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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
(11-04-2021 03:08 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 09:39 AM)Outsider Wrote:  I am not sure how much ACU is ready or wanting to jump to FBS. Our stadium is designed to expand the visitor's side if need be, but are the donors ready to step in for that and the other expenses? We are still trying to be competitive on the FCS level. With strict academic and social standards, many recruits already find it hard to commit to us. Would FBS make any difference? I am not so sure

You wouldn't be in the WAC if you weren't. AND you'd be playing Houston Baptist next week instead of getting whooped by Tarleton again in front of 15,000+ fans. Gotta spend money to make money. FBS CFP is how you do that, and 2026 is the last bus leaving town.

There may be more talks behind the scenes, but I really haven't heard any. We are getting a new AD, maybe that will be a turning point. We are also getting ready to elevate our tier in academic research, which may help translate to a higher level of football play. We still have the same recruiting obstacles whether or not we play HBU or SMU.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
You wouldn't be in the WAC if you weren't. AND you'd be playing Houston Baptist next week instead of getting whooped by Tarleton again in front of 15,000+ fans. Gotta spend money to make money. FBS CFP is how you do that, and 2026 is the last bus leaving town.
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Like how Tarleton drew 8,000 fans last weekend…
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
(11-04-2021 08:05 PM)WestTexas409 Wrote:  You wouldn't be in the WAC if you weren't. AND you'd be playing Houston Baptist next week instead of getting whooped by Tarleton again in front of 15,000+ fans. Gotta spend money to make money. FBS CFP is how you do that, and 2026 is the last bus leaving town.

Like how Tarleton drew 8,000 fans last weekend…
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And 9000 a week before while trying to set attendance records. They were nowhere near the 16,000 that was reported. Not even close.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
(11-04-2021 08:47 PM)RCI Wrote:  ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.

We beat y'all in football in 2013, we will beat y'all in basketball this season and many seasons to come. If NM didn't suck (or be backwards in education) we would probably beat you then. Obvious reaching trash talk aside I am one of the wary Aggie fans who think there might be a CUSA implosion like the old WAC. I'd rather us stick here and continue to dominate (in Basketball) than risk us having to come crawling back to the WAC when CUSA dies in a few years after we potentially join.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
I would prefer you stayed in the WAC. I have a lot of respect for NMSU's research and a bit of history related to it -- Los Alamos is pretty close by as is White Sands. You guys are a fine basketball school and I look forward to an even broader and stronger WAC in basketball. CUSA worries me because I think some others might be looking for ways out. But what do I know? Whatever you do, I wish you well. After all, my folks lived in Farmington and ranched there for a while!!! Nice neighbors.

If the WAC keeps its head screwed on right, things could look up in years to come. University education will be challenged for a while and in general the WAC schools are better off than many, but to a greater or lessor degree, navigating the next few years will be a bit tougher -- just guessing. But what's new about that?
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
(11-04-2021 09:00 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 08:47 PM)RCI Wrote:  ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.

We beat y'all in football in 2013, we will beat y'all in basketball this season and many seasons to come. If NM didn't suck (or be backwards in education) we would probably beat you then. Obvious reaching trash talk aside I am one of the wary Aggie fans who think there might be a CUSA implosion like the old WAC. I'd rather us stick here and continue to dominate (in Basketball) than risk us having to come crawling back to the WAC when CUSA dies in a few years after we potentially join.

I feel like I have a decent understanding of most of the older WAC schools strengths and weaknesses, plus their long term athletic goals. I don't feel like I know much about some of the CUSA schools at all. UTEP, La Tech, WKU, all a little more. The others, all a lot less. That makes me a little nervous.

Not sure exaxtly how sustainable the potential future CUSA setup is. Perhaps NMSU and UTEP being together finally, we could work together more if it fell apart. A lot of unknowns still. Not sure what to think about it all. Waiting for more info.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
(11-04-2021 09:00 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 08:47 PM)RCI Wrote:  ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.

We beat y'all in football in 2013, we will beat y'all in basketball this season and many seasons to come. If NM didn't suck (or be backwards in education) we would probably beat you then. Obvious reaching trash talk aside I am one of the wary Aggie fans who think there might be a CUSA implosion like the old WAC. I'd rather us stick here and continue to dominate (in Basketball) than risk us having to come crawling back to the WAC when CUSA dies in a few years after we potentially join.

I really don't believe people on here understand the television pay cuts that are coming for C-USA and diminished bowl tie ins. If they are banking on what is presently on the table they are going to be sorely disappointed.

None of the Texas schools in the WAC except Lamar can I see having any success in a National Conference on a shoestring budget. The only reason I mention Lamar is because I work in and around the Golden Triangle and there is a ton of wealth to support them if the right PR firm reaches the right people. Jefferson County is the most industrialized county in the US. Money is there just need to see who will back FBS.

In time Tarleton will be viable option but their time is not at the present.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
(11-04-2021 09:00 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 08:47 PM)RCI Wrote:  ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.

We beat y'all in football in 2013, we will beat y'all in basketball this season and many seasons to come. If NM didn't suck (or be backwards in education) we would probably beat you then. Obvious reaching trash talk aside I am one of the wary Aggie fans who think there might be a CUSA implosion like the old WAC. I'd rather us stick here and continue to dominate (in Basketball) than risk us having to come crawling back to the WAC when CUSA dies in a few years after we potentially join.

C-USA is losing 9/14 or 11/14 of their teams this year. But isn’t dying.
You think in a few years it’s going to be any different?

I think if anything, teams are desperate to move up before FBS breaks away.
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(11-04-2021 09:24 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 09:00 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 08:47 PM)RCI Wrote:  ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.

We beat y'all in football in 2013, we will beat y'all in basketball this season and many seasons to come. If NM didn't suck (or be backwards in education) we would probably beat you then. Obvious reaching trash talk aside I am one of the wary Aggie fans who think there might be a CUSA implosion like the old WAC. I'd rather us stick here and continue to dominate (in Basketball) than risk us having to come crawling back to the WAC when CUSA dies in a few years after we potentially join.

I feel like I have a decent understanding of most of the older WAC schools strengths and weaknesses, plus their long term athletic goals. I don't feel like I know much about some of the CUSA schools at all. UTEP, La Tech, WKU, all a little more. The others, all a lot less. That makes me a little nervous.

Not sure exaxtly how sustainable the potential future CUSA setup is. Perhaps NMSU and UTEP being together finally, we could work together more if it fell apart. A lot of unknowns still. Not sure what to think about it all. Waiting for more info.

I do hope your board has examined the pros and cons of a move to CUSA and makes an informed decision in NMSU’s best interest. I’d prefer you remain and help build a stronger WAC but quite honestly I can’t discount the fact that this may be your best shot at membership in an FBS conference.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
(11-05-2021 05:29 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 09:24 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 09:00 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 08:47 PM)RCI Wrote:  ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.

We beat y'all in football in 2013, we will beat y'all in basketball this season and many seasons to come. If NM didn't suck (or be backwards in education) we would probably beat you then. Obvious reaching trash talk aside I am one of the wary Aggie fans who think there might be a CUSA implosion like the old WAC. I'd rather us stick here and continue to dominate (in Basketball) than risk us having to come crawling back to the WAC when CUSA dies in a few years after we potentially join.

I feel like I have a decent understanding of most of the older WAC schools strengths and weaknesses, plus their long term athletic goals. I don't feel like I know much about some of the CUSA schools at all. UTEP, La Tech, WKU, all a little more. The others, all a lot less. That makes me a little nervous.

Not sure exaxtly how sustainable the potential future CUSA setup is. Perhaps NMSU and UTEP being together finally, we could work together more if it fell apart. A lot of unknowns still. Not sure what to think about it all. Waiting for more info.

I do hope your board has examined the pros and cons of a move to CUSA and makes an informed decision in NMSU’s best interest. I’d prefer you remain and help build a stronger WAC but quite honestly I can’t discount the fact that this may be your best shot at membership in an FBS conference.


I think its a no brainer for NMSU to join. IF I see that others are NOT committing whole hog my approach would be football only at this time. It makes no sense for me to hang myself out to dry. And for what a shell of the former conference.
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Pete says it's coming today.



Brett concurs

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(11-05-2021 11:35 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Pete says it's coming today.



Brett concurs


Cool. Wasn't sure if all four schools were going to be announced at the same time.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
Here’s a news nugget. Not sure what it means but certainly could impact the WAC in the short term. We will know more this week if that first domino occurs?

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(11-04-2021 09:43 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 09:00 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 08:47 PM)RCI Wrote:  ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.

We beat y'all in football in 2013, we will beat y'all in basketball this season and many seasons to come. If NM didn't suck (or be backwards in education) we would probably beat you then. Obvious reaching trash talk aside I am one of the wary Aggie fans who think there might be a CUSA implosion like the old WAC. I'd rather us stick here and continue to dominate (in Basketball) than risk us having to come crawling back to the WAC when CUSA dies in a few years after we potentially join.

C-USA is losing 9/14 or 11/14 of their teams this year. But isn’t dying.
You think in a few years it’s going to be any different?

I think if anything, teams are desperate to move up before FBS breaks away.

I think CUSA will thrive. It is gonna be a heck of a basketball conference. And Football should be good. It will only grow in the future, not implode. If we played football I would love to be in the conference
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(12-04-2021 11:14 PM)RT98 Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 09:43 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 09:00 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  
(11-04-2021 08:47 PM)RCI Wrote:  ACU is already the highest rated university in the WAC for undergraduate research and is rated among the best in the nation of all universities. It is the top rated university in Texas (of all universities in the state) for the most categories of student success. Now if our football team could just crack the top 25 in the FCS I would be happy, but we are not in the same league in football. Give us time, we hope to get better, still lots of work to do to get up to the rest of you guys' level.

We beat y'all in football in 2013, we will beat y'all in basketball this season and many seasons to come. If NM didn't suck (or be backwards in education) we would probably beat you then. Obvious reaching trash talk aside I am one of the wary Aggie fans who think there might be a CUSA implosion like the old WAC. I'd rather us stick here and continue to dominate (in Basketball) than risk us having to come crawling back to the WAC when CUSA dies in a few years after we potentially join.

C-USA is losing 9/14 or 11/14 of their teams this year. But isn’t dying.
You think in a few years it’s going to be any different?

I think if anything, teams are desperate to move up before FBS breaks away.

I think CUSA will thrive. It is gonna be a heck of a basketball conference. And Football should be good. It will only grow in the future, not implode. If we played football I would love to be in the conference

It will be primarily a basketball and Olympic sports conference, and football will be mostly an after thought, competitive level wise, but a good mix of teams and a competitive internal league race. Its a perfect place for NMSU to grow their football and thrive in many other sports. I'm excited.
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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
Latest tweet suggests it’s a work in progress. All four new schools to Sun Belt with JMU football being only one not part of equation but competing in other sports. Could this mean similar for NMSU and Sam? NMSU has a full football slate to remove itself from

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RE: Conference USA has reached out to Sam Houston as it attempts to survive
(12-06-2021 09:02 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Latest tweet suggests it’s a work in progress. All four new schools to Sun Belt with JMU football being only one not part of equation but competing in other sports. Could this mean similar for NMSU and Sam? NMSU has a full football slate to remove itself from


I guess all it takes is money, but I don’t see how NMSU could get out of next season’s schedule without some help. We would need to help find suitable opponents for everyone, which would be really difficult at this point in time.

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