(10-30-2021 12:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:26 AM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:18 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:15 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU receive their golden tickets out of CUSA, is that the end, or could the three remaining schools build it back up? Is there NCAA bylaws that prohibit a conference to comprise of four or five FCS transitional schools and only three or four FBS schools?

As far as I know, it doesn't matter the ratio. CUSA is considered an FBS league and thus, adding four FCS doesn't matter.

Fwiw, between 2012-2014, the SBC added at least 5 schools that had either just started football or had been FCS and were transitioning. They added Coastal in 2015 or 2016 I think. Anything is possible.

I think those schools had certain structural advantages that at least a school like FIU did and frankly does not.

Georgia Southern and App State were ready from a support, success, and facilities standpoint.

Coastal Carolina was already a perennial FCS playoff team and a Top 25 mainstay. And they had plenty of financial support with Joe Moglia and Brittain Resorts.

I've always thought FIU's admin moved up much to quickly without having the proper structures in place.

I completely agree. No real culture was created, the institutional foundations for success were never built. To move up with no success, very different than App State, WKU, CCU, UCF 25 years ago, etc; it wasn’t smart, compounding this is the proximity to Miami.

If WKU/MT leave Idk how you move forward from that. Would that be a conference u even want to be in?” Could another lifeboat come along? Could the 3 make it as independents ? Also I wouldn’t count on those exit fees as I think those are gonna be cut back heavily, most times as these schools leave the exit fees are challenged and usually reduced and sometimes eliminated. Would it be more harmful for the 3 schools to play independent football or share a conference with a majority of fcs schools? I’d imagine that would kill recruiting and fans.

(10-30-2021 12:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:26 AM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:18 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:15 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU receive their golden tickets out of CUSA, is that the end, or could the three remaining schools build it back up? Is there NCAA bylaws that prohibit a conference to comprise of four or five FCS transitional schools and only three or four FBS schools?

As far as I know, it doesn't matter the ratio. CUSA is considered an FBS league and thus, adding four FCS doesn't matter.

Fwiw, between 2012-2014, the SBC added at least 5 schools that had either just started football or had been FCS and were transitioning. They added Coastal in 2015 or 2016 I think. Anything is possible.

I think those schools had certain structural advantages that at least a school like FIU did and frankly does not.

Georgia Southern and App State were ready from a support, success, and facilities standpoint.

Coastal Carolina was already a perennial FCS playoff team and a Top 25 mainstay. And they had plenty of financial support with Joe Moglia and Brittain Resorts.

I've always thought FIU's admin moved up much to quickly without having the proper structures in place.

What's "too quickly"?

The three amigos will have 20.5 million reasons to rebuild

(10-30-2021 12:28 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:26 AM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:18 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:15 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU receive their golden tickets out of CUSA, is that the end, or could the three remaining schools build it back up? Is there NCAA bylaws that prohibit a conference to comprise of four or five FCS transitional schools and only three or four FBS schools?

As far as I know, it doesn't matter the ratio. CUSA is considered an FBS league and thus, adding four FCS doesn't matter.

Fwiw, between 2012-2014, the SBC added at least 5 schools that had either just started football or had been FCS and were transitioning. They added Coastal in 2015 or 2016 I think. Anything is possible.

I think those schools had certain structural advantages that at least a school like FIU did and frankly does not.

Georgia Southern and App State were ready from a support, success, and facilities standpoint.

Coastal Carolina was already a perennial FCS playoff team and a Top 25 mainstay. And they had plenty of financial support with Joe Moglia and Brittain Resorts.

I've always thought FIU's admin moved up much to quickly without having the proper structures in place.

What's "too quickly"?

FAU had success at FCS, did have a plan though Howard never got his dome; I can’t say I feel FIU ever had sustained success or a vision to get to the next level. I mean look at how value engineered our stadium and field house are. We also had no residential presence are or near campus till the last three or four years.

(10-30-2021 12:30 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  The three amigos will have 20.5 million reasons to rebuild

I wouldn’t count that money until it was in my pocket

(10-30-2021 12:31 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:28 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:26 AM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:18 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  As far as I know, it doesn't matter the ratio. CUSA is considered an FBS league and thus, adding four FCS doesn't matter.

Fwiw, between 2012-2014, the SBC added at least 5 schools that had either just started football or had been FCS and were transitioning. They added Coastal in 2015 or 2016 I think. Anything is possible.

I think those schools had certain structural advantages that at least a school like FIU did and frankly does not.

Georgia Southern and App State were ready from a support, success, and facilities standpoint.

Coastal Carolina was already a perennial FCS playoff team and a Top 25 mainstay. And they had plenty of financial support with Joe Moglia and Brittain Resorts.

I've always thought FIU's admin moved up much to quickly without having the proper structures in place.

What's "too quickly"?

FAU had success at FCS, did have a plan though Howard never got his dome; I can’t say I feel FIU ever had sustained success or a vision to get to the next level. I mean look at how value engineered our stadium and field house are. We also had no residential presence are or near campus till the last three or four years.

I think FIU had never developed a strategy of what kind of a school they wanted to athletically, because, at least, initially, they seemed to be hitting all the right notes.

(10-30-2021 12:32 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:31 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:28 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:26 AM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  I think those schools had certain structural advantages that at least a school like FIU did and frankly does not.

Georgia Southern and App State were ready from a support, success, and facilities standpoint.

Coastal Carolina was already a perennial FCS playoff team and a Top 25 mainstay. And they had plenty of financial support with Joe Moglia and Brittain Resorts.

I've always thought FIU's admin moved up much to quickly without having the proper structures in place.

What's "too quickly"?

FAU had success at FCS, did have a plan though Howard never got his dome; I can’t say I feel FIU ever had sustained success or a vision to get to the next level. I mean look at how value engineered our stadium and field house are. We also had no residential presence are or near campus till the last three or four years.

I think FIU had never developed a strategy of what kind of a school they wanted to athletically, because, at least, initially, they seemed to be hitting all the right notes.

Prior to football, yes. FIU had a solid MBB program at the TAAC level, and good baseball. Football wasn’t successful at FCS and then moved to FBS, a move that didn’t make sense. Subsequently every sport has suffered, we now have a marginally competitive men’s soccer team, but that coach makes half of what Marshall’s coach makes.

WE are NOT gone yet-- signed MT, WKU. May get turned down by MAC. Also if C-USA were to pull in some better team or offer us MT/WKU some perks we might stay anyway.

(10-30-2021 11:43 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 11:29 AM)LaTex14 Wrote:  I think Tech would rather go independent honestly

11 x 3,000,000 = 33,000,000

Split 3 ways = 11,000,000

No plus all the other perks bowls and ncca credits and FBS revenue sharing

Exactly, hold them to their promise that they made when they signed up to be members of cusa. Pay up mulla freakers. We could use 11 mil. Who knows we might even start a baseball program. We got a Schiff load of good baseball players in the city.

Let's see how much that money you pay the current cusa and the new conference helps you. It seems there's not too much common sense in your schools thinking that you'll be better off but hey do what you do but pay up.

As for the Mwc wanting UTEP because of it being in Texas I doubt it. We're more New Mexico than we want to admit solely because we're so close and it seems we're fraternal twins with that Cowturd University 50 miles away. There won't be too many good "TEXAS" type recruits in El Paso and that sucks because we're so far away and closer to Califa than Dallas where the meat for football is at.

(10-30-2021 12:38 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  WE are NOT gone yet-- signed MT, WKU. May get turned down by MAC. Also if C-USA were to pull in some better team or offer us MT/WKU some perks we might stay anyway.

Who would they pull in other than Liberty and New Mexico State?

(10-30-2021 11:43 AM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 11:29 AM)LaTex14 Wrote:  I think Tech would rather go independent honestly

Off topic, but:

So are you a tech fan or not?

I seem to remember you saying that you were a fan of some other school.

Yeah I was f’ing with Franky by saying I was Cajun fan. Was just trolling a lot honestly.
I have a BBB account under a different name.

(10-30-2021 12:38 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  WE are NOT gone yet-- signed MT, WKU. May get turned down by MAC. Also if C-USA were to pull in some better team or offer us MT/WKU some perks we might stay anyway.

We'll move the basketball tournament to Nashville. You can have half of our exit fees. You're now the flagship of the conference and can invite whomever you convince to join. I'm not sure what other perks we can offer you.

(10-30-2021 12:38 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  WE are NOT gone yet-- signed MT, WKU. May get turned down by MAC. Also if C-USA were to pull in some better team or offer us MT/WKU some perks we might stay anyway.

If the MAC offers one or both you gotta take it. As for staying for perks from CUSA, what perks? Neither of your schools would stay for any reason and I wouldn't want any of the 3 remaining to give into extortion. Lol

(10-30-2021 01:01 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:38 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  WE are NOT gone yet-- signed MT, WKU. May get turned down by MAC. Also if C-USA were to pull in some better team or offer us MT/WKU some perks we might stay anyway.

We'll move the basketball tournament to Nashville. You can have half of our exit fees. You're now the flagship of the conference and can invite whomever you convince to join. I'm not sure what other perks we can offer you.

Which is why I think they will leave. Everyone else leaving at ESPN's command ruined any potential geographical fit for this conference that would've benefited all of the remaining five members. That's just not going to be possible.

(10-30-2021 12:38 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:32 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:31 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:28 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Georgia Southern and App State were ready from a support, success, and facilities standpoint.

Coastal Carolina was already a perennial FCS playoff team and a Top 25 mainstay. And they had plenty of financial support with Joe Moglia and Brittain Resorts.

I've always thought FIU's admin moved up much to quickly without having the proper structures in place.

What's "too quickly"?

FAU had success at FCS, did have a plan though Howard never got his dome; I can’t say I feel FIU ever had sustained success or a vision to get to the next level. I mean look at how value engineered our stadium and field house are. We also had no residential presence are or near campus till the last three or four years.

I think FIU had never developed a strategy of what kind of a school they wanted to athletically, because, at least, initially, they seemed to be hitting all the right notes.

Prior to football, yes. FIU had a solid MBB program at the TAAC level, and good baseball. Football wasn’t successful at FCS and then moved to FBS, a move that didn’t make sense. Subsequently every sport has suffered, we now have a marginally competitive men’s soccer team, but that coach makes half of what Marshall’s coach makes.

Didn't FAU take football into FBS the same year as FIU? We still have half way decent baseball. Our bad basketball did not get better and our strong baseball did not get worse. But FAU, from the very start of the football program had claimed that we were going to FBS. That was the whole point. I do not know what initial FIU strategy in regards to football was.

(10-30-2021 01:09 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:38 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:32 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:31 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:28 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  What's "too quickly"?

FAU had success at FCS, did have a plan though Howard never got his dome; I can’t say I feel FIU ever had sustained success or a vision to get to the next level. I mean look at how value engineered our stadium and field house are. We also had no residential presence are or near campus till the last three or four years.

I think FIU had never developed a strategy of what kind of a school they wanted to athletically, because, at least, initially, they seemed to be hitting all the right notes.

Prior to football, yes. FIU had a solid MBB program at the TAAC level, and good baseball. Football wasn’t successful at FCS and then moved to FBS, a move that didn’t make sense. Subsequently every sport has suffered, we now have a marginally competitive men’s soccer team, but that coach makes half of what Marshall’s coach makes.

Didn't FAU take football into FBS the same year as FIU? We still have half way decent baseball. Our bad basketball did not get better and our strong baseball did not get worse. But FAU, from the very start of the football program had claimed that we were going to FBS. That was the whole point. I do not know what initial FIU strategy in regards to football was.

Same for us. Vision was always FBS. The stadium is the result of Garcia’s incompetence and ego. He was hell bent on getting it up as soon as possible regardless of what he built. FAU’s admin took their time and put up a good facility. Many of the problems over the last 15 years fall on his shoulders. I mean what other AD in this country has changed their title “Executive Director of Sports and Entertainment.” The guy is a clown. The stadium was supposed to be upgraded with the addition of the student success center that was ultimately relocated for who knows what reason to the front of campus. At the end of the day, poor fundraising and the lack of upgrades to our facilities cost any chance at an invite here.

I would concentrate on the four available FBS programs .
NMSU and Liberty are a given offer U Mass all sports or football only with U Conn football only.
Ideally U Mass all sports to give the conference six full members and one football only.
Pursue FCS schools after that to get to eight all sports.
A basketball conference with NMSU, U Mass and UTEP has a chance to be decent.

(10-30-2021 01:09 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:38 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:32 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:31 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 12:28 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  What's "too quickly"?

FAU had success at FCS, did have a plan though Howard never got his dome; I can’t say I feel FIU ever had sustained success or a vision to get to the next level. I mean look at how value engineered our stadium and field house are. We also had no residential presence are or near campus till the last three or four years.

I think FIU had never developed a strategy of what kind of a school they wanted to athletically, because, at least, initially, they seemed to be hitting all the right notes.

Prior to football, yes. FIU had a solid MBB program at the TAAC level, and good baseball. Football wasn’t successful at FCS and then moved to FBS, a move that didn’t make sense. Subsequently every sport has suffered, we now have a marginally competitive men’s soccer team, but that coach makes half of what Marshall’s coach makes.

Didn't FAU take football into FBS the same year as FIU? We still have half way decent baseball. Our bad basketball did not get better and our strong baseball did not get worse. But FAU, from the very start of the football program had claimed that we were going to FBS. That was the whole point. I do not know what initial FIU strategy in regards to football was.

We have bad athletic leadership, that’s fundamentally what it comes down to, and a lack of vision.

(10-30-2021 10:27 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  I said it in another thread but I'll paste it here too.

The only way CUSA survives after MTSU and WKU leaving is making a Texas-centric conference and this is extremely unlikely to happen. No way anyone from the MVFC or ASUN is going to jump in with the distances now. Maybe Jacksonville State? I don't see any other options and this is extremely unlikely to happen.

NMSU
UTEP
Abilene Christian
Tarleton St.
SFA
Sam Houston St.
Lamar
LaTech
Jacksonville St.
FIU

Is Texas ready to have 17 FBS schools? Rebrand this the new Southwestern Conference. CUSA's name is lava.

There will have to be a east west split. No one will join a conference 1000 miles away. There must be an eastern division, the tighter the better.
Contact everyone in the ASUN and the wac maybe you'll get a good split.