiliates.

Argue till you’re blue in the face but that’s happening and I imagine UCF will join their BIG12 brethren and will be welcome. Depending on what happens in CUSA we may pick up FIU as well.

ODU actually is an affiliate of the AAC in a couple sports.

You do need a map, try it out, I hear google is helpful. Start by looking at the AAC footprint and then the Big 12 and SEC. The SBC is a poor version of the ACC in geography, schools, well actually in everything.

Lol don't let Marshall beating your ass at it's one good sport get you confused about your "core".

With the affiliates you'd be a power league 03-lmfao well if we had ND in our football conference we would be a power conference too.

Looks around for brethren. Double checks. W.Va the new team who is technically still joining CUSA next year?

Listen I realize the SBC teams are all in their feelings about getting zero consideration for AAC spots, I know it rankles, and you all are desperate for any thing to soothe those injured egos (I know ODU hoped its affiliation memberships would open the door) but putting yourself out here like that will just end in more humiliation for you all. Take a deep breath, you'll be ok, you made it safely out of that wreck of CUSA after the best teams left got in to the AAC. Maybe the sunbelt isn't quite what CUSA was in your hay day but I think you all can build something there. Hell in a decade.or two the Belt might manage an at large NCAA bid or a NY6 participate. Just focus on what you can do.

Look man, if you don’t follow college soccer it’s ok. You don’t have to chime in and make yourself look foolish.

The AAC spans from Philly to Texas to Fl
The Big12 consists of WVU and soon to be UCF
The SEC consists of KY & SC
The Sun Belt consists only of schools that are either in the same state or adjacent to the last two.

Just because WVU sends their other teams to Texas you think they want to send their soccer team when they can join a regional conference that will offer better competition? No that’s irrelevant. Like I said it’s happening.

You are absolutely right and I have no idea what the hell the other poster is smoking but double tap and pass brother.

The Sunbelt has already said they are going to restart soccer and geographically for WVU, S Carolina and Kentucky, the Sunbelt works MUCH better for them. Literally every sunbelt member that plays soccer is a cluster right next to those three.

Add in that the defending national champs will be in the sunbelt, you really couldnt ask for a better strength of schedule game.

Laslty, if they are gonna pay to ship a non revenue sport throughout the conference, then if they choose CUSA they have to fly out to NMSU and FIU. Long ass flights when the Sunbelt is basically traveling distance.

The AAC has all the same issues as CUSA... plus we would have to allow UCF to stay since it would be utter **** to say yes to WVU and then No to UCF... and we normally do not take former members as affiliates. We didnt for Uconn.

Best guess, they all end up in the Sunbelt. Pretty strong if it happens. Marshall, S Carolina, Kentucky, UCF.... all in teh same conference. Thats strong.
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There is no question that the NewSB4 bring some soccer chops to the SB, but the one item my friend from Norfolk isn't touching is why did the SB shut down soccer to begin with? Because the schools in that conference could not financially support it. Already struggling to meet Title IX requirements to offset football--AKA, the only SB sport that matters--men's soccer was sacrificed. I also do not get why anyone thinks KY, SC and WVU care how much it costs to send teams somewhere to play.
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(11-03-2021 05:01 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  There is no question that the NewSB4 bring some soccer chops to the SB, but the one item my friend from Norfolk isn't touching is why did the SB shut down soccer to begin with? Because the schools in that conference could not financially support it. Already struggling to meet Title IX requirements to offset football--AKA, the only SB sport that matters--men's soccer was sacrificed. I also do not get why anyone thinks KY, SC and WVU care how much it costs to send teams somewhere to play.

I think they do care but because of a myriad of reasons. Soccer is an up and coming sport with growing viewership. If they are all in the SBC, then it’s basically driving distance to most games.
Even if soccer never makes a school profit, ADs push for higher engagement and viewership.
This version of the sunbelt isn’t like the one who dropped soccer. There’s legitimate strength and commitment to the sport now.

Lastly, even if you don’t agree with any of the above, ADs also keep what’s best for their student athletes at the forefront of their decisions. A lot less travel is better for them too and if all things were equal, that alone would make the decision.

Who knows? I just see the sunbelt as a better option overall.
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(11-03-2021 12:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 11:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 10:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.

Wut?

Marshall can’t play in the AAC if the Sun Belt sponsors soccer.

Why would the CUSA affiliates choose a weaker league and worse travel?

Nobody’s clamoring to be an affiliate member of the AAC.

Lol the number of bad premises in this is really high for three sentences.

You are assuming the sunbelt will sponsor soccer because WVa, Kentucky, and South Carolina will go to the sunbelt, but the sunbelt can't have a league if they don't.

You assume it's a worse league, but one that is not a clearly factual assumption, two it definitely isn't if you remove the p5 teams from the equation. Travel? Ummmm, we span the same footprint as all three p5 teams regular conferences. Not sure Kentucky or W.Va are much closer to the Sunbelt teams then they are to the AAC. You could make an argument for South Carolina, but are they going alone?

We already have affiliate members.

Have a good day

Bad premises?

Marshall, ODU, JMU, CCU, GSU, GS. Yep we can have a league and an autobid. In fact we will have a league as the commissioner confirmed the other day. Papers will be be filed with the NCAA before the end of the year. No speculation there.

Geographically? Get a map dude.

Strength? The core of the Sun Belt is stronger and have a history with those teams and realize it would be a power league with the affiliates.

Argue till you’re blue in the face but that’s happening and I imagine UCF will join their BIG12 brethren and will be welcome. Depending on what happens in CUSA we may pick up FIU as well.

ODU actually is an affiliate of the AAC in a couple sports.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt_C...nce#Sports

It's really easy to figure it all out.
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(11-03-2021 04:35 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 11:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Lol the number of bad premises in this is really high for three sentences.

You are assuming the sunbelt will sponsor soccer because WVa, Kentucky, and South Carolina will go to the sunbelt, but the sunbelt can't have a league if they don't.

You assume it's a worse league, but one that is not a clearly factual assumption, two it definitely isn't if you remove the p5 teams from the equation. Travel? Ummmm, we span the same footprint as all three p5 teams regular conferences. Not sure Kentucky or W.Va are much closer to the Sunbelt teams then they are to the AAC. You could make an argument for South Carolina, but are they going alone?

We already have affiliate members.

Have a good day

Bad premises?

Marshall, ODU, JMU, CCU, GSU, GS. Yep we can have a league and an autobid. In fact we will have a league as the commissioner confirmed the other day. Papers will be be filed with the NCAA before the end of the year. No speculation there.

Geographically? Get a map dude.

Strength? The core of the Sun Belt is stronger and have a history with those teams and realize it would be a power league with the affiliates.

Argue till you’re blue in the face but that’s happening and I imagine UCF will join their BIG12 brethren and will be welcome. Depending on what happens in CUSA we may pick up FIU as well.

ODU actually is an affiliate of the AAC in a couple sports.

You do need a map, try it out, I hear google is helpful. Start by looking at the AAC footprint and then the Big 12 and SEC. The SBC is a poor version of the ACC in geography, schools, well actually in everything.

Lol don't let Marshall beating your ass at it's one good sport get you confused about your "core".

With the affiliates you'd be a power league 03-lmfao well if we had ND in our football conference we would be a power conference too.

Looks around for brethren. Double checks. W.Va the new team who is technically still joining CUSA next year?

Listen I realize the SBC teams are all in their feelings about getting zero consideration for AAC spots, I know it rankles, and you all are desperate for any thing to soothe those injured egos (I know ODU hoped its affiliation memberships would open the door) but putting yourself out here like that will just end in more humiliation for you all. Take a deep breath, you'll be ok, you made it safely out of that wreck of CUSA after the best teams left got in to the AAC. Maybe the sunbelt isn't quite what CUSA was in your hay day but I think you all can build something there. Hell in a decade.or two the Belt might manage an at large NCAA bid or a NY6 participate. Just focus on what you can do.

Look man, if you don’t follow college soccer it’s ok. You don’t have to chime in and make yourself look foolish.

The AAC spans from Philly to Texas to Fl
The Big12 consists of WVU and soon to be UCF
The SEC consists of KY & SC
The Sun Belt consists only of schools that are either in the same state or adjacent to the last two.

Just because WVU sends their other teams to Texas you think they want to send their soccer team when they can join a regional conference that will offer better competition? No that’s irrelevant. Like I said it’s happening.

You are absolutely right and I have no idea what the hell the other poster is smoking but double tap and pass brother.

The Sunbelt has already said they are going to restart soccer and geographically for WVU, S Carolina and Kentucky, the Sunbelt works MUCH better for them. Literally every sunbelt member that plays soccer is a cluster right next to those three.

Add in that the defending national champs will be in the sunbelt, you really couldnt ask for a better strength of schedule game.

Laslty, if they are gonna pay to ship a non revenue sport throughout the conference, then if they choose CUSA they have to fly out to NMSU and FIU. Long ass flights when the Sunbelt is basically traveling distance.

The AAC has all the same issues as CUSA... plus we would have to allow UCF to stay since it would be utter **** to say yes to WVU and then No to UCF... and we normally do not take former members as affiliates. We didnt for Uconn.

Best guess, they all end up in the Sunbelt. Pretty strong if it happens. Marshall, S Carolina, Kentucky, UCF.... all in teh same conference. Thats strong.

You do realize that comparing UCF soccer to UConn football is an impossible comparison.
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(11-03-2021 04:35 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 12:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 11:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Lol the number of bad premises in this is really high for three sentences.

You are assuming the sunbelt will sponsor soccer because WVa, Kentucky, and South Carolina will go to the sunbelt, but the sunbelt can't have a league if they don't.

You assume it's a worse league, but one that is not a clearly factual assumption, two it definitely isn't if you remove the p5 teams from the equation. Travel? Ummmm, we span the same footprint as all three p5 teams regular conferences. Not sure Kentucky or W.Va are much closer to the Sunbelt teams then they are to the AAC. You could make an argument for South Carolina, but are they going alone?

We already have affiliate members.

Have a good day

Bad premises?

Marshall, ODU, JMU, CCU, GSU, GS. Yep we can have a league and an autobid. In fact we will have a league as the commissioner confirmed the other day. Papers will be be filed with the NCAA before the end of the year. No speculation there.

Geographically? Get a map dude.

Strength? The core of the Sun Belt is stronger and have a history with those teams and realize it would be a power league with the affiliates.

Argue till you’re blue in the face but that’s happening and I imagine UCF will join their BIG12 brethren and will be welcome. Depending on what happens in CUSA we may pick up FIU as well.

ODU actually is an affiliate of the AAC in a couple sports.

You do need a map, try it out, I hear google is helpful. Start by looking at the AAC footprint and then the Big 12 and SEC. The SBC is a poor version of the ACC in geography, schools, well actually in everything.

Lol don't let Marshall beating your ass at it's one good sport get you confused about your "core".

With the affiliates you'd be a power league 03-lmfao well if we had ND in our football conference we would be a power conference too.

Looks around for brethren. Double checks. W.Va the new team who is technically still joining CUSA next year?

Listen I realize the SBC teams are all in their feelings about getting zero consideration for AAC spots, I know it rankles, and you all are desperate for any thing to soothe those injured egos (I know ODU hoped its affiliation memberships would open the door) but putting yourself out here like that will just end in more humiliation for you all. Take a deep breath, you'll be ok, you made it safely out of that wreck of CUSA after the best teams left got in to the AAC. Maybe the sunbelt isn't quite what CUSA was in your hay day but I think you all can build something there. Hell in a decade.or two the Belt might manage an at large NCAA bid or a NY6 participate. Just focus on what you can do.

Look man, if you don’t follow college soccer it’s ok. You don’t have to chime in and make yourself look foolish.

The AAC spans from Philly to Texas to Fl
The Big12 consists of WVU and soon to be UCF
The SEC consists of KY & SC
The Sun Belt consists only of schools that are either in the same state or adjacent to the last two.

Just because WVU sends their other teams to Texas you think they want to send their soccer team when they can join a regional conference that will offer better competition? No that’s irrelevant. Like I said it’s happening.

You are absolutely right and I have no idea what the hell the other poster is smoking but double tap and pass brother.

The Sunbelt has already said they are going to restart soccer and geographically for WVU, S Carolina and Kentucky, the Sunbelt works MUCH better for them. Literally every sunbelt member that plays soccer is a cluster right next to those three.

Add in that the defending national champs will be in the sunbelt, you really couldnt ask for a better strength of schedule game.

Laslty, if they are gonna pay to ship a non revenue sport throughout the conference, then if they choose CUSA they have to fly out to NMSU and FIU. Long ass flights when the Sunbelt is basically traveling distance.

The AAC has all the same issues as CUSA... plus we would have to allow UCF to stay since it would be utter **** to say yes to WVU and then No to UCF... and we normally do not take former members as affiliates. We didnt for Uconn.

Best guess, they all end up in the Sunbelt. Pretty strong if it happens. Marshall, S Carolina, Kentucky, UCF.... all in teh same conference. Thats strong.

Sure bud, you can get some too.

Lexington Kentucky is: 568 miles fromCCU, 580 from ODU, 411 gets you to JMU, its 381 from Georgia St, 588 miles to Georgia Southern.

Its 277 from UAB, 400 from charlotte, 634 to Philly

Do you see a pattern forming here, like maybe you need a map because the differences are moot? Just to add on all of those cities for the AAC are easy commercial flights, not mandatory bus rides to the backwoods of Appalachia. Which is the case for everyone but Georgia St the other way.

Also Marshall isn't going to be the defending champs.when the SBC forms, talk about recency bias. Meanwhile the new AAC will be a thriving soccer conference with divisions and high levels of competition in major metros (where you know, suburban soccer talent the life blood of the college game is). Oh and yeah we're losing UCF, but well, Cincy dropped men's soccer and Houston never had it soooooooo.........we aren't losing the core of our conference. Meanwhile the sunbelt has to have those three p5 schools or there really is no point in them having soccer and Marshall is stuck lol.

North:
W.Va
Kentucky
South Carolina
Charlotte
ECU
Temple

South:
USF
FAU
Memphis
UAB
Tulsa
SMU

Geez it's almost like I looked at it and thought it through.

Sunbelt looking strong with

Marshall
ODU
JMU
Coastal
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
UCF*

*maybe

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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.
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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
(11-03-2021 07:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.

I believe he is saying in 2023-24, when the SB starts back men's soccer, it is unlikely that Marshall will still be, or again be, the National Champs.
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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
(11-03-2021 07:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.

How stonned are you?

Are you saying that Marshall will be a three time champ? Cause I am struggling with this defending champ from 2020 to 2023.

Good glossing over how his main argument was geography and wrong. I'll wait on these other facts you didn't present.
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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
(11-03-2021 08:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 07:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.

How stonned are you?

Are you saying that Marshall will be a three time champ? Cause I am struggling with this defending champ from 2020 to 2023.

Good glossing over how his main argument was geography and wrong. I'll wait on these other facts you didn't present.

Like the fact that you chose the western most affiliate and still failed to include the 120 mile trip to Marshall? The fact that you included the mileage from the entire future Sun Belt conference and compared them to the 3 eastern AAC teams and left out the trips to Texas and Oklahoma? The fact that these affiliates already chose CUSA over the AAC when you had UCF and now you’ve traded them for Charlotte and the chaff of CUSA? Do the mileage for WVU & USC next and don’t leave out the Western schools. Then average the RPI’s of the groups they’re joining. Then look at their histories of success. ODU is probably the 4th best historically of the 6 core SB teams and we’ve been to the NCAA’s more than Tulsa including 2 CUSA titles. Those missing facts?

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It’s done. Deal with it.
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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
(11-03-2021 07:53 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  North:
W.Va
Kentucky
South Carolina
Charlotte
ECU
Temple

South:
USF
FAU
Memphis
UAB
Tulsa
SMU

Geez it's almost like I looked at it and thought it through.

You clearly haven’t as ECU doesn’t sponsor men’s soccer. You clearly don’t understand the relative strength of Marshall, JMU, CCU & ODU compared to most of this programs.
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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
(11-02-2021 02:49 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  CUSA Men's soccer has Kentucky and South Carolina. If they stay there, I'd be okay with that. If not, go wherever they go maybe.

Kentucky, South Carolina, and WVU are joining us in the SBC for soccer.
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(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.



LMAO....UK and WVU will follow Marshall to the SBC. There is no chance they go to the AAC.
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RE: Lets talk SOCCER - UCF
(11-03-2021 08:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 07:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.

How stonned are you?

Are you saying that Marshall will be a three time champ? Cause I am struggling with this defending champ from 2020 to 2023.

Good glossing over how his main argument was geography and wrong. I'll wait on these other facts you didn't present.

Like the fact that you chose the western most affiliate and still failed to include the 120 mile trip to Marshall? The fact that you included the mileage from the entire future Sun Belt conference and compared them to the 3 eastern AAC teams and left out the trips to Texas and Oklahoma? The fact that these affiliates already chose CUSA over the AAC when you had UCF and now you’ve traded them for Charlotte and the chaff of CUSA? Do the mileage for WVU & USC next and don’t leave out the Western schools. Then average the RPI’s of the groups they’re joining. Then look at their histories of success. ODU is probably the 4th best historically of the 6 core SB teams and we’ve been to the NCAA’s more than Tulsa including 2 CUSA titles. Those missing facts?

Stronger League
Tighter League
Established Relationships

It’s done. Deal with it.


UK followed us from the MAC to CUSA. We are 120 miles apart and have well attended games against each other.

WVU already left the MAC for CUSA mainly because Marshall pushed for them. We both have excellent attendance for our games. We had over 3k for our home game against them earlier in the year.

There's no chance WVU and UK will choose the AAC over a SBC with Marshall. Literally 0% chance of that happening.

As for South Carolina, I have no clue, but looking at a map and considering UK and WVU will be joining the SBC, I'm assuming they will go to the SBC too.

As for Ga St. Don't sleep on them. They are building some incredible soccer only facilities.
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