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I hope CUSA is able to survive with mostly independents and maybe 1 or 2 call ups. NMSU and UMASS all sports would be wins. Not sure about the Liberty situation but they would be a great add. MO St and SFA would also be good if they want to go FBS.
10-26-2021 10:10 PM
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(10-26-2021 09:15 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Agree that there should not be anyone moving up, especially to save C-USA. But with that exit fee money sitting there, it will be hard to stop it. There should be about 110 FBS schools, not closer to 135-40, and all you have to do is look at the amount of subsidy used by the teams trying to pop hang on, or trying to move up, to see something unsustainable. The climate to ask students to pay for it is rapidly going the other direction.

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10-27-2021 07:31 AM
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(10-27-2021 07:31 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(10-26-2021 09:15 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Agree that there should not be anyone moving up, especially to save C-USA. But with that exit fee money sitting there, it will be hard to stop it. There should be about 110 FBS schools, not closer to 135-40, and all you have to do is look at the amount of subsidy used by the teams trying to pop hang on, or trying to move up, to see something unsustainable. The climate to ask students to pay for it is rapidly going the other direction.

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This. The P5 is trying to make the case that 135-140 number should be cut in half.
10-27-2021 07:33 AM
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(10-27-2021 07:33 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 07:31 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(10-26-2021 09:15 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Agree that there should not be anyone moving up, especially to save C-USA. But with that exit fee money sitting there, it will be hard to stop it. There should be about 110 FBS schools, not closer to 135-40, and all you have to do is look at the amount of subsidy used by the teams trying to pop hang on, or trying to move up, to see something unsustainable. The climate to ask students to pay for it is rapidly going the other direction.

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This. The P5 is trying to make the case that 135-140 number should be cut in half.
I think there's around 130 FBS schools currently. Will there be strict NCAA guidance as to how a school can move up and will there be mechanisms put in place to ensure some schools have to move down if they don't meet some type of arbitrary criteria?
10-27-2021 08:41 AM
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(10-27-2021 07:31 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  The climate to ask students to pay for it is rapidly going the other direction.

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If UAB can't sustain itself on revenues generated by the program (including donations) and if UAB can't make the case to students that the fees they pay are worth it, then we don't deserve to have it. I am 1000% of the opinion that the program was sustainable when it was shut down, and I believe it is sustainable right now, but if that changes then it changes

(10-27-2021 07:33 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  This. The P5 is trying to make the case that 135-140 number should be cut in half.

That may be the case, and that may be too drastic a cut, but it doesn't change the fact that we absolutely don't need *new* FBS schools
10-27-2021 09:53 AM
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(10-27-2021 09:53 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 07:31 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  The climate to ask students to pay for it is rapidly going the other direction.

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If UAB can't sustain itself on revenues generated by the program (including donations) and if UAB can't make the case to students that the fees they pay are worth it, then we don't deserve to have it. I am 1000% of the opinion that the program was sustainable when it was shut down, and I believe it is sustainable right now, but if that changes then it changes

(10-27-2021 07:33 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  This. The P5 is trying to make the case that 135-140 number should be cut in half.

That may be the case, and that may be too drastic a cut, but it doesn't change the fact that we absolutely don't need *new* FBS schools
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They didn’t need “new” 1-A schools when UAB started football. If a school can afford it than they should be allowed to have it
10-27-2021 09:58 AM
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(10-22-2021 02:11 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...dang, y'all, this is sad from the CUSA board:

LaTech fan - "I feel like someone just executed my dog right in front of me. I mean that figuratively but that’s kinda what literally just happened."

...as much as I love to hate LaTech, I wouldn't wish being 'stranded' on ANY program... if anything, it's more fun to 03-nutkick them when they are riding high, or at least stable... ...but they burned WAY too many bridges with the Belt, it appears...

They burned too many bridges with the human race in general.
10-27-2021 12:13 PM
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10-27-2021 01:15 PM
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(10-27-2021 09:58 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 09:53 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 07:31 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  The climate to ask students to pay for it is rapidly going the other direction.

Careful of what you wish for lest you be included

If UAB can't sustain itself on revenues generated by the program (including donations) and if UAB can't make the case to students that the fees they pay are worth it, then we don't deserve to have it. I am 1000% of the opinion that the program was sustainable when it was shut down, and I believe it is sustainable right now, but if that changes then it changes

(10-27-2021 07:33 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  This. The P5 is trying to make the case that 135-140 number should be cut in half.

That may be the case, and that may be too drastic a cut, but it doesn't change the fact that we absolutely don't need *new* FBS schools

They didn’t need “new” 1-A schools when UAB started football. If a school can afford it than they should be allowed to have it
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Yeah I don't get the argument about not needing new FBS schools when many folks in this state didn't want UAB to have a Div I program. The NCAA doesn't need to prohibit FCS programs that have the ability to move up in status.
10-27-2021 01:17 PM
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(10-27-2021 01:17 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 09:58 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 09:53 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 07:31 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  The climate to ask students to pay for it is rapidly going the other direction.

Careful of what you wish for lest you be included

If UAB can't sustain itself on revenues generated by the program (including donations) and if UAB can't make the case to students that the fees they pay are worth it, then we don't deserve to have it. I am 1000% of the opinion that the program was sustainable when it was shut down, and I believe it is sustainable right now, but if that changes then it changes

(10-27-2021 07:33 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  This. The P5 is trying to make the case that 135-140 number should be cut in half.

That may be the case, and that may be too drastic a cut, but it doesn't change the fact that we absolutely don't need *new* FBS schools

They didn’t need “new” 1-A schools when UAB started football. If a school can afford it than they should be allowed to have it

Yeah I don't get the argument about not needing new FBS schools when many folks in this state didn't want UAB to have a Div I program. The NCAA doesn't need to prohibit FCS programs that have the ability to move up in status.
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The NCAA can't "prohibit" anyone. What can be done is that membership can change the criteria for qualifying to be a member of Division I FBS. This has been done before, although moreso to curtail call-ups than to demote existing members where the criteria became squishy in terms of enforcement (attendance, for example).

There is an NCAA constitutional special convention next month. FBS criteria is one of the potential topics addressed at a very challenging time for college athletics.

This wouldn't be the first rush of teams trying to squeeze into the highest division at the horn, so to speak. It happened in the mid-1990s after the NCAA board of governors changed voting criteria to favor the FBS conferences. UAB was among that group (along with UCF, Boise State, Louisiana-Monroe, Idaho and others. It happened again after the Big East realignment, which resulted in the Sun Belt reloading with a bunch of FCS schools, many of whom are now excelling.

The difference today is that the money gap is exponentially wider than earlier times, and the climate for paying for a move is not very good. Putting the cost onto students through fees is not particularly sustainable. It's like putting all your monthly required living expenses on a credit card. We have also reached a point where it is in the economic interest of almost everyone else not to bail out the bad decisions of a handful of schools by fostering bad decisions by more who can't really afford it, either. I actually think some of those schools will look at it and agree that they can't afford it.
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(10-27-2021 01:17 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Yeah I don't get the argument about not needing new FBS schools when many folks in this state didn't want UAB to have a Div I program. The NCAA doesn't need to prohibit FCS programs that have the ability to move up in status.

I don't think anyone has the ability to move up in status in a sustainable way. ESPN money is evaporating and student fees are about to start. I am actually concerned about the financial future of UAB athletics in 10 years. It's been slower than the housing crash of 2008, but we're definitely in peak Higher Ed and when it crashes it's not going to be fun
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