(10-23-2021 09:52 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:47 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:43 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:29 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Are you saying that if AAC chose ODU, you would not go? Or are you salty that you weren't in their place?

Do you really think we didn’t get offered?

I do not know. I know that when SunBelt offered you flew. You don't think it is just a little bit disingenuous?

Remind me of the order of who flew first?

It is irrelevant. If you cared about the conference surviving, your leadership could have said "NO". Instead they did what they felt was best for the school. As they should. So did Charlotte when invited by AAC.

And, yes, I do believe ODU inquired AAC about joining.

If ODU said no to the Belt, WKU would have taken our place and we’d take theirs. Liberty *might* be more receptive to joining CUSA with ODU even without Marshall and JMU, but maybe not enough to pull the trigger. And then we’re in the same spot as the survivors. Say what we will about the likes of Tarleton State but there’s nobody in the Mid-Atlantic that would be a serious candidate for CUSA. We’d be on a permanent island. At best we’d probably be Indy/A-10. And that wasn’t likely at all.

We did our part to build a core that included us, Marshall, JMU and Liberty. Liberty apparently was rejected, and the Belt East schools had no interest in moving. At that point, the core wasn’t going to hold. And so we did the best thing for our interests.

And I don’t hold anything against the schools that left for the AAC. I have no idea whether we we interested but rejected, whether we rejected them, or what (I’ve heard well-placed people make both claims). I do feel bad for the schools that didn’t find a chair when the music ended, but I also feel comfortable in the one we did find.

(10-23-2021 09:26 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  How did we end up here? How did aresco destroy OUR conference? I will forever root against the american. He failed going west and then set his eyes on CUSA. And our brothers folded like a house of cards. I’m most disappointed in Charlotte. Et tu brute, et tu?

Wait a sec. Old Dominion is headed to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt could've lived without expanding. Aren't they just as guilty?

Imo I think ODU is the school who said they didn't want to get into debt to get into the AAC. I also think ODU made the right choice by going to the SB. The SB will be the best G5 football league in a few years.

(10-23-2021 10:01 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:57 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:29 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Are you saying that if AAC chose ODU, you would not go? Or are you salty that you weren't in their place?

Do you really think we didn’t get offered?

If the American actually offered ODU and your leadership turned it down... than ODU has bigger problems than conference realignment.

Yeah Apparently it didn't come that far or at least that is what i heard via the grape vine. The offer came with strings attached that we need to invest in few things and our admin said we will wait and see how this pans out before making investments and that indeed seems to have ended the talks. They might be afraid we will end up in the situation similar to CUSA where we showed up and ECU left and we might not want to be moving from one sprawling conference to another. I understand our situation and i get why everybody did the things they did for themselves. I don't blame anyone for accepting offers. Its so stupid to blame someone for doing things that best fits them.

That's rough. But, ODU is going to the Sun Belt, right? Did the Sun Belt place any demands on ODU as a condition of joining?

(10-23-2021 10:17 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:26 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  How did we end up here? How did aresco destroy OUR conference? I will forever root against the american. He failed going west and then set his eyes on CUSA. And our brothers folded like a house of cards. I’m most disappointed in Charlotte. Et tu brute, et tu?

Wait a sec. Old Dominion is headed to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt could've lived without expanding. Aren't they just as guilty?

I am not sure we can be held guilty because the ship started sinking and then we took the life raft, the blame should first go to the ones who took the jetski's to bail when the ship was floating just fine but in the end everybody is doing what's best for them and the premise of this thread is just stupid.

(10-23-2021 10:18 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Imo I think ODU is the school who said they didn't want to get into debt to get into the AAC. I also think ODU made the right choice by going to the SB. The SB will be the best G5 football league in a few years.

Based on what evidence?

(10-23-2021 10:10 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:05 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:43 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  I do not know. I know that when SunBelt offered you flew. You don't think it is just a little bit disingenuous?

No one was staying here if they could get out once The American done what they done. That is just the reality of it. I really hope those who are left can find soft landing spots, if not I hope CUSA can do what the SB done since the last realignment and grow stronger for it. The thing is I don't have any faith in the CUSA leadership to do the right thing.

Yeah. The difference between first and second round of deflections is that you guys vacated a structurally sound building while what we did was running away from building on a fire. Its all good though our AD always wanted to be in a more regional setup and SB east is as close as it gets if what we are hearing goes through.

Except it wasn't structurally sound. Teams wouldn't have bolted had it been. Most teams in the conference were complaining about the conference situation for multiple years, with some complaining in public.

(10-23-2021 10:21 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:01 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:57 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:29 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Are you saying that if AAC chose ODU, you would not go? Or are you salty that you weren't in their place?

Do you really think we didn’t get offered?

If the American actually offered ODU and your leadership turned it down... than ODU has bigger problems than conference realignment.

Yeah Apparently it didn't come that far or at least that is what i heard via the grape vine. The offer came with strings attached that we need to invest in few things and our admin said we will wait and see how this pans out before making investments and that indeed seems to have ended the talks. They might be afraid we will end up in the situation similar to CUSA where we showed up and ECU left and we might not want to be moving from one sprawling conference to another. I understand our situation and i get why everybody did the things they did for themselves. I don't blame anyone for accepting offers. Its so stupid to blame someone for doing things that best fits them.

That's rough. But, ODU is going to the Sun Belt, right? Did the Sun Belt place any demands on ODU as a condition of joining?

Not that we have heard of. I think we will be fine its just our fans who care about some of the CUSA brethren taking it to the heart and i get it they are concerned about our Basketball too.

(10-23-2021 10:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:18 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Imo I think ODU is the school who said they didn't want to get into debt to get into the AAC. I also think ODU made the right choice by going to the SB. The SB will be the best G5 football league in a few years.

Based on what evidence?

The AAC lost their 3 best football teams. The SB didn't and will add four more quality football programs.

Money can't buy you wins. Sun Belt has strong traditional football programs. AAC added teams that might have potential or might not. You'll see on your own.

(10-23-2021 10:23 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:10 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:05 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:43 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  I do not know. I know that when SunBelt offered you flew. You don't think it is just a little bit disingenuous?

No one was staying here if they could get out once The American done what they done. That is just the reality of it. I really hope those who are left can find soft landing spots, if not I hope CUSA can do what the SB done since the last realignment and grow stronger for it. The thing is I don't have any faith in the CUSA leadership to do the right thing.

Yeah. The difference between first and second round of deflections is that you guys vacated a structurally sound building while what we did was running away from building on a fire. Its all good though our AD always wanted to be in a more regional setup and SB east is as close as it gets if what we are hearing goes through.

Except it wasn't structurally sound. Teams wouldn't have bolted had it been. Most teams in the conference were complaining about the conference situation for multiple years, with some complaining in public.

I didn't say the building was livable but its not collapsing either. Its long time coming and again this thread is just silly.

(10-23-2021 10:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:17 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:26 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  How did we end up here? How did aresco destroy OUR conference? I will forever root against the american. He failed going west and then set his eyes on CUSA. And our brothers folded like a house of cards. I’m most disappointed in Charlotte. Et tu brute, et tu?

Wait a sec. Old Dominion is headed to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt could've lived without expanding. Aren't they just as guilty?

I am not sure we can be held guilty because the ship started sinking and then we took the life raft, the blame should first go to the ones who took the jetski's to bail when the ship was floating just fine but in the end everybody is doing what's best for them and the premise of this thread is just stupid.

The ship started taking on water when the media deal collapsed and C-USA began earning next to nothing to play on Facebook. At that point C-USA fractured and it has never been the same.

(10-23-2021 10:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:17 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:26 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  How did we end up here? How did aresco destroy OUR conference? I will forever root against the american. He failed going west and then set his eyes on CUSA. And our brothers folded like a house of cards. I’m most disappointed in Charlotte. Et tu brute, et tu?

Wait a sec. Old Dominion is headed to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt could've lived without expanding. Aren't they just as guilty?

I am not sure we can be held guilty because the ship started sinking and then we took the life raft, the blame should first go to the ones who took the jetski's to bail when the ship was floating just fine but in the end everybody is doing what's best for them and the premise of this thread is just stupid.

The ship started taking on water when the media deal collapsed and C-USA began earning next to nothing to play on Facebook. At that point C-USA fractured and it has never been the same.

Yeah its long time coming and its just sad what happened and no one should be blamed for this. All schools involved who can do something did what's best for them and the ones that can't are just waiting to do something. I really feel bad for UTEP and FIU. Those are the two that needs help and i hope they get it because they are stuck on an island and not close to any FBS conferences. WKU/EmptySue might get to MAC and LT is capable of finding a solution for themselves and they are good at most of the sports so someone will come calling for them.

(10-23-2021 10:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:17 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:26 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  How did we end up here? How did aresco destroy OUR conference? I will forever root against the american. He failed going west and then set his eyes on CUSA. And our brothers folded like a house of cards. I’m most disappointed in Charlotte. Et tu brute, et tu?

Wait a sec. Old Dominion is headed to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt could've lived without expanding. Aren't they just as guilty?

I am not sure we can be held guilty because the ship started sinking and then we took the life raft, the blame should first go to the ones who took the jetski's to bail when the ship was floating just fine but in the end everybody is doing what's best for them and the premise of this thread is just stupid.

The ship started taking on water when the media deal collapsed and C-USA began earning next to nothing to play on Facebook. At that point C-USA fractured and it has never been the same.

We’ll see how you add to the P6 agenda of the aac. I’m guessing you won’t measure up. Just like your brothers UTSA and Rice. And why did you screw UTEP? They deserved better.

(10-23-2021 09:57 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:29 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Are you saying that if AAC chose ODU, you would not go? Or are you salty that you weren't in their place?

Do you really think we didn’t get offered?

If the American actually offered ODU and your leadership turned it down... than ODU has bigger problems than conference realignment.

Actually if that’s the case, it’s a good call by their administration. With a watered down AAC, the SunBelt is pretty much on par with the AAC, and when Memphis and SMU leave the AAC will be well behind the MWC and SBC

(10-23-2021 10:38 PM)SowasheeEagle Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:57 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 09:29 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Are you saying that if AAC chose ODU, you would not go? Or are you salty that you weren't in their place?

Do you really think we didn’t get offered?

If the American actually offered ODU and your leadership turned it down... than ODU has bigger problems than conference realignment.

Actually if that’s the case, it’s a good call by their administration. With a watered down AAC, the SunBelt is actually on par with the AAC, and when Memphis and SMU leave the AAC will be well behind the MWC and SBC

The new SBC will bury the american in the coming years. No doubt. And I can’t wait to celebrate aresco’s failure.

The real answer is this moment was somewhat destined to happen the moment that the conference spurred ESPN in 2011 and went all-in on Fox and CBS for bigger dollars. Then as that conference membership changed two years later, Fox would begin to pull out and those dollars disappeared without being replaced. And ESPN never re-entered a bidding war for CUSA, sending a message to everyone forever never to backstab Bristol...

The AAC is now going to be a hodgepodge of CUSA 2.0 and 3.0 schools, but with ESPN behind them instead of against them. They will collectively have more success in the AAC instead of CUSA. But I think the SBC got what they needed, and ESPN stepped up the TV deal to put the SBC school even with the new AAC schools per year. Personally, I think the SBC is setup for more success long term. But I think the Mouse wanted to send a message to college sports though CUSA...

The AAC was not a long term option, even if we had been invited.
Wthin 4 years it will be CUSA 3.0, but without even Marshall, WKU, LaTech, MTSU, and JMU,

Quote:Boise State, South Florida, SMU and Memphis were all on the radar for initial round of expansion for the Big 12 and continue to be on the radar for a second round of expansion.

https://sicem365.com/s/10775/hang-ups-in...-additions
Indeed with Temple reportedly looking, we would be there with the "new 6" and ECU and a whole bunch of travel.

I feel for LaTech, WKU, and MTSU. ODU is however, absolutely in the best possible place it can be. The SBC is stable and as regional as it is going to get for the foreseeable future.

(10-23-2021 10:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:18 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Imo I think ODU is the school who said they didn't want to get into debt to get into the AAC. I also think ODU made the right choice by going to the SB. The SB will be the best G5 football league in a few years.

Based on what evidence?

Well, the argument is that BIG12 or any other P5 conference will continue coming to AAC for top schools and taking them. What our SBC compadres are not realizing is that the same will happen to them, once they have a school that is seen as the top G5 school. So far, there is no such school in the SBC. But there may be such time. I do not know for sure it happens but the probability of that is greater than zero.

(10-23-2021 10:26 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:18 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Imo I think ODU is the school who said they didn't want to get into debt to get into the AAC. I also think ODU made the right choice by going to the SB. The SB will be the best G5 football league in a few years.

Based on what evidence?

The AAC lost their 3 best football teams. The SB didn't and will add four more quality football programs.

Money can't buy you wins. Sun Belt has strong traditional football programs. AAC added teams that might have potential or might not. You'll see on your own.

Meh. Marshall is good. I will give you that. Southern Miss hasn't been good in a while, and Old Dominion just started football recently. JMU is good at the FCS level, but you don't know if that is going to translate. UMass was good at the FCS level but stunk up the joint in the MAC so there is no guarantee that JMU is going to even be a bowl regular. They very well could be but they are unproven at the FBS level. It is a gamble.

As long as the American has Memphis, SMU, Temple, USF, and Navy in football it will be perceived as a better league than the Sun Belt.

(10-23-2021 11:22 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:26 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:18 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Imo I think ODU is the school who said they didn't want to get into debt to get into the AAC. I also think ODU made the right choice by going to the SB. The SB will be the best G5 football league in a few years.

Based on what evidence?

The AAC lost their 3 best football teams. The SB didn't and will add four more quality football programs.

Money can't buy you wins. Sun Belt has strong traditional football programs. AAC added teams that might have potential or might not. You'll see on your own.

Meh. Marshall is good. I will give you that. Southern Miss hasn't been good in a while, and Old Dominion just started football recently. JMU is good at the FCS level, but you don't know if that is going to translate. UMass was good at the FCS level but stunk up the joint in the MAC so there is no guarantee that JMU is going to even be a bowl regular. They very well could be but they are unproven at the FBS level. It is a gamble.

As long as the American has Memphis, SMU, Temple, USF, and Navy in football it will be perceived as a better league than the Sun Belt.

…as long as? Do you really think Memphis and SMU will be in the american beyond a few years? Damn you are naive. I have a bridge that is for sale. It’s an amazing deal. Interested?